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Expedition plan:
July 17 train from Yekaterinburg to Ivdel
Train:
From Ekb on July 17 (Monday) train No. 127 departing at 17.28 places, car 5.
Arrives in Ivdel on July 18 (Tue) at 02.51 local.
On July 18, transfer to the ford of Auspiya with Dmitry Pushin on gas-66 and crossing 10-12 km. up the river Auspiya.
On July 19, the transition to the parking lot of Yu.K. Kuntsevich
From July 20 to July 27, individual and joint expedition activities in the area from the Dyatlov Pass to Otorten.
July 27-28 or July 28 the main group of participants descends to the ford of Auspiya
On July 29, the main group of participants will be transported by car to the Ivdel railway station or bus station. In the evening boarding a train or bus to Yekaterinburg.
Train:
From Ivdel to Yekb on July 29 (Sat) train No. 128 departing at 22.14 places, car 4.
Arrives in Ekb July 30 (Sun) at 07.48 local.

The second part of the expedition
July 27 or 28 transition to GUKh
July 29, the transition to the place where Valery Anyamov found a piece-wafer of the rocket skin. Area radiation measurements. Looking for other pieces
July 30, 31, August 1,2,3 going through a temporary portal to another dimension and studying ancient artifacts, megaliths and caves. The search for secret huts of poachers of the USSR. Enjoy the unique remote mountainous nature of the Northern Urals. Crossings without trails for 5-6 km. per day with evening fishing for trophy grayling. We don’t take fish out of the portal, we only eat it exclusively.
On August 4, the transition to the hut on the Khozya River
August 5 day at Khozya's hut
On August 6, crossing towards the Mt. Halatchakhl
August 7, crossing to the Kuntsevich camp
August 8 crossing down the Auspiya
August 9, crossing to the ford of Auspiya, searching for the Mansi labaz

Third part of the expedition
On August 10, crossing to Lozva 5 km., Searching for the Mansi storage shed
August 11 rafting to 2 Northern. The search for the exact location of the former house where the Dyatlov group spent the night
August 12 rafting to Treskolie, studying the life of the Mansi. Fishing throughout the rafting.
August 13 rafting to Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 14 day in Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of the Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 15 rafting up to 41 quarters, exploring the territory
August 16 rafting to the 55 quarter
August 17 rafting to the mouth of the river Kotlia
August 18 rafting to Vizhay
August 19 moving to Ivdel
August 20 arrival in Yekaterinburg
August 21, 22 by train to Novokuznetsk
(+ two or three days for bad weather during the rafting)
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The project is not commercial. I invite everyone to join for any period of the expedition. Everyone has their own equipment, their own products and their own pot for autonomous food. It is possible to combine the process of preparing breakfast and dinner.
To Ivdel by railway transport. Pick-up and drop-off on a GAZ-66 (6-7 hours drive) to the ford of Auspiya costs 3.0-3.5 thousand rubles one way. Calculation with the driver on the spot.
Flights are not every day. You need to find out and agree in advance.
Or you can book the whole car for yourself for 22-25 thousand rubles, where 10-11 people with backpacks fit.
Those wishing to join, write. I can tell you all the incomprehensible nuances and details in a personal, I will answer questions.



Предварительный план экспедиции:
17 июля поезд из Екатеринбурга до Ивделя
Поезд:
Из Екб на 17 июля (пн) поезд № 127 отправлением в 17.28 мест, вагон 5.
Прибывает в Ивдель 18 июля (вт) в 02.51 местного.
18 июля заброска на брод Ауспии с Дмитрием Пушиным на газ-66 и переход 10-12 км. вверх по реке Ауспия.
19 июля переход до стоянки Ю.К.Кунцевича
С 20 по 27 июля индивидуальные и совместные мероприятия экспедиции в районе от перевала Дятлова до Отортена.
27-28 июля или 28 июля основная группа участников спускается до брода Ауспии
29 июля основная группа участников выбрасывается на машине до Ж\Д вокзала Ивделя или автовокзала. Вечером посадка в поезд или автобус до Екатеринбурга.
Поезд:
Из Ивделя в Екб на 29 июля (сб) поезд №128 отправлением в 22.14 мест, вагон 4.
Прибывает в Екб 30 июля (вс) в 07.48 местного.

Вторая часть экспедиции
27 или 28 июля переход на ГУХ
29 июля переход до места, где Валерием Анямовым был найден кусок-вафля обшивки ракеты. Замеры радиации местности. Поиски других кусков
30, 31 июля, 1,2,3 августа переход через временной портал в другое измерение и изучение древних артефактов, мегалитов и пещер. Поиски тайных изб браконьеров СССР. Наслаждение уникальной труднодоступной горной природой Северного Урала. Переходы без троп по 5-6 км. в день с вечерней рыбалкой на трофейного хариуса. Рыбу из портала не выносим, ей исключительно только питаемся.
4 августа переход до избы на реке Хозья
5 августа днёвка на избе Хозья
6 августа переход в сторону г.Халатчахль
7 августа переход до стоянки Кунцевича
8 августа переход вниз по Ауспии
9 августа переход до брода Ауспии, поиски мансийского лабаза

Третья часть экспедиции
10 августа переход до Лозьвы 5км., поиски мансийского лабаза
11 августа сплав до 2 Северного. Поиски точного место бывшего дома, в котором ночевала группа Дятлова
12 августа сплав до Тресколье, изучение быта манси. Рыбалка на протяжении всего сплава.
13 августа сплав до Ушмы, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
14 августа днёвка в Ушме, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
15 августа сплав до 41 квартала, изучение территории
16 августа сплав до 55 квартала
17 августа сплав до устья р.Котлия
18 августа сплав до п.Вижай
19 августа переезд до Ивделя
20 августа прибытие в Екатеринбург
21, 22 августа поездом до Новокузнецка
(+две-три днёвки на плохую погоду во время сплава)
=============
Проект не коммерческий. Приглашаю всех желающих присоединиться на любой промежуток экспедиции. У каждого своё снаряжение, свои продукты и свой котелок для автономного питания. Есть возможность объединить процесс приготовления завтрака и ужина.
До Ивделя Ж/Д транспортом. Заброска и выброска на ГАЗ-66 (6-7 часов езды) до брода Ауспии стоит 3,0-3,5 тыс. рублей в один конец. Расчёт с водителем на месте.
Рейсы не каждый день. Нужно заранее выяснять и договариваться.
Или можно забронировать под себя всю машину за 22-25 тыс. рублей, куда помещается 10-11 человек с рюкзаками.
Желающие присоединиться, пишите. Все непонятные нюансы и подробности могу рассказать в личку, отвечу на вопросы
« Last Edit: May 18, 2023, 12:27:24 AM by Teddy »
 

May 13, 2023, 08:43:39 PM
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The start of the expedition has shifted by 2 days. The transfer from Ivdel to Auspiya will take place on July 18. Participants are already buying train tickets by this date
 

May 13, 2023, 08:45:23 PM
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.
 

May 13, 2023, 10:57:36 PM
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.
1. in the summer, it is not correct to conduct experiments in accordance with Dyatlov's February campaign.
2. Your route is the same all the time, isn't it time to introduce something new?
3. Wishes: change the route, explore the territory of the military unit 6602 Ivdellaga. I assume that after the murder, the tourists were buried for some time on the territory of the Ivdellag. The killers may also have been vohrovtsy Ivdellaga. The search engines were the military of Ivdellag. Military unit 6602 existed in the 80s. You can explore these places.
 

May 14, 2023, 03:04:32 AM
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.

Because the Mansi were told not to use local streams, this maintained for years after the DPI, and all males bar one were said to be ill at home when the hikers died, and their deer had been dying off, I'd be interested in water samples being taken, particularly from the watercourse close to where the hikers made their labaz.

Ideally such samples should be taken in winter when the water flow reduces and the rivers are covered in ice and snow which blocks off light and may stagnate the water, but summer samples may act as a control.

I believe the hikers took a chance, pushed for time that morning making their labaz, collecting lots of firewood, and without a campfire to melt snow or boil water for hot drinks in their flasks, they filled up their flasks for the next 24hrs at altitude with unsterilised water, and later, sat eating and drinking in their part-erected tent, they suffered a poisoning, causing high fever and stomach cramps, and this saw them leave to find a freshwater ravine between two peaks, and possibly to take the tin of condensed milk found at the cedar with them, as water or milk are the medical antidotes in such circumstances.

At the foot of 1079 the group included people then too ill to return to the tent. The intention, on a still night (tent not fully supported/matches lit a fire) was never to remain away which is why they didn't take tools, so an ill-equipped battle for survival took place where they were. All injuries are explained by seizures, fluid around mouths, convulsions near a fire causing burns where two men already prone do not suffer fractures, biting into a tongue, and flail chests and head injuries through collapse without any attempt to break the fall (no broken collar bones or hand/wrist injury). A den was made to house 4 while 3 returned to the tent, but by the time it was completed the 4 had died or become unreponsive and their bodies were placed in the ravine, or they had been sheltered there while it was made.
My DPI approach - logic, probability and reason, and the filtering out of irrelevant information which only defocuses the big picture.
 
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May 14, 2023, 08:58:43 AM
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I ask you to write your wishes to the expedition members about the experiments that need to be carried out.

Because the Mansi were told not to use local streams, this maintained for years after the DPI, and all males bar one were said to be ill at home when the hikers died, and their deer had been dying off, I'd be interested in water samples being taken, particularly from the watercourse close to where the hikers made their labaz.

Ideally such samples should be taken in winter when the water flow reduces and the rivers are covered in ice and snow which blocks off light and may stagnate the water, but summer samples may act as a control.

I believe the hikers took a chance, pushed for time that morning making their labaz, collecting lots of firewood, and without a campfire to melt snow or boil water for hot drinks in their flasks, they filled up their flasks for the next 24hrs at altitude with unsterilised water, and later, sat eating and drinking in their part-erected tent, they suffered a poisoning, causing high fever and stomach cramps, and this saw them leave to find a freshwater ravine between two peaks, and possibly to take the tin of condensed milk found at the cedar with them, as water or milk are the medical antidotes in such circumstances.

At the foot of 1079 the group included people then too ill to return to the tent. The intention, on a still night (tent not fully supported/matches lit a fire) was never to remain away which is why they didn't take tools, so an ill-equipped battle for survival took place where they were. All injuries are explained by seizures, fluid around mouths, convulsions near a fire causing burns where two men already prone do not suffer fractures, biting into a tongue, and flail chests and head injuries through collapse without any attempt to break the fall (no broken collar bones or hand/wrist injury). A den was made to house 4 while 3 returned to the tent, but by the time it was completed the 4 had died or become unreponsive and their bodies were placed in the ravine, or they had been sheltered there while it was made.
All the upper reaches of the rivers and streams of the Northern Urals with crystal clear water, which is much cleaner than the water that flows from the tap in Russian cities. All tourists drink it without boiling. No one ever carries other water with them. We drink. And everyone who came there before us drinks. If we take the place of the storehouse, then in the summer of 1963, from the nearest source of water, a tributary of the Auspiya River, the Yakimenko tourist group stood there for several days and drank water. The searchers of 1959 drank the same water in winter. They drank for a long time .. No one takes water from the swamps They take cold water that flows
Все верховья рек и ручьёв Северного Урала с кристально-чистой водой, которая намного чище, чем та вода, которая течёт из крана в российских городах. Все туристы её пьют без кипячения. Другую воду с собой никто никогда не несёт.. Мы пьём. И пьют все, кто приходил туда до нас.. Если взять именно место лабаза, то летом 1963 года из ближайшего источника воды, притока реки Ауспия, туристическая группа Якименко стояли там несколько дней и пили воду. Поисковики 1959 года пили эту же воду зимой. Пили долгое время.. Из болот никто воду не берёт Берут холодную воду, которая течёт
 

May 14, 2023, 10:43:43 PM
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3. Wishes: change the route, explore the territory of the military unit 6602 Ivdellaga.
I even admit that, for example, the remains of Kolevatov and Thibault (whose posthumous photos we have not seen because of, for example, obvious bullet wounds) may still rest in the Ivdel pit, and for witnesses, the remains of unknown people were laid out on the pass. The same thing could have happened to Luda Dubinina, who cannot be identified in a post-mortem photograph, and an unknown well-fed lady was found in the stream, whose face is not shown or photographed. Undoubtedly, there were many unmarked graves in Ivdellag.
 

May 17, 2023, 11:44:12 PM
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Changing the preliminary plan of the expedition
I ask the moderators to change the first post to a new one: Done [Teddy]

Expedition plan:
July 17 train from Yekaterinburg to Ivdel
Train:
From Ekb on July 17 (Monday) train No. 127 departing at 17.28 places, car 5.
Arrives in Ivdel on July 18 (Tue) at 02.51 local.
On July 18, transfer to the ford of Auspiya with Dmitry Pushin on gas-66 and crossing 10-12 km. up the river Auspiya.
On July 19, the transition to the parking lot of Yu.K. Kuntsevich
From July 20 to July 27, individual and joint expedition activities in the area from the Dyatlov Pass to Otorten.
July 27-28 or July 28 the main group of participants descends to the ford of Auspiya
On July 29, the main group of participants will be transported by car to the Ivdel railway station or bus station. In the evening boarding a train or bus to Yekaterinburg.
Train:
From Ivdel to Yekb on July 29 (Sat) train No. 128 departing at 22.14 places, car 4.
Arrives in Ekb July 30 (Sun) at 07.48 local.

The second part of the expedition
July 27 or 28 transition to GUKh
July 29, the transition to the place where Valery Anyamov found a piece-wafer of the rocket skin. Area radiation measurements. Looking for other pieces
July 30, 31, August 1,2,3 going through a temporary portal to another dimension and studying ancient artifacts, megaliths and caves. The search for secret huts of poachers of the USSR. Enjoy the unique remote mountainous nature of the Northern Urals. Crossings without trails for 5-6 km. per day with evening fishing for trophy grayling. We don’t take fish out of the portal, we only eat it exclusively.
On August 4, the transition to the hut on the Khozya River
August 5 day at Khozya's hut
On August 6, crossing towards the Mt. Halatchakhl
August 7, crossing to the Kuntsevich camp
August 8 crossing down the Auspiya
August 9, crossing to the ford of Auspiya, searching for the Mansi labaz

Third part of the expedition
On August 10, crossing to Lozva 5 km., Searching for the Mansi storage shed
August 11 rafting to 2 Northern. The search for the exact location of the former house where the Dyatlov group spent the night
August 12 rafting to Treskolie, studying the life of the Mansi. Fishing throughout the rafting.
August 13 rafting to Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 14 day in Ushma, search for the remains of a hut at the mouth of the Ushminka from a tourist report of 1958
August 15 rafting up to 41 quarters, exploring the territory
August 16 rafting to the 55 quarter
August 17 rafting to the mouth of the river Kotlia
August 18 rafting to Vizhay
August 19 moving to Ivdel
August 20 arrival in Yekaterinburg
August 21, 22 by train to Novokuznetsk
(+ two or three days for bad weather during the rafting)
=============
The project is not commercial. I invite everyone to join for any period of the expedition. Everyone has their own equipment, their own products and their own pot for autonomous food. It is possible to combine the process of preparing breakfast and dinner.
To Ivdel by railway transport. Pick-up and drop-off on a GAZ-66 (6-7 hours drive) to the ford of Auspiya costs 3.0-3.5 thousand rubles one way. Calculation with the driver on the spot.
Flights are not every day. You need to find out and agree in advance.
Or you can book the whole car for yourself for 22-25 thousand rubles, where 10-11 people with backpacks fit.
Those wishing to join, write. I can tell you all the incomprehensible nuances and details in a personal, I will answer questions.



Изменение предварительного плана экспедиции
Прошу модераторов изменить первый пост на новый: Done [Teddy]

Предварительный план экспедиции:
17 июля поезд из Екатеринбурга до Ивделя
Поезд:
Из Екб на 17 июля (пн) поезд № 127 отправлением в 17.28 мест, вагон 5.
Прибывает в Ивдель 18 июля (вт) в 02.51 местного.
18 июля заброска на брод Ауспии с Дмитрием Пушиным на газ-66 и переход 10-12 км. вверх по реке Ауспия.
19 июля переход до стоянки Ю.К.Кунцевича
С 20 по 27 июля индивидуальные и совместные мероприятия экспедиции в районе от перевала Дятлова до Отортена.
27-28 июля или 28 июля основная группа участников спускается до брода Ауспии
29 июля основная группа участников выбрасывается на машине до Ж\Д вокзала Ивделя или автовокзала. Вечером посадка в поезд или автобус до Екатеринбурга.
Поезд:
Из Ивделя в Екб на 29 июля (сб) поезд №128 отправлением в 22.14 мест, вагон 4.
Прибывает в Екб 30 июля (вс) в 07.48 местного.

Вторая часть экспедиции
27 или 28 июля переход на ГУХ
29 июля переход до места, где Валерием Анямовым был найден кусок-вафля обшивки ракеты. Замеры радиации местности. Поиски других кусков
30, 31 июля, 1,2,3 августа переход через временной портал в другое измерение и изучение древних артефактов, мегалитов и пещер. Поиски тайных изб браконьеров СССР. Наслаждение уникальной труднодоступной горной природой Северного Урала. Переходы без троп по 5-6 км. в день с вечерней рыбалкой на трофейного хариуса. Рыбу из портала не выносим, ей исключительно только питаемся.
4 августа переход до избы на реке Хозья
5 августа днёвка на избе Хозья
6 августа переход в сторону г.Халатчахль
7 августа переход до стоянки Кунцевича
8 августа переход вниз по Ауспии
9 августа переход до брода Ауспии, поиски мансийского лабаза

Третья часть экспедиции
10 августа переход до Лозьвы 5км., поиски мансийского лабаза
11 августа сплав до 2 Северного. Поиски точного место бывшего дома, в котором ночевала группа Дятлова
12 августа сплав до Тресколье, изучение быта манси. Рыбалка на протяжении всего сплава.
13 августа сплав до Ушмы, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
14 августа днёвка в Ушме, поиски остатков избы на устье Ушминки из туристического отчёта 1958 года
15 августа сплав до 41 квартала, изучение территории
16 августа сплав до 55 квартала
17 августа сплав до устья р.Котлия
18 августа сплав до п.Вижай
19 августа переезд до Ивделя
20 августа прибытие в Екатеринбург
21, 22 августа поездом до Новокузнецка
(+две-три днёвки на плохую погоду во время сплава)
=============
Проект не коммерческий. Приглашаю всех желающих присоединиться на любой промежуток экспедиции. У каждого своё снаряжение, свои продукты и свой котелок для автономного питания. Есть возможность объединить процесс приготовления завтрака и ужина.
До Ивделя Ж/Д транспортом. Заброска и выброска на ГАЗ-66 (6-7 часов езды) до брода Ауспии стоит 3,0-3,5 тыс. рублей в один конец. Расчёт с водителем на месте.
Рейсы не каждый день. Нужно заранее выяснять и договариваться.
Или можно забронировать под себя всю машину за 22-25 тыс. рублей, куда помещается 10-11 человек с рюкзаками.
Желающие присоединиться, пишите. Все непонятные нюансы и подробности могу рассказать в личку, отвечу на вопросы
« Last Edit: May 18, 2023, 12:29:04 AM by Teddy »
 

May 17, 2023, 11:45:58 PM
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So far the Expedition consists of 7:
A. Alekseenkov, Sh. Sabirov, A. Konstantinov, Teodora, Irina Voronina and Olga and me. There are still 3-4 places in the GAZ-66 that will give us a lift.

Уже семь участников Экспедиции
А.Алексеенков, Ш.Сабиров, А.Константинов, Теодора, Ирина Воронина и мы с Ольгой. Осталось 3-4 места в ГАЗ-66 на заброску.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2023, 12:33:53 AM by Teddy »
 

May 18, 2023, 09:30:31 AM
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July 30, 31, August 1,2,3 going through a temporary portal to another dimension and studying ancient artifacts, megaliths and caves. The search for secret huts of poachers of the USSR. Enjoy the unique remote mountainous nature of the Northern Urals. Crossings without trails for 5-6 km. per day with evening fishing for trophy grayling. We don’t take fish out of the portal, we only eat it exclusively.
Gotta love Google translate  lol2


 

May 18, 2023, 10:34:51 AM
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Actually this time Google is pretty close to what Oleg is saying. It sounds this weird in Russian too. Can't wait and see. I am going.
 
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May 19, 2023, 08:06:27 AM
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There are still 3-4 places in the GAZ-66 that will give us a lift.
Invite this guy with you, he's a cool, fearless taiga tourist. He often goes on solo hikes even in winter.

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May 20, 2023, 12:37:31 PM
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There are still 3-4 places in the GAZ-66 that will give us a lift.

Invite this guy with you, he's a cool, fearless taiga tourist. He often goes on solo hikes even in winter.
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Why fill the thread with spam?
Request to the moderators, clean up the topic and move these videos to the topics of Anna Russian

Зачем забивать тему спамом?
Просьба к модераторам, почистить тему и перенести эти видео в темы Анны Русской
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May 20, 2023, 12:41:09 PM
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I don't have an edit post button. It is very uncomfortable
 

May 21, 2023, 04:34:02 AM
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I brought this editing issue to our administrators and they checked and confirmed that the editing function somehow got turned off. It should be fixed now.
 
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May 21, 2023, 09:14:43 AM
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This is not spam. I suggested Oleg to take an experienced and fearless hiker to the vacant place.  I wanted to delete an extra photo, but there is no "edit" function on the forum.

I was hoping that Oleg would thank me that I had found a worthy candidate for an empty seat.

finally, the "edit" function appeared.
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May 21, 2023, 10:08:10 AM
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This is not spam. I suggested Oleg to take an experienced and fearless hiker to the vacant place.  I wanted to delete an extra photo, but there is no "edit" function on the forum.

I was hoping that Oleg would thank me that I had found a worthy candidate for an empty seat.

finally, the "edit" function appeared.

I think you should go, Anna.

"This is intrepid Anna reporting from Dyatlov Pass via satellite/Android. Today we find smoking gun. Oleg's metal detector has dug up KGB-issue pistol, circa 1958!"
My DPI approach - logic, probability and reason, and the filtering out of irrelevant information which only defocuses the big picture.
 

May 21, 2023, 11:33:51 PM
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I think you should go, Anna.
1. Evidence of the presence of military and KGB officers at the pass should be sought in archival documents. The soldier's winding, found in the spring of 1959, is an important evidence of the presence of the military, who could have been the liquidators of the Dyatlov group.
2. The loss of weapons was severely punished, and therefore it is unlikely to be possible to find a gun. (I appreciated your humor)
3. Of course, we need to keep looking for artifacts in the cedar, the creek and the helicopter landing zone.
4. If I were younger, I might have gone on this hike. In 2001 and 2002, I walked 170 km with the Procession. It wasn't easy. Russian Russian soldiers from Florida were with us, I remember, probably sent to pray for the entire Russian diaspora. So did the American professor-historian Larry E. Holmes. Memoirs of this procession were written and published. You can read: https://proza.ru/2022/06/03/622 
https://pycckux.livejournal.com/409536.html quote from Professor Larry: This procession was the most difficult physical test in my life.
5. On June 3, 2023, the Procession leaves Vyatka again.

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May 30, 2023, 10:13:30 PM
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Expedition 2023 already has ten participants
В экспедиции 2023 уже десять участников
 

May 30, 2023, 10:27:07 PM
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For me, in this expedition, the most important task is to search for and examine this iron pipe, which was found in 2008 by Yuri Yudin and Leonid Rokotyan.
Для меня в этой экспедиции важнейшей задачей является поиск и обследование вот этой железной трубы, которая была найдена в 2008 году Юрием Юдиным и Леонидом Рокотяном.

Is there carbon deposits inside the pipe? Was the pipe used for the stove in the tent of the searchers and why was it thrown away?
Or is it a drilling casing that belonged to geologists?
This pipe was found 150-200 meters below the ravine and flooring, on the 4th right tributary of the Lozva, not far from the four bodies.
Есть ли нагар внутри трубы? Применялась ли труба для печи в палатке поисковиков и почему её выкинули?
Или это обсадная труба для бурения, которая принадлежала геологам?
Эта труба была найдена на 150-200 метров ниже оврага и настила, на 4 правом притоке Лозьвы, совсем недалеко от четвёрки тел.
On the expedition of 2022, we met a hermit who lives 70 kilometers west of Mount Halatchakhl. He assured us that in the region of Mount Otorten, under the USSR, tests were carried out for charges for underground nuclear explosions.
For such explosions, wells are drilled and a nuclear charge is lowered underground through a casing pipe.
I talked about this in more detail in this video:
В экспедиции 2022 года мы встретили отшельника, который живёт в 70 километрах к западу от горы Халатчахль. Он нас уверял, что в районе горы Отортен при СССР проводились испытание зарядов для подземных ядерных взрывов.
Для подобных взрывов бурятся скважины и по обсадной трубе под землю опускается ядерный заряд.
Более подробно об этом я рассказал в этом видео:
https://youtu.be/0iNgULeEomQ?t=2123
 
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May 31, 2023, 12:33:19 AM
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May 31, 2023, 08:34:17 AM
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And was it carefully lowered down from a helicopter to a work zone, or dropped from the sky...

1:47 to 1:51 in this Youtube clip:


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May 31, 2023, 08:51:42 AM
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May 31, 2023, 12:54:17 PM
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There were no signs of a nuclear explosion:
1. all the trees are intact, the search engines did not notice the massive fallen trees.
2. The tent is intact, it was cut by M. Sharavin.
3. The bodies are whole, not torn to pieces.
4. Animals were not lying dead everywhere. In M . Askinazi told how they caught non-frightened quails with their own hands.
5. The search engines reported that there were no signs of a military training ground on the pass, no scattered iron.
6. The Sports Commission let the tourists through without any problems.
 

May 31, 2023, 11:52:40 PM
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June 01, 2023, 01:21:02 AM
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Certainly not form the inside.
Interview with M. Sharavin 2010:
The tent was under hard snow... there were skis, an ice axe near the tent.... And nothing else. It was clear that the guys had suffered a big accident. We cut through part of the tent with an ice axe and saw inside jackets, backpacks, skis, a stove, a camera..... the flask of alcohol that we took with us.
 

June 01, 2023, 01:30:39 AM
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Anna, read what I said, the keyword being FROM THE INSIDE:
Certainly not from the inside.
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June 01, 2023, 02:37:16 AM
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Anna, read what I said, the keyword being FROM THE INSIDE:
Certainly not from the inside.
Yes, I understood and agree that the tent was not cut from the inside... And the proof of this is the interview of Mikhail Sharavin.
 

June 01, 2023, 04:13:08 AM
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Anna, read what I said, the keyword being FROM THE INSIDE:
Certainly not from the inside.
Yes, I understood and agree that the tent was not cut from the inside... And the proof of this is the interview of Mikhail Sharavin.

When the tent was set up indoors for forensic examination some of the cuts were found to have been made from the inside, using a blade. I think that was the point Teddy was making.

With the tent covered in hard snow Mikhail Sharavin may not have noticed those, otherwise logically he could have exploited them to gain entry, rather than making his own using an ice axe.

It's a great pity he was never called upon to give a witness statement, being subordinate to his search group leader.
My DPI approach - logic, probability and reason, and the filtering out of irrelevant information which only defocuses the big picture.
 

June 01, 2023, 10:42:58 AM
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The tent was cut from the inside.
https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-303-304

anna_pycckux, why do you insist on wasting everybody's time?