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General Discussion / Re: Put yourself in their places for a moment
« Last post by ilahiyol on Today at 11:36:57 AM »
Yes, I have thought about this many times. I would say they had less than 2 minutes. These were experienced winter hikers, not newbies. They would never leave the tent without their boots and 2 minutes is enough time to get your boots. I would say they had 5 seconds. Whatever forced them out of the tent was absolutely immediate.
If they had even one minute, not two, they would all have put on their boots. They would even have taken their other belongings with them. They had absolutely no time. As I said before, the Unknown compelling force appeared to the young people from a relatively far distance!!! It must have been night. Because there are peepholes in the tent. They saw something glowing in the darkness of the night. And they cut peepholes in the tent to see it better! I estimate the distance must have been around 300 meters. Then the Unknown Force slowly approached the tent! I estimate this period must have been 1-2 minutes.During this time, some young people put on their boots. Some continued to look at the unknown force. Those who were wearing their boots had guessed that they would come out of the tent and had acted early and put on their boots. Others must not have guessed this. And they continued to look at the unknown force in amazement until they came to the tent. But the unknown force attacked the tent!!! The experienced and brave young people must have resisted for a long time... Because outside, half-naked, meant death. But the last attack of the unknown force was very THREATEN!!! The young people were very scared and finally tore the tent apart and left!!! They did not run away. Because the unknown force's goal was to get them out of the tent. Not to kill them, and the young people knew that.
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General Discussion / Re: The tent again
« Last post by ilahiyol on Today at 11:08:10 AM »
There is a suggestion that these two pieces could have been lost while the searchers were packing up the tent and things for transport to Ivdel.
Russians don't value such trivial items. And because they were so light, they were likely swept away by the strong winds. No one went after them. In any case, the incident was initially a lost cause. And the two pieces of cloth weren't particularly important. Yet, those two pieces of cloth could have had significant tears and cuts. Or something else.
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General Discussion / Re: Unknown diary
« Last post by ilahiyol on Today at 10:51:07 AM »
sarapuk, they wanted to return the tent to the UPI tourist club, but the tourist club did not want to take it, since it was unfit for further use. That's why the tent was stored in the basement—the tourist club didn't take it, and there was no procedural document that would have sent it to the stove or the landfill.

Well, is that the official line?  I believe that certain things are missing from this Dyatlov Mystery, apart from documents. For instance, a camera's film may be missing. It may well be that the authorities no longer needed the tent, having decided that its usefulness as evidence was done. Or maybe that they got rid of it because modern forensic techniques could have revealed something not to their liking. Or maybe they still have it.
Russians don't throw away such items and evidence. It's likely hidden somewhere. But it may have decayed over the past 66 years because adequate preservation conditions likely haven't been provided. So, even if it were found, examining it would be impossible.
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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled
« Last post by ilahiyol on Today at 10:46:52 AM »
Obviously this ravine or creek is not the ravine 4 creek .
Sure, they are different. In general, all sad events happend in the Lozva river valley. Lozva has a few water tributaries. Zina, Rustem, and Igor were on a single line, which goes very close and almost in parallel with the tributary number 4. The "Ravine 4" creek is in turn a water tributary to the Tributary #4. But all these water sources are well below the icy spot mentioned by Mr.Sedov and could not be responsble for its formation.

I always have been curious how that icy spot had emerged. And when...
The icy surfaces you mentioned are likely found on many mountain slopes. I suspect this is because they lack sunlight and are exposed to cold winds. This causes them to freeze over and flatten. And if we were to go to the scene now, it would likely be there again.
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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on Today at 06:56:18 AM »
Obviously this ravine or creek is not the ravine 4 creek .
Sure, they are different. In general, all sad events happend in the Lozva river valley. Lozva has a few water tributaries. Zina, Rustem, and Igor were on a single line, which goes very close and almost in parallel with the tributary number 4. The "Ravine 4" creek is in turn a water tributary to the Tributary #4. But all these water sources are well below the icy spot mentioned by Mr.Sedov and could not be responsble for its formation.

I always have been curious how that icy spot had emerged. And when...
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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled
« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 06:33:58 AM »
Depending on the weather , the slope could turn to ice
Could you elaborate a little more on that?

If we listen to Mr.Sedov, it seems that the large icy space was something very unusual to him, though he was a frequent visitor of those areas in winter hikes. This space began at the 3rd ridge and went down to bush zone. Dyatlov group's footprints approached that icy space from above, then few footprints could be seen after the icy space. The question is if that icy space emerged before or after the Dyatlov group went down the slope. What do you think?

I can try but some of its memory from this site and other people's links. I'm sure it's in the case files as I started ready them again with three different translations. There are small errors of translation and some times words just happen to have a different meaning.

It is in the case files ( somewhere) that when the weather deteriorated, the slope became slippery or something. It was noted that all these rocks stick out and it was one of the areas where if the hikers started sliding and hit those rocks , then that would easily account for the injuries. The snow surface is never constant in texture or density of snow and it's why crampons exist I guess. We must remember that the slope where Igor, Zina and rustem are found are basically in line withe the ravine and the start of the river.







Im sure someone said that there was a spring  , I thought they meant the spring as time of year but I think they meant underground water spring. Obviously this ravine or creek is not the ravine 4 creek .
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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on Today at 05:31:51 AM »
Depending on the weather , the slope could turn to ice
Could you elaborate a little more on that?

If we listen to Mr.Sedov, it seems that the large icy space was something very unusual to him, though he was a frequent visitor of those areas in winter hikes. This space began at the 3rd ridge and went down to bush zone. Dyatlov group's footprints approached that icy space from above, then few footprints could be seen after the icy space. The question is if that icy space emerged before or after the Dyatlov group went down the slope. What do you think?
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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled
« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 04:45:53 AM »
I think this is mentioned in the case files and later interview. The raised footprints mainly occured between the 3 ridges on the slope, at the ridges the footprints would disappear or they would turn to imprints where feet had broken through thin ice. Depending on the weather , the slope could turn to ice, the search was asked to be called off because of this , several searchers had fallen and one of the military guys had hurt himself badly and was not moving . He had to be flown off the slope.

It is here than some of the searchers reckoned the injuries happened but that must be after the autopsy. I have read some where that it also to do with springs on the slope. If we look at the modern map and photos we can see the erosion of earth away from that area that they were told to avoid .

I think that's what it's about anyway. 
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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on Today at 04:08:51 AM »
Here is the quote ,
"However, there were no traces of the explosion wave; Maslennikov and I examined this carefully."
Thank you for the quote provided, got it!

Well, if we look at what Ivanov said exactly, we see that he failed to find traces of the explosion wave. Whether he eliminated an explosion as a possible cause of DPI or not, is not clear. It seems he kept considering an explosion along with other (more fantastic) causes like "heat ray" and "unknown energy". At minimum, in his interview to Bogomolov he mentions a blast, as though "a balloon had burst". One more thing -- traces of a criminal not always can be found on the scene of a crime. The criminal can be very cautious, wear gloves, etc. Does absense of traces indicate that the criminal is not guilty? No way. It means that investigator needs to work hard to get the evidence. In our case Ivanov was ready to work hard, but he was stopped by his bosses both in Prosecutor's office and Communist party.

But I have to agree that Ivanov failed to provide clear picture of his theory. He drifts between plasmoids and manned spaceships equipped with BFG thus creating a mess. He also failed to find melted snow, which would had been clear sign of a heat burst. Maybe, we can be more successful? We have a few recollections from members of the search party about big icy spot, which extended for about 150m at the slope. Here is what Rudolf Sedov says:

"Question: During the time of the search, did you notice anything strange?

R.Sedov: There was an anomaly, of course. There, in the place of search, a little further down the slope, there was a large icy space. The ice sparkled in the sun. We were told that this was a radiation melting, they say, in the mountains, like. Well, I, by the way, how many times I walked through these mountains, and this is decades, I have never seen anything like this. It could have been, in my opinion, some kind of thermal effect. And the most interesting thing is that they didn't let us in there. Said: "Everything has been checked there. Don't go."

Question: Where was this ice?

R.Sedov: 400 meters from the search site, closer to Otorten."


The full text can be found here: https://www.kp.ru/daily/26752/3782580/

So, even without Ivanov's "incompetency" we can find some anomalies in the vicinity of 1079. Number of anomalies grow, so we need to look at the new ones probably.
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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled
« Last post by Ziljoe on November 17, 2025, 05:14:28 PM »
There is a big difference to think something looked burnt and is burnt. It's why wind or winter burn is called this. Also Ivanov wouldn't have known about the broken ribs until after the autopsy , not when he was at the ravine.
Not only Ivanov, nobody knew about broken ribs and cracked skull until the autopsy. In my eyes it plays in favor of explosion, since Ivanov started to look for an epicenter, melted snow, abd broken trees even not knowing about the injuries of the Ravine 4. Just observing the surrounding territory he started to suspect an explosion. You say the trees were wind or winter burnt. How do you know that? Do you see appropriate lab test in the original case files? It's your word against Ivanov's word, but Ivanov has an advantage, he was on the spot in 1959. And it is very important to note, Ivanov stressed that the trees were singed, not burnt. Yes, there are different types of burns: fire burns, frost burns, wind burns, etc. But 'singed' means lightly touched by fire. So, Ivanov meant fire, and that's why he started to look for explosion's traces.

When you say that Ivanov might had confused fire burnt trees with wind or winter burnt trees, you basically say that Ivanov was not competent. despite his boss says he was an excellent investigator. OK, at least, we cannot say that Ivanov lacked good intuition. The Ravine 4 were found in clear water of mountain creek -- part of untouched nature. However, Ivanov initiated radiation lab test, and (oh, gosh!) the test showed that the clothing was contaminated. Maybe, when looking for epicenter, he was led by his good intuition as well?

As I understand it , Ivanov does not speak about such things until 1990 ( I've been going back and forth across pages of stuff written by other people in articles and the case files , it's a mess )  . It's difficult to know if he's been misquoted.

I don't recall him mentioning broken trees or melted snow and his mention of the trees being burnt or singed is only linked to the article. I don't know how he would find melted snow after 3 months of weather and the thaw of the spring. ( There is mention of melted snow around the fire at the cedar when excavation was taking place).

I do not know what he means by his burnt or singed trees but he supplies nothing else , no other people at the site mention singed trees , especially the Mansi . This might be because it is not unusual for them to see wind burn?. We would have hoped that ivano would have said that he took some cuttings and discussed his observations with those that were their but he doesn't, he keeps all this secret until the 90's when articles and books come out . He writes to the editors of newpapers in a very peculiar way as if egging and teasing that he has a mysterious story.

The article or articles do not make Ivanov sound competent.  Who knows why?


Here is the quote ,
"However, there were no traces of the explosion wave; Maslennikov and I examined this carefully."

From https://dyatlovpass.com/ivanov-2-ru

Central Television
Program "Ecology of the Unknown"
comrades Kuzovkin, Myagchenkov

Dear comrades!

Perhaps you'll be interested in my information about the events that took place thirty years ago in the Northern Urals. During this time, all information about this event was classified, but now several publications have appeared on it: in the Sverdlovsk regional newspaper "Uralsky Rabochy" and the Kustanay regional newspaper "Leninsky Put." I recently learned that some information was also published in the Sverdlovsk newspaper "Na Smenu." But the fact is that, unfortunately, I am the only one left who knows the true circumstances of this tragedy. The circumstances are in my notes.

We need to make a "presentation" so that you understand the reliability of the information source.


From 1951 to 1962, I worked as a criminal prosecutor in the Sverdlovsk Regional Prosecutor's Office (something like a captain-mentor in the navy). My job description required me to assist in investigating the most complex cases, and I took on some particularly challenging ones. That's how it's done today. In 1959, at the request of the regional prosecutor, Klimov, I investigated this case.

"From 1962 to 1965, I served as the head of the investigative department of the Tselinny Krai prosecutor's office. After the region's dissolution, I became deputy prosecutor of Pavlodar Oblast. From 1968 to 1978, I served as prosecutor of Pavlodar Oblast. From 1978 to 1985 (until my retirement), I served as prosecutor of Kostanay Oblast. I hold the rank of State Justice Counselor, 3rd Class, and am an Honorary Worker of the Prosecutor's Office. Now retired, I am a personal pensioner of republican significance and work as a lawyer for the Kostanay City Legal Clinic. So, it would seem that your source should be trustworthy.

The manuscript does not need to be returned.

Sincerely

Lev Nikitich Ivanov, signature

March 8, 1991
"


The rest of the blurb is in the link. I don't even know if this is fake but it really reads like ivanov is implying , if you scratch my back I'll scratch yours. If anything .

It is here that fuel is poured onto the DPI to make a metaphorical explosion with no epicenter in the media, Ivanov seems to be the one that ignites the mystery  . Strangely it's devoid of empathy or any factual meaning given his credentials.

The reasons given for the lab tests for radiation are even incompetent and again come years later. If Ivanov was in charge, it does not mean he's an expert on everything he sees. He can't know everything about radiation, avalanches , how cut canvas reacts to being cut under a microscope,nature and wind burn , etc

He was the conductor of an orchestra and waves his batten to the musicians informing them when to play the tune, in other words he was the lead investigator, he should be instructing all the people at his disposal and using all the resources but it seems he didn't?. 


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