Survival programs as a resource.

[Ziljoe]

Walking without shoes or boots

Can people walk when wearing socks ?

The obvious answer is yes they can, there is no argument there, we walk around in our homes wearing socks everyday. If you don't believe me, put some socks on and go for a walk. Did you manage?

Can people walk on snow when wearing socks ?

Again we can work this out... people can! , No surprises so far .


Can people walk on snow , wearing only socks for a reasonable length of time ?

This is more tricky to answer, snow, socks and time , what about heat loss!

Luckily , some of the human race have done  this walking in snow with socks for us. oddly enough, not all in connection with the Dyatlov pass but from survival perspectives.

This video below is one of my favourites , the guy actually puts his socks in water first , then walks in the snow. He states it's -25c , walks for about 15 minutes in his backyard explaining the sensations. Only 2 pairs of wool socks . We can note the build up of snow on the sock. See the end result? .


https://youtu.be/WrdSAzOalQM?si=hXwPOSQ8qax7eXCf


Below is a video of a woman running through woods at -12c in the snow wearing socks. It looks like 30 minute workout. She states no harm to the feet. Again , socks ,2-3

https://youtu.be/009ALVRMUzg?si=MjMCkLoMWm7ES3y-


Lastly, we have the experiment film of the researchers on the actual slope of the hikers. Walking from tent to ceder.


https://youtu.be/FAuxkkISqmI?si=Wicl1m9o0pl2dCwY

[ If the Dyatlov Group were being scared to death, then they would be in a state of panic and run as best they could away from the tent site barefoot, even certainly not dressed for the conditions at the time. ]

Or, thinking in a lateral way , they could not acces their equipment.

[sarapuk]

[ Much snow would have accumulated during the many weeks before the bodies were found. Any tracks would have been covered over. ]

Quote from Ziljoe on October 31, 2025:

I may not have explained myself well. The point I'm trying to make is how the trail came to be discovered, this I feel is important as it can help us to narrow down the variables .

It is not a trail of footsteps or how the snow lies that indicates the trail found by the Mansi , it is the cut young trees , ripped clothing  and then the broken foliage that have come off during the transportation of the cut trees that gives the the trail down and directly to the den.

It is the layers of material in that snow level, that at least imply ,that this was the one of the last and only activities at that location and what was found around the ceder.

When an archaeologist digs down through layers he will find many things , a layer of volcano dust for example, the bones of our ancestors and then dinosaurs for example but the layers give us a time line.

The areas around the ceder,  ravine and towards the tent all have snow , I suggest that it would be nearly impossible for anyone or anything to be able not to leave a visible trail , especially in the forest.

The experienced Mansi , especially from their hunting skills would have been able to locate other trails but it would seem that the didn't. When the thaw was good enough all that was left at that level in the snow was what was found. It implies that there were no others moving things or digging trenches or making fires.

Archaeology is one of my hobbies. Snow is an important part of the mystery. But we can't excavate snow the way we can excavate the ground that the snow covers. The Dyatlov group where found some time after the incident, so all sorts of things could have been going on weather-wise in that area. We don't know.   

[Ziljoe]

[ Much snow would have accumulated during the many weeks before the bodies were found. Any tracks would have been covered over. ]

I may not have explained myself well. The point I'm trying to make is how the trail came to be discovered, this I feel is important as it can help us to narrow down the variables .

It is not a trail of footsteps or how the snow lies that indicates the trail found by the Mansi , it is the cut young trees , ripped clothing  and then the broken foliage that have come off during the transportation of the cut trees that gives the the trail down and directly to the den.

It is the layers of material in that snow level, that at least imply ,that this was the one of the last and only activities at that location and what was found around the ceder.

When an archaeologist digs down through layers he will find many things , a layer of volcano dust for example, the bones of our ancestors and then dinosaurs for example but the layers give us a time line.

The areas around the ceder,  ravine and towards the tent all have snow , I suggest that it would be nearly impossible for anyone or anything to be able not to leave a visible trail , especially in the forest.

The experienced Mansi , especially from their hunting skills would have been able to locate other trails but it would seem that the didn't. When the thaw was good enough all that was left at that level in the snow was what was found. It implies that there were no others moving things or digging trenches or making fires.

Archaeology is one of my hobbies. Snow is an important part of the mystery. But we can't excavate snow the way we can excavate the ground that the snow covers. The Dyatlov group where found some time after the incident, so all sorts of things could have been going on weather-wise in that area. We don't know.   

Sarapuk, could you please edit your reply so it shows who said what.

If archaeology is one of your hobbies you would understand what I am putting forward. I will try to explain to you again. The layer in the snow of broken bits of tree and ripped clothes showed exactly where activity took place  at the den and the Cedar. There are no reports of activity in the snow elsewhere after the thaw.

The layers of snow are like an accelerated form of what happens in time to the earth layers. Hope that helps.

[ilahiyol]

[ Much snow would have accumulated during the many weeks before the bodies were found. Any tracks would have been covered over. ]

Quote from Ziljoe on October 31, 2025:

I may not have explained myself well. The point I'm trying to make is how the trail came to be discovered, this I feel is important as it can help us to narrow down the variables .

It is not a trail of footsteps or how the snow lies that indicates the trail found by the Mansi , it is the cut young trees , ripped clothing  and then the broken foliage that have come off during the transportation of the cut trees that gives the the trail down and directly to the den.

It is the layers of material in that snow level, that at least imply ,that this was the one of the last and only activities at that location and what was found around the ceder.

When an archaeologist digs down through layers he will find many things , a layer of volcano dust for example, the bones of our ancestors and then dinosaurs for example but the layers give us a time line.

The areas around the ceder,  ravine and towards the tent all have snow , I suggest that it would be nearly impossible for anyone or anything to be able not to leave a visible trail , especially in the forest.

The experienced Mansi , especially from their hunting skills would have been able to locate other trails but it would seem that the didn't. When the thaw was good enough all that was left at that level in the snow was what was found. It implies that there were no others moving things or digging trenches or making fires.

Archaeology is one of my hobbies. Snow is an important part of the mystery. But we can't excavate snow the way we can excavate the ground that the snow covers. The Dyatlov group where found some time after the incident, so all sorts of things could have been going on weather-wise in that area. We don't know.   

This also needs to be considered carefully. The Russian government may be hiding a lot of things. God knows what they're hiding(?). The Russian state at that time was much more monarchical, and they were trying to conceal everything. And these hidden things may not have been recorded, and those who concealed them may have long since died. In other words, the Dytlov mystery may remain a mystery.

[sarapuk]

[ Much snow would have accumulated during the many weeks before the bodies were found. Any tracks would have been covered over. ]

I may not have explained myself well. The point I'm trying to make is how the trail came to be discovered, this I feel is important as it can help us to narrow down the variables .

It is not a trail of footsteps or how the snow lies that indicates the trail found by the Mansi , it is the cut young trees , ripped clothing  and then the broken foliage that have come off during the transportation of the cut trees that gives the the trail down and directly to the den.

It is the layers of material in that snow level, that at least imply ,that this was the one of the last and only activities at that location and what was found around the ceder.

When an archaeologist digs down through layers he will find many things , a layer of volcano dust for example, the bones of our ancestors and then dinosaurs for example but the layers give us a time line.

The areas around the ceder,  ravine and towards the tent all have snow , I suggest that it would be nearly impossible for anyone or anything to be able not to leave a visible trail , especially in the forest.

The experienced Mansi , especially from their hunting skills would have been able to locate other trails but it would seem that the didn't. When the thaw was good enough all that was left at that level in the snow was what was found. It implies that there were no others moving things or digging trenches or making fires.

Archaeology is one of my hobbies. Snow is an important part of the mystery. But we can't excavate snow the way we can excavate the ground that the snow covers. The Dyatlov group where found some time after the incident, so all sorts of things could have been going on weather-wise in that area. We don't know.   

Sarapuk, could you please edit your reply so it shows who said what.

If archaeology is one of your hobbies you would understand what I am putting forward. I will try to explain to you again. The layer in the snow of broken bits of tree and ripped clothes showed exactly where activity took place  at the den and the Cedar. There are no reports of activity in the snow elsewhere after the thaw.

The layers of snow are like an accelerated form of what happens in time to the earth layers. Hope that helps.

I know what you are trying to say. Snow can be used as an indicator although the actual earth is obviously much better. It does appear that that gulley if thats the right way to describe it had a largish accumulation of snow. And it was still fairly intact when they found those bodies.