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I can’t say I have read this book or intend to.  The traumas are clearly not from hand to hand combat. The force required is too great. The overall pattern of events does not fit human interaction IMO.

Regards
Star man

Well said.
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"state order for liquidation" speaks for itself.

I agree with this author. Has WAB actually red this book? ! taught Karate for 40 years and nearly all of the students injuries are close-Combat injuries by rifle/machine-pistol and pistol butts  I intend to order this book and decide for myself


As a former jiu jitsu practitioner, (though my rank is a 'mere' yellow belt) I can absolutely confirm that the injuries of the nine students as described in the medical reports are consistent with what can be expected in a human attack by trained killers skilled in close combat techniques. Moreover, two of the killed had injuries with shapes strongly suggested that they were made by a rifle butt.

There is no possibility that the Dyatlov group died as a result of natural forces. Far-fetched theories about Yeti attacks, wolverine attacks, UFO intervention by mysterious aliens and infrasound influence can of course be dismissed straight away. The Dyatlov group was killed by highly competent professionals who knew what they were doing.

The injuries could have been caused by anything.  How can you say with certainty that you know that natural forces were not to blame or indeed ALIEN forces  !  ?  You are seriously speculating here.
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Publications / Media / Re: Interview with the son of Churkina
« Last post by sarapuk on December 04, 2019, 08:51:56 AM »
There is no solid evidence of what or who killed the group, unless it was on the piece of paper in Shasha's hand that was picked up by one of the investigators and he said he wrote nothing, but no one else saw the paper.


Exacty.

Killing performed by trained and highly skilled murderers leaves little or no evidence. Professionals are experts in staging various forms of "accidents" and "natural deaths." That is seen throughout history, even though the more primitive methods of killing - like shooting which leaves telltale bullet wounds - are what is most often depicted in movies.

Every single injury suffered by the Dyatlov group is consistent with homicide, and if one looks at all the injuries combined it is beyond doubt that no series of accidents or mishaps could have killed them all in the same evening. There were no avalanches in the area, infrasound would not have had the same effect on all and would not have made the hikers flee far away. The fact that the nine all left their tent at the same time without proper clothing tells us that they were forced out, and in the absence of any kind of natural accidents, it is more than likely they were forced out in the cold at gunpoint. The broken rib cages of some of the last victims, the crushed larynx of one victim, the smashed skulls of two with impact points to the side of the head with damage having the shape of rifle butts, the damaged hands of Doroshenko and Krivonischenko testifying their desperate attempts to escape from a danger by climbing a tree and with both bodies strong indications of having been beaten up, the clear signs that Dyatlov, Kolmogorova and Slobodin were beaten up during the attack - every single injury tells us that realistically this tragedy was the result of a human attack.

Since the killers were almost certainly professionals who knew that by fulfilling their mission in such a way as to not leave any bullet wounds or bayonet cuts - save for one probable cut in Dyatlov's hand - the public would not be certain that these unfortunates were murdered, we are unlikely to ever get that conclusive evidence unless someone finally talks.

The discussions that take place more than sixty years after the incident, where many cannot believe that the Dyatlov group were killed in spite of every piece of evidence available tells us that this was homicide, is indeed testimony to the success of the mission and to the intelligence of the people who ordered and executed the killings.

On the contrary. If you study assassinations you will find plenty of evidence of blunders etc. Every single injury could have been caused by anything. So you can not say for certain that it was murder by professional people.
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I can’t say I have read this book or intend to.  The traumas are clearly not from hand to hand combat. The force required is too great. The overall pattern of events does not fit human interaction IMO.

Regards
Star man

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"state order for liquidation" speaks for itself.

I agree with this author. Has WAB actually red this book? ! taught Karate for 40 years and nearly all of the students injuries are close-Combat injuries by rifle/machine-pistol and pistol butts  I intend to order this book and decide for myself


As a former jiu jitsu practitioner, (though my rank is a 'mere' yellow belt) I can absolutely confirm that the injuries of the nine students as described in the medical reports are consistent with what can be expected in a human attack by trained killers skilled in close combat techniques. Moreover, two of the killed had injuries with shapes strongly suggested that they were made by a rifle butt.

There is no possibility that the Dyatlov group died as a result of natural forces. Far-fetched theories about Yeti attacks, wolverine attacks, UFO intervention by mysterious aliens and infrasound influence can of course be dismissed straight away. The Dyatlov group was killed by highly competent professionals who knew what they were doing.
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Publications / Media / Re: Interview with the son of Churkina
« Last post by Per Inge Oestmoen on December 03, 2019, 03:16:41 AM »
There is no solid evidence of what or who killed the group, unless it was on the piece of paper in Shasha's hand that was picked up by one of the investigators and he said he wrote nothing, but no one else saw the paper.


Exacty.

Killing performed by trained and highly skilled murderers leaves little or no evidence. Professionals are experts in staging various forms of "accidents" and "natural deaths." That is seen throughout history, even though the more primitive methods of killing - like shooting which leaves telltale bullet wounds - are what is most often depicted in movies.

Every single injury suffered by the Dyatlov group is consistent with homicide, and if one looks at all the injuries combined it is beyond doubt that no series of accidents or mishaps could have killed them all in the same evening. There were no avalanches in the area, infrasound would not have had the same effect on all and would not have made the hikers flee far away. The fact that the nine all left their tent at the same time without proper clothing tells us that they were forced out, and in the absence of any kind of natural accidents, it is more than likely they were forced out in the cold at gunpoint. The broken rib cages of some of the last victims, the crushed larynx of one victim, the smashed skulls of two with impact points to the side of the head with damage having the shape of rifle butts, the damaged hands of Doroshenko and Krivonischenko testifying their desperate attempts to escape from a danger by climbing a tree and with both bodies strong indications of having been beaten up, the clear signs that Dyatlov, Kolmogorova and Slobodin were beaten up during the attack - every single injury tells us that realistically this tragedy was the result of a human attack.

Since the killers were almost certainly professionals who knew that by fulfilling their mission in such a way as to not leave any bullet wounds or bayonet cuts - save for one probable cut in Dyatlov's hand - the public would not be certain that these unfortunates were murdered, we are unlikely to ever get that conclusive evidence unless someone finally talks.

The discussions that take place more than sixty years after the incident, where many cannot believe that the Dyatlov group were killed in spite of every piece of evidence available tells us that this was homicide, is indeed testimony to the success of the mission and to the intelligence of the people who ordered and executed the killings.
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Publications / Media / Re: Interview with the son of Churkina
« Last post by Nigel Evans on December 01, 2019, 05:31:48 AM »
In his book "Journey to Dyatlov Pass", Keith McCloskey gives a textbook description of watermelon snow at the location where Rustem was found even though neither he or the Russian officer in his party knew what it was.
Googling "watermelon snow" images it is clear that the algae has a strong red colour, which mixed in with the snow produces pink.

I cannot find with google, orange watermelon snow.
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General Discussion / Re: Strange slow progression after (labaz)
« Last post by cennetkusu on November 30, 2019, 10:01:21 PM »
Pardon mais je ne voulais pas ouvrir un nouveau post sur le sujet , je voulais faire suivre  lalala1

Bonjour  ...je ne sais pas si vous me lissez en anglais ,ou pas ? FRENCH

Je trouve anormale le déplacement du 31 Janv départ "LABAZ" ,a quelle heures ?
Pour se retrouver a 2 km 5 de leur point de départ (rectification du post précédent 2 km 5 pas 4km)

Par exemple ,partir a 11 h du matin ,pour ce retrouver a 2 km 5 a 16h sur le Kholat ,n'a pas de sens

il y a un vrai problème ,11 H...12H...13H...14H...15H...16H...17H...! TIC TAC = 2km 5 Mt Kholat  ???

Que font t'ils tout ce temps ,pensez si ... malgré le mauvais temps le colonne se met en marche,mais la vraie question ,c'est a quelle heure le départ du camp ?

a cela j'ajoute ...

 «Dans l'un des appareils photo, le cadre photo (le dernier) a été préservé, ce qui indique le moment de l'excavation de la neige pour installer une tente. Étant donné que cette image a été prise avec une vitesse d'obturation de 1/25 s. avec un diaphragme de 5,6 avec une sensibilité de 65 unités de GOST, et compte tenu également de la densité de la trame, on peut supposer que l'installation de la tente a commencé vers 17 h 00, le 1.02.1959. Une photo similaire a été prise par un autre appareil.
Passé ce délai, pas un seul enregistrement ni aucune photo n'a été trouvé. ”

'installation de la tente a commencé vers 17 h 00,  ? 

C' est encore pire !
Donc je me pose cette question du temps ,la justification de cette horaire pour si peu de km parcouru ,malgré la tempête il n'y a pas de problème majeur ,pas d'obstacles comme dans la foret ,c'est tout droit,moins de 4 km entre les deux extrémités de la foret (700m si ils passent devant le mémorial ) ,si ils stoppent;c'est a cause de l'heure pas de la tempête,c'est mon avis !

Cette question me pose donc un problème bien avant l’épisode de la tente ,car c'est un saut de puce très très tardif trop gros; pour une erreur d'appréciation... je note aussi qu'ils stoppent au niveau ('mais bien plus haut) D'ou commence la foret, cela fait penser qu'ils connaissent un minimum la cartographie ,pourtant ils stoppent a cause de cette horaire que ressemble a rien .

Enfin si ils avaient suivit le bon chemin tracé sur leurs carte ,ils se seraient retrouvés a l'endroit ou les corps furent trouvé ,
The group set up a tent in the wooded area before the tent on the slope. But for some unknown reason they left and set up the tent on the mountainside. That's where the time difference is. This is the case in the first reports, but then removed from the reports (?)
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General Discussion / Re: Strange slow progression after (labaz)
« Last post by Jean Daniel Reuss on November 30, 2019, 09:25:52 AM »
1) LOUISETTE wrote (machine translation with DeepL) :
   ***  November 13, 2019, 06:11:47 PM
  "...I find abnormal the trip of January 31 (rectification, it is February 1), departure "LABAZ" at what hours?
To find themselves at 2 km 5 of their starting point (rectification of the previous post November 11,  2 km 5 not 4km)...."
   ***  November 11, 2019, 05:53:22 AM
 " Strange slow progression!  ...   ONLY 4 km !  ...
So I ask myself this question of time,the justification of this schedule for so few km covered,despite the storm there is no major problem,no obstacles as in the forest,it's straight ahead,less than 4 km between the two ends of the forest (700m if they pass in front of the memorial),if they stop,it's because of the time,not the storm,it's my opinion!...."
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2)  In My Humble Opinion
 * Indeed Dyatlov made a small mistake on the planned route, but it is not important.
He made a wise and good decision by stopping around 5pm without losing altitude (rather than continuing randomly into the night, remember that all 9 are tired and a little lost).
The next day, February 2, Dyatlov expected to easily find the normal path when it was daylight.

 * Considering the bad weather (strong wind and cold) during the day of February 1 all manipulations are slowed down and made more difficult (among other things, everyone must keep their mittens to avoid having their fingers frozen... etc.)
 To set the ideas here is an example of a realistic schedule reconstruction:

Alarm clock :: 7am
Departure :: 9am

Construction of the labaz = sorting and distribution of equipment, packaging and protection of food, ...  ---> +3h :: noon
Skiing up in deep snow with an increase in altitude of about 300 m and then a short horizontal trip       ---> +3h :: 3pm
Setting up the tent = clearing a horizontal platform, stowing in the absence of a tree, holding light objects that fly away well in snow gusts.... ---> +2h :: 5pm

So at 5 pm the tent is up and everyone can take shelter inside. So far everything is going normally. Then there's nothing to worry about!

(Sorry for the bad style: French to English translation with DeepL)


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Murdered / Re: The tent was near the cedar. There was an attack
« Last post by gildar on November 29, 2019, 01:24:17 AM »
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