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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled

« Last post by SURI on November 13, 2025, 11:16:38 PM »

It seems strange to me that some energy from the air would only choose young trees and some of them at that. It looks more like they were chosen intentionally for their availability and ease of ignition to illuminate the area and provide better orientation. It's darker in the forest after all. And since they were covered in snow, the burning took on different forms.

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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled

« Last post by Ziljoe on November 13, 2025, 04:08:39 PM »

I think I read somewhere that Ivanov didn't see the finished article before print and the press or media have always exaggerated their articles for sales. There a number of contradictory statements in the article and this is highlighted in another thread on the dyatlov website.

I have no way to measure if ivanov was experienced  and thorough and I don't know if Maslennikov even mentions these burnt looking trees. If Ivanovo was thorough then it begs the question why he didn't take some branches for analysis, especially when he claims the place was radio active or state that he eliminated the possibility that it was not windburn. He just states a visual observation and speculates a heat ray and some energy. Hardly thorough in my opinion, when you investigate, you also eliminate possibilities and find out .

It also peculiar that he doesn't state this in the casefiles when he is informed of the autopsy results and that an air blast could cause such injuries.

I don't recall the Masni mentioning burnt tree's, it would be exciting if the have.

However, pushing my cynical side away , let's run with what we have got.

Injuries that are similar to an air blast , some potential singed trees that could be caused by some sort of fuel combustion in the air ?

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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on November 13, 2025, 11:21:09 AM »

Could he not be witnessing windburn or winterburn. It fits his description perfectly. It is strange that no other person mentions this , especially the Mansi as the caretakers and workers of the land or the forester's. If he witnessed this burning , why would he not say that it was not wind burn.

I assume that Ivanov was experienced and thorough investigator. I see no reason for him to talk about "heat ray" or "completely unknown energy", if he faced just sick branches dried by winter wind. And Maslennikov, who was master of hiking, should have seen a lot of trees exposed to wind in winter. He would have stopped Ivanov in his search for epicenter and explain him that such a picture is normal.

You say that Mansi do not mention burned young tress. Are there any Mansi evidence available, where they talk about the slope and the ravine areas?

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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled

« Last post by Ziljoe on November 13, 2025, 08:34:09 AM »

There are several explanations for his observations.

Could he not be witnessing windburn or winterburn. It fits his description perfectly. It is strange that no other person mentions this , especially the Mansi as the caretakers and workers of the land or the forester's. If he witnessed this burning , why would he not say that it was not wind burn.

The treeline means the edge of the forest and your picture is of the edge of the ridge( still exposed to the wind) . The snow has been thawing and it is spring and this wind burn occurs from the wind more than the sun and it occurs at treelines . There would be no epicenter exactly as he describes?



"It seemed like when the hikers walked on their feet more than five hundred meters down from the mountain, someone dealt with some of them as direct targets.“

By all accounts he seems to have let his imagination wonder to try and fit what he couldn't understand. He doesn't give a date for this conclusion and he was hardly at the pass .

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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on November 13, 2025, 06:42:05 AM »

Would that not be the opposite of an explosion or blast ?

OK, let's make an attempt to understand what it could be.

Obviously, on finding young trees that were lightly burned, Ivanov started to look for traces of possible explosion, as he talks about epicenter. But he failed to find one. This matches his another comment that there was no pattern in how the trees had been burned. If a classic bomb is detonated, the epicenter is the bomb's body at the moment of explosion. Depending on what is bomb's body position towards a tree, the tree will be burned more at the bomb's side and less at the opposite side. The same is true if a bomb is detonated above a tree -- lower branches will be affected less than upper ones. But in Ivanov's case, as he says "no pattern", it was not possible to detect from which direction flames came. All that made him think about "heat ray or completely unknown to us energy acting selectively".

My conclusion is quite different from Ivanov's. "No pattern" and randomly scattered burns from all sides of the trees probably mean that some flamable substance was dispersed in the air unevenly. Then someting ignited it. And concentration of that substance was low, since the young trees were burned just lightly while other trees did not have visible burns. In this case, indeed, there was no epicenter, or if you like, there were many small epicenters in the air in the area, where the young trees were located.

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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled

« Last post by SURI on November 13, 2025, 05:40:40 AM »

It's no mystery. The four needed to see and at the same time needed to have their hands free, so they solved it this way. One can also agree with Ivanov's next statement.

„It seemed like when the hikers walked on their feet more than five hundred meters down from the mountain, someone dealt with some of them as direct targets.“

On the slope, an unknown (known) force demonstrated what it can do.

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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled

« Last post by SURI on November 13, 2025, 01:49:57 AM »

Could you give a diagram of the trees he was referring to as I get mixed up.

Sure. Here you are. The ravine, where the 4 bodies were found, was located right in front of the forest -- its tree line. And Lev Ivanov spoke about young trees that had been lightly burned with no obvious pattern and had been somewhere at the tree line. Unfortunately, Mr.Ivanov has not provided more precise location of the young trees.

When it's dark, you need light.

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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on November 13, 2025, 12:26:52 AM »

Could you give a diagram of the trees he was referring to as I get mixed up.

Sure. Here you are. The ravine, where the 4 bodies were found, was located right in front of the forest -- its tree line. And Lev Ivanov spoke about young trees that had been lightly burned with no obvious pattern and had been somewhere at the tree line. Unfortunately, Mr.Ivanov has not provided more precise location of the young trees.

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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled

« Last post by Ziljoe on November 12, 2025, 05:37:54 PM »

Exactly. Would that not be the opposite of an explosion or blast ?

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General Discussion / Re: Experienced and skilled

« Last post by amashilu on November 12, 2025, 04:52:13 PM »

Lev Ivanov: " .... When already in May we examined the scene of the incident with E. Maslennikov * * we found that some young trees on the forest tree line have traces of burning, but they are not in concentric shape or any other system. There was no epicenter. This once again confirmed a source of heat ray or completely unknown to us energy acting selectively - the snow was not melted, the trees were not damaged."

He is saying that there was no pattern. The damaged trees seemed randomly selected or targeted almost as if on purpose.