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General Discussion / Re: Back to the Rav4
« Last post by lucid-nonsense on Today at 05:01:55 PM »

Well, probably no convincing you. For what it's worth, here are a few videos of skateboarders falling less than a meter and breaking ribs.

When you post a vid of a skateboarder getting a deformed head i'll take notice.

A guy I know got a severe skull fracture just from falling his own height on smooth concrete. He had a epilepsy attack and collapsed and hit his head. He actually had brain damage and had trouble with his speech for a while. That's a 0 meter fall. A 3 meter fall can easily lead to a smashed skull.
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Materials Modern / Re: New Press Conference
« Last post by Marchesk on Today at 03:54:02 PM »
This is BS. That slope isn't avalanche prone according to everything I've read and heard about the case. They wouldn't run downhill from an oncoming avalanche, and the footprints indicated they walked. If all nine of them decided to stop at the cedar tree to make a fire, how come it was so small and was allowed to burn out? Did they really sit around and wait for the two Yuris to freeze to death before going back uphill with some of their clothing? Why would three of them decide to return to their tent after going all the way downslope instead of five minutes after the avalanche? Why did the tent show only vertical collapse, not horizontal? And where did such precise weather readings mentioned in the article come from?

I don't buy this theory. I also don't believe a 3 meter fall from a snow den collapse causes all the injuries found on the Rav 4. The original investigation dismissed the avalanche theory right away. It was clear the tent had not been covered by an avalanche, because there was no indication it had been moved horizontally downslope, and that slope isn't avalanche prone.

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General Discussion / Re: Get angry with me...
« Last post by Jean Daniel Reuss on Today at 03:10:12 PM »

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Certainly there was a massacre of a terrorist nature, that is to say, an act of war to counter Russia, which was at the same time communist, Soviet, imperialist and totalitarian.

See:
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=464.msg9152#msg9152
    Materials of 1959 ---> Maslennikov notebooks
May 22, 2020, 10:04:55 AM: Reply #4
Evgeniy Polikarpovich Maslennikov (1924-1978) makes a very unclear reference to an attack by armed men who could be citizens of a Caucasian country.


See:
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?action=profile;u=325;area=showposts;start=150
Since March 12, 2018, Per Inge Oestmoen has sent 180 posts, almost all of which describe the actions of professional killers for which he does not specify the motives.
 

See :
https://dyatlovpass.com/theories?flp=1#fight
Eduard Tumanov, is pushing a theory that hikers took part in a fight, either between them (which was my hypothesis N°1, now abandoned) - or with outsiders (my hypothesis N°2).

See :
http://mystery12home.ru/t-ub-gr-dyatlova
There is here a detailed reenactment of the massacre by Aleks Kandr, which supposes that a commander, in the Vizhay region, hired three professional mercenary killers - presumably known criminals - thus ex-zeks freed, from 1953, by the decisions of Nikita Krushchev.
   (But Aleks Kandr writes in Russian and I have great difficulty in translating and understanding him correctly.)


See :
   https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=408.msg9561#msg9561   
    Altercation on the pass --> Krivonischenko biting his hand
June 11, 2020, 02:53:29     :  Reply #4

Attackers = political enemies  = ex-zeks = free men = (NOT prisoners) =  terrorists = inhabitants of the Vizhay region (maybe settlement 41) = internal combatants in an ongoing patriotic war = unknown nationality (Chechens, Poles...).

In 1959 there remained in the vicinity of Vizhay a small proportion of ex-zeks or former political prisoners who had many good reasons to hate the Soviet regime and who were ready to continue their patriotic struggle.

It is difficult to know if these were: Chechens, Ingush, Crimean Tatars, Poles, Czechoslovakians, Hungarians, Romanians, Moldovans, Ukrainians, Koreans, Germans, Bulgarians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians... or from other countries.


See the beginning of my hypothesis N°2 :
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=411.0
Posts since March 24, 2020, 04:07:07 PM    : since Reply #18
    Altercation on the pass  --->  Altercation on the pass


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There will be many points to examine and discuss in detail. Here are a few examples

They were in such a panic...

The hikers were not panicked, but they were suffocating and coughing because of the Improvised Suffocaging Device which in a few tens of seconds had made the atmosphere inside the tent completely unbreathable by probably releasing SO².

they cut holes in the side of the tent...

It was not the hikers who cut down the tent. It was the attackers who, after defeating the hikers with difficulty, rested inside the tent, which was then intact. Then, before leaving definitely, probably for Vizhay, the attackers negligently damaged the tent in a gesture of victory and contempt.


THEY WALKED down to the valley...

Kolmogorova and Slobodin never reached the cedar tree, they were already lying stunned on the slope and would soon freeze to death.


The attackers came back and took out the two at the cedar tree. Still alive, but beaten so bad, they will die. Same with the four at the den. They caught up with them and did the same.

Yes !


The last three, they were trying to get back to the tent ...

No ! Kolmogorova, Slobodin and Dyatlov were long since out of action, motionless and lying in the snow.
Moreover, before the moon rose, darkness was complete and it would have been almost impossible to find the tent.
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General Discussion / Re: Get angry with me...
« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 12:20:20 PM »
Problem is with any of the attack theories is the actual injuries that we know were found on the bodies during the Autopsies. And apart from the very serious and unusual injuries to bodies at the Ravine many of the bodies did not show signs of any serious beatings. We should expect to see a fair bit of damage on all of the bodies if such fighting took place.
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General Discussion / Re: Back to the Rav4
« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 12:07:46 PM »
Yes its possible to break bones by short falls. But that may not explain how 2 of the Dyatlov Group got their very severe and unusual injuries that almost certainly resulted in their deaths. As Nigel says re the Skull injury.
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General Discussion / Re: Get angry with me...
« Last post by Star man on Today at 12:00:29 PM »
Bring attacked is a well established theory.

Sometimes tin foil hat theories are tomorrows science.

Regards

Star man
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General Discussion / Re: Vote in Facebook
« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 11:54:51 AM »
The only Investigation I have come across that comes anywhere near a proper Investigation is what gets said in the Dyatlov Pass Forum. So I gave a thumbs down.
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General Discussion / Re: Lev was correct, The tent is the answer.
« Last post by sarapuk on Today at 11:43:47 AM »
Um... NOPE...

New here but I have to differ with you, in the highest regards...

I agree the TENT is where it all started, but it did not become the ending. If there were "high winds" then the tent would have been toppled and the guide posts would have as well. As the photos prove, both posts are STILL there and pointing straight to the sky. Sure, the middle was a bit caved in because of snow, but then again, this tent was actually TWO tents sewn together, and no center post to keep it up. As for the front of door of the tent, which there was only ONE door, (the other end closed off) Are you suggesting these EXPERIENCED hikers and skiers have no idea what they are doing?

I do think that sure, a back door is important, but that is not how it was designed (two tents sewn together).

Then again, maybe there was a back door, we have no idea.

What we do KNOW is that if the front door was indeed blocked by snow why were two people hanging out OUTSIDE of the tent apparently unable to get back in?

Don't you think they would have said something?

The only way out was through the sides if the door was blocked. Cut themselves out. Apparently it was an emergency situation and time is of the
essence. No two ways about that.

If it were an AVALANCHE as a theory proposes, they would have ran like crazy, but footprints tell a different story, even a month old. They WALKED down to the valley below... WALKED.

Had the tent been blown apart, as you suggest, why was the tent STILL intact except for the escape doors made by the occupants? You saw the pics, it was STILL there.

They HAD to leave. they were FORCED to leave for a reason. They would have stuck by the tent and saved it instead of walking a mile, IN THE SNOW in -20 degree weather, with hardly any clothes and start a fire under a cedar tree.

Now you may believe that they left the tent under those circumstances but it is very doubtful.

I appreciate your post and I am sorry if I may have offended you. Take gentle care my friend.

Very well put. Good to see a lot of thought being put into a Topic.
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General Discussion / Re: Get angry with me...
« Last post by Nigel Evans on Today at 09:55:46 AM »
"How do we know they didn't run down there?"Because it was night and the ground had hard sharp rocks hidden by cold slippery snow and ice?

How fast would you run?
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General Discussion / Re: Back to the Rav4
« Last post by Nigel Evans on Today at 09:52:45 AM »

Well, probably no convincing you. For what it's worth, here are a few videos of skateboarders falling less than a meter and breaking ribs.

When you post a vid of a skateboarder getting a deformed head i'll take notice.
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