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General Discussion / Re: Dyatlov Mutiny Cover Up
« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on June 23, 2025, 01:02:15 PM »



I tried adding this with the original post after the final statement for effect, but it didn't want to work so I renamed it. I think you and I are basically on the same page.
 
I tend to think the injuries were caused by Igor using explosives, which geologists were known to carry. It would also explain the burning on the tops of the trees.
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General Discussion / Re: Dyatlov Mutiny Cover Up
« Last post by eurocentric on June 23, 2025, 12:02:50 PM »
I generally agree, but not that Igor cut the tent, I think the mutineers did so when their only exit was blocked, and that precipitated the later abandonment of the tent by the remaining five. Alternatively had their been a fight inside the tent, and a knife was brandished, then the tent could suffer similar damage.

Igor likely took a risk, hoping to shave hours off the next day's early start to Otorten, making it possible to complete the route and back to the well-stocked cache in the same day, but an older and more experienced outdoorsman, due to his war years, and a general feeling among a total of half of Igor's crew that this was an unnecessary risk as the weather might change, challenged this decision, at the moment of highest stress and exhaustion and when they discovered how bad it was up there.

The discovery of 4 badly injured bodies in a ravine a few metres away from a snow den with 4 seats must have made it obvious to the search team what had likely taken place, especially when autopsies found no corresponding attempts of the victims to break their fall, meaning they were unconscious before they ended up in that ravine, and while finding the remaining bodies after many months meant everything was complete they immediately closed the case, sealing it with a cryptic reference to an unknown compelling force, when ironically the survival instinct provides the complusion to do anything if your group is vied against another, and is not unknown.

Internecine warfare and a battle for a sole survivor resource in lethal conditions as a hypothermic clock ticked down at night is the theory which ticks the most boxes, and it also satisfies Occams Razor. But everyone prefers to believe they all died as one happy group, stricken by an outside force and so all of these theories hit more hurdles than they clear.

Ivanov created a smokescreen about UFOs and formally the mystery was sealed as an unknown in order to protect the propaganda of the time, the very idea that Russians had killed Russians, even if only to survive when pitched against each other, and this included  university students, so it was something a Communist system would wish to stage manage. And maybe also, in terms of some compassion, and because all had died, they wished to spare the families and university friends the unpalatable truth.
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General Discussion / Dyatlov Mutiny Cover Up
« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on June 23, 2025, 10:37:23 AM »
I've been carefully considering the Dyatlov Pass Incident, specifically focusing on why a cover‑up would have been critical in the context of Soviet society at the height of the Cold War. One theory that continues to resonate with me involves a mutiny among the group—internal conflict leading to drastic actions that were subsequently obscured from public knowledge.

Igor Dyatlov was known for his strong leadership and his determination to push boundaries, even beyond what was strictly necessary. Given this was already classified as a Grade 3 hike without the added challenge of camping exposed on the mountainside, Dyatlov's insistence on choosing such a vulnerable campsite likely stirred disagreement among the group. It's quite plausible that Semyon Zolotaryov, being older and significantly more experienced, recommended setting up camp in the relative safety of the nearby forest, a suggestion that may have found support among several others.

This divergence in opinions probably undermined Dyatlov’s authority, creating palpable tension. It’s easy to envision a heated dispute in which Dyatlov, asserting his authority—and perhaps his pride—took drastic measures such as cutting open the tent from the inside as a defiant gesture, effectively saying: “If you don’t like my decisions, then leave my tent.”

A Snow‑Slab Catalyst?

Importantly, a snow‑slab event could have triggered the immediate evacuation. A slab sliding onto the tent might have convinced everyone they were in mortal danger, but the after‑shock could just as easily have devolved into finger‑pointing and “I told you so” recriminations—further fueling the mutiny narrative. In other words, natural hazard and human conflict are not mutually exclusive; they can intertwine with disastrous results.

Investigator Ivanov & the Need for Silence

Investigator Lev Ivanov, in his initial approach, seemed genuinely committed to uncovering the truth, yet his investigation was soon curtailed—likely once he realized the political hazard of revealing internal discord among idealistic Soviet citizens. During this era the USSR projected carefully curated images of unity, strength, and ideological purity. Admitting that comrades turned on each other would have been devastating to that facade.

Historical context reinforces the motive for silence: the Soviet government was famously secretive and fiercely protective of its image. From the suppression of dissent after Stalin’s death to the glossing over of the Hungarian Revolution (1956), inconvenient truths were routinely buried so that no cracks appeared in the ideological armor.

Outlandish Theories as Possible Red Herrings

Some point to more exotic explanations—Yetis, UFOs, secret weapons tests, KGB hit squads—but these ideas are likely red herrings (pun intended) that distract from the far more plausible mix of bad judgment, extreme conditions, and clashing egos. Conspiracy‑colored folklore makes for compelling campfire stories, but it may also serve the same purpose a cover‑up would: to steer attention away from the very human failings at the heart of the tragedy.

Why a Cover‑Up Was Essential

Given this backdrop, a cover‑up designed to shield the Soviet public—and the world—from a narrative of comrades turning violently on each other makes considerable sense. Such an admission would have struck at the heart of Soviet propaganda, especially at the most precarious juncture of the Cold War. It explains why Ivanov was pressured into premature conclusions, why certain files were sealed, and why, even today, central questions remain officially unanswered.

Visualize the symbolism: the Soviet flag, once unblemished and whole, now bears a stark crack down the middle—internal divisions the authorities could never allow to reach daylight.

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General Discussion / Re: Solved yet again - tent cut from inside.
« Last post by SURI on June 23, 2025, 04:19:08 AM »
I believe Zolotaryov's camera during the incident, but I also believe Krivonischenko's last photo. And if I put all these things together, a picture emerges of the whole event that is completely different from just an avalanche.
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General Discussion / Re: Solved yet again - tent cut from inside.
« Last post by SURI on June 23, 2025, 02:14:15 AM »
Some believe it's a camera, others think it's just a case. For example, Valentin Yakimenko has no doubts that Zolotaryov had a camera and was taking pictures with it on that fateful night. I agree with his opinion about the camera.

If Zolotaryov had only a case without a camera, it would have been mentioned even during the autopsy, because it would have remained on his body like a compass or like two watches at Tibo's.

But since the case was not recorded at all during the autopsy, even though it is visible in the photo, it is more than likely that the case also contained a camera, which of course was immediately confiscated and thus did not make it to the morgue, because they were eager to know what it contained.

Also, partially damaged negatives indicate that the camera was in the water with the bodies.
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General Discussion / Re: Solved yet again - tent cut from inside.
« Last post by Ziljoe on June 22, 2025, 02:15:41 PM »
https://dyatlovpass.com/camera-zolotaryov

Thank Suri.

I have read this article but it's just speculation as far as I understand, from a lone author . I don't think there any statements about zolotaryov being found with a camera . ( Obviously this doesn't mean he wasn't) .

I only ask because I know of the rumour that he had a camera, but I think it's just speculation because of the photo which looks like a camera case.

The figure has evidently been removed from the ravine and there were many people who witnessed the bodies being taken out of the ravine but I don't think anyone reported this , not so insignificant evidence. ?
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General Discussion / Re: Solved yet again - tent cut from inside.
« Last post by Ziljoe on June 22, 2025, 03:45:17 AM »
That's right, they didn't expect to be away from the tent for long. They found this out only on the slope.

And if I go even further, Zolotaryov could not have been among the first to be injured if he was taking photos in the forest and actually the whole way. He knew exactly what he needed the camera for. And the argument that he didn't have a camera, but only a case, is nonsense. Even the partially damaged negatives suggest something else, that the camera was in the water with the bodies and did not make it to the morgue just because they were eager to know what it contained.

Thank Suri, could you post the link to where zolotaryov had a camera around his neck in the case files?
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General Discussion / Re: Solved yet again - tent cut from inside.
« Last post by SURI on June 22, 2025, 12:13:21 AM »
That's right, they didn't expect to be away from the tent for long. They found this out only on the slope.

And if I go even further, Zolotaryov could not have been among the first to be injured if he was taking photos in the forest and actually the whole way. He knew exactly what he needed the camera for. And the argument that he didn't have a camera, but only a case, is nonsense. Even the partially damaged negatives suggest something else, that the camera was in the water with the bodies and did not make it to the morgue just because they were eager to know what it contained.
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General Discussion / Re: Solved yet again - tent cut from inside.
« Last post by GlennM on June 21, 2025, 12:42:15 PM »
I support the idea that a sudden snow slide,was motivation for the leaving of the tent. I account for the different levels of undress as signifying that the group did not expect to be away from the tent for long. This means they would return when it was reasonable that there would be no further calamity.. i can support the arguement that in the dark there was slip fall injuries over icy rocks. If that was the case,  then it would be logical and practical to move the injured downhill and to the shelter of a tree or ravine. It would be much harder to go back uphill if carrying injured and facing a headnwind. I would opt for the ravine first because the windbreak would be more immediate. Then, foraging for wood could commence. It would not be particularly disloyal to have a fire at the cedar while those in the ravine had none. If warming up helped dry wet clothes and warmed numbed hands, why not?

I think that Igor's attempt to regain the tent for supplies was logical and heroic, but they all died miserably in the cold, as their coprses attest.

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