Carbon monoxide posoning

[sarapuk]

Let it go..

 But there is a reason there are no new posters here..

I'm with Dona on this. I like Dona's questions. She / he, raises many awkward points, some may have been answered in the past but Dona is exploring this forum in a new way that personally I like. Took me a while to adapt but it is refreshing.

I'm on the Wolverine concept come avalanche or the winds. Next would be WABs infra sound but not seen any evidence for that. ...

Murder or KGB next but I can't see that due to the remote area.

Yeti, big foot, aliens .....nope

Yes Dona brings something different to this Forum. Not everyone agrees that what he or she brings is any good though.

Yeh, but I would guess that it could be said about all of us. We haven't found an explanation and many have been on this forum for years.

We wont find an explanation without more Evidence. We can only put forward Theories or suggestions
 and then of course its back to the Evidence quandary.

[NightLurker]

We do know that the stove was NOT used. It was not needed. Although the tent was doubled up (two tents created into one) the need for a stove with 9 people was not needed. Just by the body heat, there was no need to set it up. 4 people per tent, and you have 9, it was pretty warm in there already. Matter of fact, I would not be surprised if a small door (like a doggie door) was created to let fresh air in because it was so warm. Canvas tents have a tendency to warm up quick being that warm air has nowhere to go.

As an aside, my father owned a canvas tent from the 1960's (big) and it warmed up quite quick. Opening a window was a MUST just to circulate the air in 30 degree weather.

As for carbon monoxide poisoning, The stove was not needed, it was found not used at all. Not even set up. Did they go crazy from their own breathing? You gotta doubt that because everyone but TWO people were inside the tent when the chaos happened.

No stove. No lack of air. Something happened that they could not control.

[Manti]

Opening a window was a MUST just to circulate the air in 30 degree weather.

If this is Celsius then of course, but then it has no relevance to the Dyatlov Pass incident. If Fahrenheit, are you serious? Even buildings insulated to modern standards need heating if you want it to be warm inside in 30F (-1C) weather.

The tent was not "doubled up" as in double layer, it was extended to make it bigger. It was a single layer of canvas, I hope somehow waterproofed, otherwise it's completely useless but we don't even know if that was the case or not..

[ahabmyth]

Let it go..

 But there is a reason there are no new posters here..

Do tell us why ( I think I know already ).

[ahabmyth]

There are some good replies within this thread even going back years, and its probably one we should investigate more.
 I wrote up a theory in Theories Discussion about the possibility of the hikers being gassed by a leaky stove exhaust causing panic to exit the tent.
Now I find there are many ideas on the good old "invention" of Igors.

Now as has been stated in the diaries the stove was received well by all and used 4x, leading upto the Feb 2nd now Temp =Approx -1c to -8c.

Now on the coldest day/night yet we are to be told that "no" the stove wasnt lit that night.--------------------------Temp  = Approx -15c to -30c.

I believe it was, and because the wind virtually unscrewed the exhaust pipe, the hikers were nearly killed there and then with deadly carbon-dioxide gas.

Ok well did the hikers use the stove. Well as a matter of courtesy we know that after each use the stove is restocked with wood ready for the next use.
 We are told the log was found outside the tent - why outside - need to keep inside for drying sake and was kindling inside the stove ?. Another resident inside the stove would have been the Terminite, as from memory it stinks. Which begs belief why, if it truly was, an empty stove found (hey its an empty space ,very valuable for stowage.

When the stove was found there were 2 opposite opinions 1. That it was unused and packed away in its case. 2. That it was stowed in pieces.
Now why on earth would an empty stove be found.

The only possible way we could know if it wasn't used ,is if there is wood in the stove when they found it. "Even if the/a log was found outside the tent it does not mean that they didn't use it". " Stove used , nowhere else to restock it"
                                   
                                      We know Igor wanted to try a stove free night - but was it this night ???.

 

[Axelrod]

The topic of carbon monoxide poisoning is mentioned in the book Unknown compelling force (by Clark Wilkins).
The text of this book is very strange. This book looks like a documentary, but in fact it is very fictional.

There are many inconsistencies. The first and last corpses were found by one person. We know that this was not so.
This person has a strange Russian surname. This person is Swedish by origin, who somehow ended up in the Soviet Union.
And the situation with the stove and carbon monoxide is perhaps one of the most absurd distortions in this book.

This book is completely irritating. I don't even want to remember this book.

[ahabmyth]

The topic of carbon monoxide poisoning is mentioned in the book Unknown compelling force (by Clark Wilkins).
The text of this book is very strange. This book looks like a documentary, but in fact it is very fictional.

There are many inconsistencies. The first and last corpses were found by one person. We know that this was not so.
This person has a strange Russian surname. This person is Swedish by origin, who somehow ended up in the Soviet Union.
And the situation with the stove and carbon monoxide is perhaps one of the most absurd distortions in this book.

This book is completely irritating. I don't even want to remember this book.

OK Axelrod you cant keep us hanging what was the distortion about the stove and poisoning.

[sarapuk]

There are some good replies within this thread even going back years, and its probably one we should investigate more.
 I wrote up a theory in Theories Discussion about the possibility of the hikers being gassed by a leaky stove exhaust causing panic to exit the tent.
Now I find there are many ideas on the good old "invention" of Igors.

Now as has been stated in the diaries the stove was received well by all and used 4x, leading upto the Feb 2nd now Temp =Approx -1c to -8c.

Now on the coldest day/night yet we are to be told that "no" the stove wasnt lit that night.--------------------------Temp  = Approx -15c to -30c.

I believe it was, and because the wind virtually unscrewed the exhaust pipe, the hikers were nearly killed there and then with deadly carbon-dioxide gas.








Its certainly useful to have different interpretations thrown at the Forum because who knows it might lead to someone having a brain wave. This Dyatlov mystery is certainly needing a brain wave moment. It goes on and on and on.

Ok well did the hikers use the stove. Well as a matter of courtesy we know that after each use the stove is restocked with wood ready for the next use.
 We are told the log was found outside the tent - why outside - need to keep inside for drying sake and was kindling inside the stove ?. Another resident inside the stove would have been the Terminite, as from memory it stinks. Which begs belief why, if it truly was, an empty stove found (hey its an empty space ,very valuable for stowage.

When the stove was found there were 2 opposite opinions 1. That it was unused and packed away in its case. 2. That it was stowed in pieces.
Now why on earth would an empty stove be found.

The only possible way we could know if it wasn't used ,is if there is wood in the stove when they found it. "Even if the/a log was found outside the tent it does not mean that they didn't use it". " Stove used , nowhere else to restock it"
                                   
                                      We know Igor wanted to try a stove free night - but was it this night ???.

 

[Hunter]

One drawback of camp stoves is that they can't accommodate large-diameter firewood. The criminal case file mentions a small log; there's no information about firewood in the stove.
Even if we assume that there is firewood in the stove, the total amount of firewood would still be enough for the stove to work for 2 hours.