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General Discussion / Re: A quick take on Yuri Yuden's interview

« Last post by Hunter on Today at 12:06:46 PM »

Regarding the foot wraps, they've been discussed at length on other forums. Some speculate that they weren't actually foot wraps, but rather homemade waist warmers—their length supports this. Another possibility is that the foot wraps belonged to one of the hikers and were homemade. Zolotarev, for example, may have had them. Yudin, however, didn't see them because he left the group before they actually reached the uninhabited areas.

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 10:16:28 AM »

Yes, but I'm not addressing the livor mortis question here. I'm talking about her position.

I think there are many things about Lyuda that suggest she is the key to the answer of this mystery.

The back‑pressure model isn’t speculation — it’s exactly what blunt chest compression does. The autopsy shows internal cardiac hemorrhage, not a penetrating injury. If a rib had pierced the heart, the report would describe a perforation or rupture of the myocardium, but it doesn’t. The foam deep in the lungs proves she was alive under sustained compression, which is consistent with hydraulic back‑pressure and capillary rupture, not instant death from a stab‑type injury. It leans towards traumatic asphyxiation. It's why I'm pointing at the autopsies, the mass of snow and the hard ground surface. The autopsies match the post injury environment.

It's difficult for me to understand the medical terminology but the autopsies don't imply anything else outside of what we find in the ravine. ?

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by GlennM on Today at 07:47:34 AM »

I have previously thought Lyuda may have slid down or been helped up to her final pose. Her position suggests that she was exhausted. Was it more comfortable to lie like this, head up as opposed to laying on the branch mat and stretching out?  I think sleep either way is a death sentence, so kneeling would be preferable to lying. No doubt  her previous  exertions starting with the march to the Feb 1 camp, making camp, retreating from it and all the activity in the woods were exhausting. The effort and crippling cold sapped her strength. I can not rule out shock if she witnessed the demise of the Yuris.

A snow cave collapse explains much, simply and efficiently.  Alternately, if what happened to the Yuris also affected Lyuda at the same time and place could it be that she was injured at the cedar and moved to the ravine?  In this case, she was sheltered from wind, elevated, made comfortable and nursed until she expired.  Unlike the guys, she was not undressed, but perhaps packed in snow right and left in order to preserve her dignity. Later the weather covered her over. On the other hand if she was caught in a cornice collapse, she would be buried. Salvaging her garments  may not have been possible.

I think about an imaginary hiker being found iburied jn snow. If an investigation tries to uncover the cause of death based on the final pose and the fact that others dug down to find him, it completely ignores the the dynamics of the avalanche that put him there if those traces were smoothed out over time. The cause of death may be more readily determined than the circumstance of death.

It would seem that Lyura was crushed, in place, at the mouth of a tunnel leading to a branch mat in a deep ravine. She could have been moved.

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by amashilu on Today at 03:43:05 AM »

Lynda is in the ravine and suffers from the same crush injuries that the autopsy implies , I would not say we have to say the scenario can not work because of the way she is lying . It may just not be obvious. The scenario is still plausible.

It is assumed by some that the bodies were moved because of the blood pooling not reflecting the lay of the bodies. However , all is not straight forward in the chemical process of how the blood pooling occurs.

When the Dyatlov hikers died, the temperatures were far below freezing. Their bodies probably froze before rigor mortis and livor mortis (blood pooling) could fully develop. Freezing interrupts both processes — it stops the chemical rigor cascade and prevents normal blood settling.

Weeks later, when the bodies were recovered, they were still frozen. To perform an autopsy and remove clothing, the mortuary staff had to thaw the bodies to some degree.  You cannot autopsy a rock‑hard frozen corpse.

What likely occurred is thawing allowed delayed rigor mortis to activate and allowed some blood to become fluid again, producing partial, patchy, inconsistent hypostasis. This is exactly what forensic pathology expects in previously frozen bodies: lividity becomes faint, unreliable, and easily misinterpreted.

The autopsy doctors did not report any contradiction between lividity and posture. They saw normal cold‑weather hypostasis. The “blood pooling problem”

 In normal conditions, livor mortis begins first and rigor mortis begins later. But in Dyatlov, both processes were interrupted by freezing. The bodies froze before lividity or rigor could develop. When thawed for autopsy, the blood became liquid again and pooled according to the table position, and rigor mortis finally activated and resolved.

Yes, but I'm not addressing the livor mortis question here. I'm talking about her position.

I think there are many things about Lyuda that suggest she is the key to the answer of this mystery.

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by amashilu on Today at 03:38:31 AM »

Amashilu, thag is exactly what I think. She was in respiratory distress and she was helped up on the ledge and made comfortable. My guess is the water was not flowing nore than a trickle, if that. In my imagining IRZ propped her up before they left for the tent.

Do you support the snow collapse theory then? I am trying to put all these pieces together. Let's say you are right, the other hikers found Lyuda in the ravine in respiratory distress (from what cause?) and they repositioned her. She died only 10+/- minutes later in this position. The autopsy shows that she died from one of the broken ribs piercing her heart. Then later, the snow collapse happened, compressing and crushing her ribs? But she was already dead, right? and her ribs were already broken.

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General Discussion / Re: A quick take on Yuri Yuden's interview

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on Today at 01:40:03 AM »

Yuri Yudin had left the team a few days before the incident occurred. He could not know anything valuable about DPI and how it was investigated.

I think it makes sense to clarify a little bit what was behind the investigation that was run by Tempalov and Ivanov in 1959. And here it is very important to understand that neither Tempalov nor Ivanov had ever been leading investigators (owners) of the case.

The only case related to DPI was initiated by the special prosecutor’s office responsible for overseeing the facility that conducted some technology tests, and then transferred to the Prosecutor’s Office of the USSR. The basis for initiating the case was an accident that occurred during the tests. The case was against designers or production personnel, who were to be held accountable for the accident. The deceased tourists had nothing to do with the case at the beginning. Perhaps, if it weren’t for the technology accident, no case would have been initiated at all. And when it turned out that the failed test also resulted in the deaths of 9 civilians, this episode had to be included in the charges against the individuals involved in the case. That is why the Prosecutor’s Office of the USSR tasked the Prosecutor’s Office of the Sverdlovsk Region with gathering materials on this episode.

And then everything went in full compliance with the requirements of the Criminal Procedure Code of the RSFSR, except for the fact that the case being investigated was classified as secret. Therefore, not all those who carried out investigative assignments for the USSR Prosecutor’s Office knew who they were working for or what case was being investigated. And measures were taken to conceal the purpose and direction of the investigation.

What had evidentiary value for the case was sent to Moscow. But in such complex case, a lot of unnecessary junk documents inevitably had to appear — junk that could not be allowed to clutter the case being investigated by the USSR Prosecutor’s Office. Therefore, such junk had to be cut off and left in Sverdlovsk. The only possible and reasonable way to do this was to create a separate case files for it. That’s where the useless paper waste was dumped. The Moscow investigation group, apparently, requested these case files, taking from them whatever might be useful for their real case files. After that, Moscow returned all the scraps to Sverdlovsk to be deposited in the archive of the Sverdlovsk Regional Prosecutor’s Office, Moscow had no use for that junk.

The case that the USSR Prosecutor’s Office had investigated was either terminated or sent to one of the special courts and ended with a court verdict. In the first case, it is stored in the closed archive of the USSR Prosecutor’s Office; in the second case, in the archive of one of the former special courts.

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 12:12:33 AM »

Even if someone believes that nearly every detail fits with a snow collapse at the ravine, if one detail is as impossible as Lyuda being crushed and killed by heavy snow without falling off her knees or bringing her arms down, then the scenario cannot work. We must find a different scenario, maybe including a snow collapse, but Lyuda isn't affected by it? How might that happen? It has been noted that several of the bodies, for example Igor, Yuri K, Yuri D, and Lyuda, show signs of having been moved after death. So now there is a snow collapse, but Lyuda was somewhere else when she died and someone moved her. We should try to explain that and see where we get.

Lynda is in the ravine and suffers from the same crush injuries that the autopsy implies , I would not say we have to say the scenario can not work because of the way she is lying . It may just not be obvious. The scenario is still plausible.

It is assumed by some that the bodies were moved because of the blood pooling not reflecting the lay of the bodies. However , all is not straight forward in the chemical process of how the blood pooling occurs.

When the Dyatlov hikers died, the temperatures were far below freezing. Their bodies probably froze before rigor mortis and livor mortis (blood pooling) could fully develop. Freezing interrupts both processes — it stops the chemical rigor cascade and prevents normal blood settling.

Weeks later, when the bodies were recovered, they were still frozen. To perform an autopsy and remove clothing, the mortuary staff had to thaw the bodies to some degree.  You cannot autopsy a rock‑hard frozen corpse.

What likely occurred is thawing allowed delayed rigor mortis to activate and allowed some blood to become fluid again, producing partial, patchy, inconsistent hypostasis. This is exactly what forensic pathology expects in previously frozen bodies: lividity becomes faint, unreliable, and easily misinterpreted.

The autopsy doctors did not report any contradiction between lividity and posture. They saw normal cold‑weather hypostasis. The “blood pooling problem”

 In normal conditions, livor mortis begins first and rigor mortis begins later. But in Dyatlov, both processes were interrupted by freezing. The bodies froze before lividity or rigor could develop. When thawed for autopsy, the blood became liquid again and pooled according to the table position, and rigor mortis finally activated and resolved.

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General Discussion / Re: A quick take on Yuri Yuden's interview

« Last post by GlennM on September 12, 2026, 03:18:17 PM »

 We remember that Yuri Yuden did not have first hand information at the time. His interview responses make it clear that he has been influenced by others. He also comes across as cranky. I put that down to a life of suffering.

The Feb 6th report date might mean someone knew that they died on the 1st or 2nd, after accomplishing all the activities at the cedar, the ravine and IRZ attempting the tent, a considerable distance away.

Conspirators would have to know their whereabouts from an aerial view by military plane or helicopter, I suppose. There were no additional boot prints on the ground along the hikers trail to the woods from the tent. The interlopers would have had to do their conspiratorial activities, sweep up after themselves before an official search was brought in. High among the tasks is splitting their time between dispatching and obfuscating the DP9 while removing all the rocket debris and chemical contamination. There could have been Mansi hunters who would be aware of something going on up on the ridge. That would have to be kept quiet. And then there is the logistics of troop movement in and out of the area to clean up the rocket debris, and do the other things.

I really wonder about the necessity of picking up crashed rocket parts. Deep in the Urals is no place for Western scavengers. For me, the only real justification for the time, effort and expense of Soviet recovery is if the payload was something of great value. If it was, then by all means you do not go around killing people, which only makes the issue bigger and risks investigators finding your crashed missile site, if not the payload. I can imagine a comment in the forum claiming that the radioactive contamination in clothing was because hikers went snooping and got too close to something they shouldn't be around. It would explain why a Geiger counter of all things was delivered to the recovery area.

All in all, a simple typo explains a lot more economically. I could be wrong, but...

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by GlennM on September 12, 2026, 03:04:10 PM »

Amashilu, thag is exactly what I think. She was in respiratory distress and she was helped up on the ledge and made comfortable. My guess is the water was not flowing nore than a trickle, if that. In my imagining IRZ propped her up before they left for the tent.

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by Ziljoe on September 12, 2026, 01:01:41 PM »

No, I’m not suggesting anyone arranged her body. I’m saying her final position isn’t automatically the position she died in, although there are physical explanations for how it could have changed. 

Snowpack mechanics can shift limbs after death: settling, melt‑movement, partial burial, and the excavation process all alter arm, leg, and torso orientation. It’s also possible the surviving hikers at the ravine tried to dig her out before they succumbed, or realised it was futile to reach the others. Any of that would disturb limb position without any intention to “pose” her. 

Between deep unstable snow, later melt, and the digging required to reach her, those processes could easily cause changes. For example, I doubt the rock she is leaning on was bare at the time — there may have been snow beneath her that later thawed and was carried away by meltwater, leaving her in a different final posture than the one she died in.