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March 08, 2024, 06:50:33 PM
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Rescuers find ski traces leading from Boot Rock toward the tent. The tent is covered with snow and has to be dug out. The area just beyond the tent is scoured leaving raised footprints. Further down the slope they are again covered. The Ravine 4 were found under a dozen feet of it. Each and every other body was covered to some degree.

It suggests that there was blowing snow. It suggests that snow of different hardnesses existed at the time of discovery of the hikers. The depth of snow in the ravine suggests windblown deposit from the slope above.

This is consistent with the suggestion that there was sufficient snow on 1079 that the hikers had to cut into in to make a level base for their tent. It points to strong winds building a snowbank windward of the tent which failed in a heavy wind. This same wind blew loose snow into the forest and deposited it as the trees blocked its progress.

It seems clear that a slab slip on the tent caused it to collapse. The collapse was a suffocation hazard. Once hikers exited the tent, the continued gale and the volume of snow on the tent made it unsafe to retrieve gear. The prudent course of action would be tomshelter in the woods and wait out the winds. However, in a grey--out blizzard, distances could only be guessed at. Instead of walking a few city blocks length to the trees, it was several times,further.

There is a point of no return where it just makes sense to keep going because returning would be too perilous. This is why they went the distance dressed as they were. This is why, after climbing the cedar and locating the general direction of the tent, three attempted to return while allowing the rest to shelter. We know the rest of the story.
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March 09, 2024, 01:05:28 AM
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Rescuers find ski traces leading from Boot Rock toward the tent.

Can you elaborate where did you read this, please.
 

March 09, 2024, 03:44:37 AM
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Can you elaborate where did you read this, please.
Bartolomey, in one of his memoirs, says that in some sections of the slope between Pereval and Palatka, he saw sections of the ski track that had melted from under the snow, rising above the surface in the form of a rail. This is a common occurrence. What distinguishes it from high footprints on the slope is that they appeared on the surface as a result of the action of the sun, not the wind. They formed only in local depressions in the relief where snow lingers. Immediately after the creation of the skitrack it was covered with snow, and at the end of March the sun evaporated the uncompacted snow to the right and left of it. The trail compacted by skis melts and evaporates more slowly, so Bartolomey was able to see them
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March 09, 2024, 04:56:28 AM
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Can you elaborate where did you read this, please.
Bartolomey, in one of his memoirs, says that in some sections of the slope between Pereval and Palatka, he saw sections of the ski track that had melted from under the snow, rising above the surface in the form of a rail.

Bartolomey was on the pass Mar 13-23. Whatever he saw was not left by the Dyatlov group.
 

March 09, 2024, 09:35:07 AM
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Whatever he saw was not left by the Dyatlov group.
Of course, one cannot be 100% sure that this ski track belonged to the Dyatlov group. But to assume that she belonged search groups - also not easy: it’s unlikely that the Pass - Tent route was so popular with them -- the search area was located down the slope.

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March 09, 2024, 10:07:16 AM
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Hi Partorg

Do you have the link for his memoirs?.

I've looked and found this in 2007
Syunikaev Khamza Fazilovich letter to Petr Ivanovich Bartolomey. Oddly enough, they talk about missiles from a submarine?


https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2007-ru

I remember reading years ago about footprints or ski tracks around the tent but have never found it again.
 

March 10, 2024, 06:06:33 AM
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Hi Ziljoe!
I know nothing about the existence of the memoirs (book of memories) of Bartolomey. His memoirs in interview format are scattered across many websites. Some of them mention a ski track which he considers to belong to the Dyatlov group. Without resorting to searching, I can give only one link: https://taina.li/forum/index.php?msg=69477
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When we approached there for the first time on March 6, we saw «traces - columns» both from the feet of people leaving, in our opinion, running away, and from the skis of the approaching Dyatlov group.


(Когда же 6 марта мы подошли туда первый раз, то увидели «следы – столбики» как от ног уходящих, по нашему мнению, убегающих людей, так и от лыж подошедшей группы Дятлова)

Syunikaev's memories consist of 80 percent pseudo-reminiscences and simply fantasies. You can ignore them, like Korotaev’s, Gamatina's, Kuzminov's «memoriеs».
 
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March 10, 2024, 11:14:53 AM
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Thanks Partorg.

Interesting link.