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Murdered / Re: The tent was near the cedar. There was an attack
« Last post by gildar on January 16, 2020, 08:17:55 AM »
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General Discussion / Re: Forgery of photographs after January 26, 1959
« Last post by Gorojanin on January 15, 2020, 05:57:46 PM »
In addition to the hair on krivonishchenko's chin, which grew to a length of 0.5 cm, you can see how his nails grew. The nails had clearly not been cut since January 26, and they had been growing for about two weeks. Except for the nail of the single middle finger of the right hand, but the pad on the middle finger is swollen.













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General Discussion / Re: Why didn't any of the group leave a message
« Last post by Star man on January 15, 2020, 03:26:18 PM »
Also...how was a den dug with no shovels and only one person with gloves? Even in a comparatively "warm" den, it would be madness to keep your gloves in your pocket and not put them on. Like, "yeah our friends at the cedar tree just died but I think we got this" ....to be fair, Tibo was very likely unconscious and his friends may not have realized he had gloves in his pockets. (Which makes Semyon's den construction feat even more amazing, if he constructed it with bare hands in -25Cish weather.)

I remember seeing a Borzenkov post where he hypothesized that the "den" was never really a "den" at all; that it was just a platform of branches on top of the snow, that much later got completely covered in snow (if I'm remembering correctly).

It's unlikely that the den was anything substantial given they were using their hands.  Agree that Thibo must have been unconscious before he had a chance to put his gloves on.  Which leaves a question around when and where he became unconscious and how?  Was he close to the tent?  How far would he have walked in a conscious state without putting his gloves on? The foot prints suggest 8 to 9 people.  Maybe it was 8 for a fair distance down the slope?

Regards

Star man
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General Discussion / Re: Why didn't any of the group leave a message
« Last post by Star man on January 15, 2020, 03:19:43 PM »
It would be interesting to know the conditions required for raised foot prints. I think there will a few variables to consider including the particle size, specific surface area of the snow, the temperature, and the voidage of the snow etc.  Also wind conditions and initial wet moisture content.  Thinking about it is probably quite complicated to define.

The snow when subjected to pressure from the foot will be compressed, but the pressure will also cause some melting resulting in the particles of snow  sticking together.   The forces from the foot will spread downward and outward at about 45 degrees near the foot.  This might explain the raised border around the foot.

What is interesting is that if there were any  foot prints that were several centimetres deeper than those made by the hikers would not have revealed themselves.

Regards

Star man
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Zinaida Kolmogorova / Re: Video with Zina
« Last post by Teddy on January 15, 2020, 12:50:01 PM »
Somebody sent me the link to the video asking if I think that's her. I sent it to my Russian friends, they said that it is highly possible, the timing and everything.
I get a lot of information. Not all is good. I get a lot of crazies.
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Zinaida Kolmogorova / Re: Video with Zina
« Last post by Loose}{Cannon on January 15, 2020, 12:42:18 PM »
Oh thats her alright....   how did you find this? 
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General Discussion / Re: Why didn't any of the group leave a message
« Last post by Nigel Evans on January 15, 2020, 11:19:51 AM »
Lets not forget the snow at and around the tent. The rescuers had to dismount as the snow was to hard and corrugated to ski over. The tent was damaged because the snow on top of it was so hard they needed an ice pick to get through it. Imo all signs that the snow had been "warmed" and then returned to normal frozen temps.
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General Discussion / Re: Why didn't any of the group leave a message
« Last post by Nigel Evans on January 15, 2020, 11:09:51 AM »
Also...how was a den dug with no shovels and only one person with gloves? Even in a comparatively "warm" den, it would be madness to keep your gloves in your pocket and not put them on. Like, "yeah our friends at the cedar tree just died but I think we got this" ....to be fair, Tibo was very likely unconscious and his friends may not have realized he had gloves in his pockets. (Which makes Semyon's den construction feat even more amazing, if he constructed it with bare hands in -25Cish weather.) They had a knife for the poles making the den floor and there were lots of fragments of clothing lying around including one or more near the den.  Just my guess but binding a couple of poles together with some fabric gives you some traction in digging out snow and pushing it onto a larger piece of cloth for moving it away.

I remember seeing a Borzenkov post where he hypothesized that the "den" was never really a "den" at all; that it was just a platform of branches on top of the snow, that much later got completely covered in snow (if I'm remembering correctly). I've shown that the final position of the bodies and the injuries can be made to fit the den being occupied before a tracked vehicle traveled over the top and crushed them. Let me know if you need the link.
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General Discussion / Re: Why didn't any of the group leave a message
« Last post by Nigel Evans on January 15, 2020, 11:04:35 AM »
Difficult to see, but is the circled footprint a booted print? I think i can see toes, so probably in a sock. It looks like a bare or snow-covered foot to me. Could it be that with more heat (even a rapidly cooling bare or sock foot would exude significantly more heat than a foot covered by a boot), there is an area around the foot where the snow briefly melted then refroze (therefore esisting being blown away later)? It's just weird, the "border" has a depression right next to the edge of the foot where the wind has eroded more snow than further out. Must be chemicals he says confidently.  kewl1

I am new to this particular topic. I am very curious to know if there is any science on raised footprints, i.e. at what temperatures are they known to form.

If I could find a windswept area on a hill where no one else would walk, I could do my own experiments.  A pity I'm a city dweller now and no longer in the country.
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General Discussion / Re: Why didn't any of the group leave a message
« Last post by Zorah on January 15, 2020, 10:13:26 AM »
Also...how was a den dug with no shovels and only one person with gloves? Even in a comparatively "warm" den, it would be madness to keep your gloves in your pocket and not put them on. Like, "yeah our friends at the cedar tree just died but I think we got this" ....to be fair, Tibo was very likely unconscious and his friends may not have realized he had gloves in his pockets. (Which makes Semyon's den construction feat even more amazing, if he constructed it with bare hands in -25Cish weather.)

I remember seeing a Borzenkov post where he hypothesized that the "den" was never really a "den" at all; that it was just a platform of branches on top of the snow, that much later got completely covered in snow (if I'm remembering correctly).
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