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April 20, 2024, 09:37:21 PM
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Everyone and Teddy:

Okay, I read everyone reply and  I realize I didn't view all the photos and I'm talking about previous years with all 9 hikers....and the holes are consistent with holding the tent up with 'POLES"....don't know if it is the same "Tent"...
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Please if anyone could clarify what did Lyuda meant (copied and paste) in the Unknown Diary, Lyuda stated there are some many holes in the tent...and what I'm talking about is "Cuts" of the Tent and the "Holes" in the tent???


Lyuda quickly got tired and sat down by the fire. Nick Tibo changed his clothes. He began to write a diary. The law is that until all the work is done, do not approach the fire. And so they had a long argument, of who will sew the tent. Finally K. Tibo gave up and took a needle. Lyuda remained seated. And we sewed the hole (and there were so many that there was enough work for all except two attendants and Lyuda. Guys are terribly outraged.

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April 26, 2024, 10:49:08 AM
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Due to 1. aging, and/or 2. bad/wet storage, and/or 3. friction/tension during handeling, the seams of the tent may/might have partly warn out.

Personally I have thought that these holes had been caused by wear of an older tent, like wear/aging of clothing the seams make come loose.

 

April 26, 2024, 04:22:15 PM
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GlennM


Before addrssing the business of who got in a snit about sewing a patch on a tent, it would be better to know who wrote the diary. It can not be that hard. There are handwriting samples for all.

Next, this inquiry about patching the tent is leading and of no significant intrinsic value.. I think the sub rosa intent is to argue for some sort of protest and revolt at a critical juncture. 

On the whole, I get the feeling that gender equality was an issue on the hike with the younger generation, but not Zolo who was past that nonsense.. In a mixed group like the DP9, the undercurrent of sexual tension produces frustration which begets aggression.  To sublimate the sexual urges, there is much intellectualization and petty power plays evidenced in the diaries. For example, lets go see a romantic movie as many times as we can and then have an " adult" conversation about love and romance etc. It is not the same between the sexes. but the charade must constantly be reinforced by making rules and obeying them. Someone will likely become the altruistic punisher in the group. There are dozens of names we give to that sort of person, most are not nice.

Then,  this is thread is leading to the idea that it wasn't weather, assasins nor critters that precipitated their leaving the tent for the woods. It was, instead a " hissy fit" leading one or more people to go storming off out of the tent poorly dressed to pout. Eventually they all left the tent and collected themselves as a group. They did not go back. We know what followed. If true, it was easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a needle through a canvas patch.
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April 27, 2024, 10:39:45 AM
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Before addrssing the business of who got in a snit about sewing a patch on a tent, it would be better to know who wrote the diary.
maybe it was Dyatlov's diary. In old inet materials (hibinafiles) it belongs to Dyatlov.

So. why prosecutors decided that it is Kolmogorova's diary?
 

April 27, 2024, 07:22:40 PM
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Everyone and Teddy:


I'm not talking about anything about "Sexual",  what I'm talking about was the "Sewing".... difference of "Tent being "Cut"....
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April 27, 2024, 09:30:26 PM
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Some of the holes that you circle in white could be the patched holes that the diary refers to I suppose.

It does seem a bit odd that none of the testimonies mention finding the tent in shreds like we see here. The tent looks like it has fixed ground sheet, as in the ground sheet is joined to the sides but I could be wrong. I think it was uncommon.

If it was a fixed ground sheet it would make sense for the searcher's to rip/cut it open from the top side but it's not recorded anywhere that this is what was done. This might be in fear of someone getting into trouble for not doing things correctly but it is a chaotic mess of holes, rips and cuts.

There seems to be too many random cuts for a quick internal exit and ....too many random cuts for external entry by the searcher's.

Having said that, I am assuming that some of the photos show the tent being stapled or sewn back together to aid the investigation in to how the tent looked when in one piece.

The first searcher got his hands in some how to acces the contents and find no bodies whilst taking some of the belongings. Just more annoying facts that we can't be sure of.
 

April 27, 2024, 10:56:22 PM
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Everyone and Teddy: Please if anyone could clarify what did Lyuda meant (copied and paste) in the Unknown Diary, Lyuda stated there are some many holes in the tent...and what I'm talking about is "Cuts" of the Tent and the "Holes" in the tent???

From the testimony of forester Pashin, see case sheet 49, from the interrogation of forester Pashin, it can be concluded that the tent was not cut on February 24 because there were things inside, but he does not say that everything inside is covered with snow. The tent was later cut down by M. Sharavin. The forester did not see any traces of Dyatlov's group, although the forester is a professional in detecting human or animal tracks. In the photo: the tent is not covered with snow, but scattered with a shovel. Conclusion: tourists did not cut the tent themselves, did not run out into the cold naked. This is exactly what the forgers convince us of.
 
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April 28, 2024, 12:19:55 AM
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Everyone and Teddy: Please if anyone could clarify what did Lyuda meant (copied and paste) in the Unknown Diary, Lyuda stated there are some many holes in the tent...and what I'm talking about is "Cuts" of the Tent and the "Holes" in the tent???

From the testimony of forester Pashin, see case sheet 49, from the interrogation of forester Pashin, it can be concluded that the tent was not cut on February 24 because there were things inside, but he does not say that everything inside is covered with snow. The tent was later cut down by M. Sharavin. The forester did not see any traces of Dyatlov's group, although the forester is a professional in detecting human or animal tracks. In the photo: the tent is not covered with snow, but scattered with a shovel. Conclusion: tourists did not cut the tent themselves, did not run out into the cold naked. This is exactly what the forgers convince us of.

I read a bit differently Anna.

Pashin did not find the tent, others in his group did later on the 27th of February. Pashin did find a number of traces of both the hikers and Mansi ski trails along with two campsites. One campsite was an earlier campsite of the hikers and another of Mansi and elks/moose which he assumed was after the hikers campsite because the Mansi traces were fresher than the hikers campsite. (So there people there after the hikers in a radius of at least 10km .)

The hikers trail to the final campsite on 1079 was blown by snow and wind, there was no traces of hikers , outsiders or Mansi on 1079, only the mixed foot prints leading away from the tent to the ceder/ravine.

Pashin refers to this campsite but the translation is a bit confusing in the English Vs Russian. There seems to be slight differences.

They were also not naked, poorly dressed for being outside for any length of time, yes, but not naked. It loks like there was some kind of preparation going on at the time of the incident, as in a change of clothes after setting the tent up , clothes for sleeping in, or getting ready to start the next day.

 

April 28, 2024, 04:05:24 AM
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You don't have to read Anna. Read sheet 49 of the Criminal Case, the testimony of forester Pashin. Draw your own conclusions..
 

April 28, 2024, 08:54:30 AM
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I missed a couple of things. It is reported that the tent was torn and a pin was holding part of the tent together when first found , also it was torn in places but it was unknown if it was the first two searches that tore it, there was a clear even cut on one side that looked like it had been done with a knife.

I log of wood was found in the snow next to the tent at the rear end. ( I totally missed that).
 

April 28, 2024, 04:24:09 PM
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I still think the post raises two issues, one of greater importance. That issue is who authored the unknown diary? If it can not be authenticated then its contents are heresay. Secondly, patching or not patching the tent is trivial. I still contend that the topic was brought up in order to get insight into the mindset of the hikers.  Based on the gestalt of diaries and physical evidence, I feel that the whole business of patching the canvas was hormonal hijinks. BYW, did anybody else note that all of the rescue/recovery teams were all male? The Dyatlov expedition was remarkable.
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April 30, 2024, 09:04:51 AM
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1) I think now that is Dyatlov's diary with photo of Zina Kolmogorova. So prosecuters decided it was Kolmogorova's diary.

2) I believe that this cuts of tent appeared later that this record in diary. So these cuts cannot be sewed by tourists because cuts were non existibg.
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April 30, 2024, 04:59:09 PM
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We are presented with an image that these hikers are brave and noble Soviet youth. OK, but there are things that are also suspect. The expedition leader wants a challenging hike, but accepts a friend who in all liklihood could not complete the trip and another who couldn't for academic reasons. When warned of dangeous conditions by the forester, he ignores it.Another member was the group penniless entertainer, but also a prankster whom gets in trouble more than once. Is it he who hides because he can not pay train fare? There are two women on the trip, one is rigid in her ways, the other plays with men's hearts. Two of her involvements are on the expedition. We have a soldier who wants to improve his circumstances and adjust his attitude. We have people in the group who do not like to be told what and when to do things for group solidarity.We have someone as the group police who assigns detentions which are not honored. Several were smokers, easily winded at high altitudes. We have leadership setting a schedule of progress which is not honored by,some in the group. Finally, we see that the goal of the hike suddenly gets a lot harder once the free rides cease. They lasted what, two or three days on the actual trail and had to backtrack on one of them? The focus of most theories centers on external causation. But, this tent thread raises the issue of human error stemming from the group dynamic as an integral and unfixable element.
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April 30, 2024, 06:02:53 PM
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GlennM


did you think ...all 9 hikers should have not traveled as far as they did, as supposed? because of the individuality of each outlook of the 9 hikers had regarding what needed to be done and what they all didn't do???

Read ... Topic: Lyuda and Krivonischenko (Case Files 293-294) ...in DyatlovPass Forum...

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April 30, 2024, 07:19:37 PM
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GlennM


There are cohesive groups and fractured groups. When the the issue of mending the tent was raised, we did not see in the record immediate cooperative volunterrism. The record tells that there was arguement and friction. It may be trivial, or not. We know the group was goal oriented, but they proceeded enjoying themselves,along the way. The point is that whether or not the group dynamic worked worked for or against them when the going got rough. Evidence for that starts with footprints fanning out from the tent ending with the grouping of the deceased. Please do not read anything more into this than a general discussion of mindsets in a time of crisis.
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