Vladimir Askinadzi

[Teddy]

I know you are following the General discussion so I am opening the topic here. Askinadzi has joined the forum, Владимир Михайлович (Vladimir Mihaylovich) are his first and patronymic names. Please do not reproach him to translate what he has to say. This is the only exception we are going to make for this forum. I will translate what he says keeping the Russian text. This is great honor and once in a lifetime opportunity to ask him questions.

[Ziljoe]

It is an honour indeed. Many thanks to Владимир Михайлович (Vladimir Mihaylovich).

I'm ok with any Russian text as my page automatically translates .

[MDGross]

Добро пожаловать, сэр. Это честь.

[Teddy]

Here is Askinadzi's comment on the latest article in Konsomolskaya Pravda.
https://dyatlovpass.com/threat-from-the-air-KP#askinadzi

[anna_pycckux]

Уважаемый Владимир Михайлович, я рада приветствовать Вас на лучшем форуме, посвященном перевалу Дятлова. Вы всегда готовы ответить на все вопросы. Однако ответа на вопрос, заданный неугомонной Анной, так и не последовало:
мог ли глава Свердловского обкома Кириленко спокойно отправиться на 21-й съезд КПСС в конце января, ничего не предпринимая, если бы КГБ доложил ему, что группа туристов намеревалась сбежать во время съезда в Норвегию? (Америку, Китай). Вы и сами не раз говорили, что Вас просили искать следы туристов, ведущие за границу.

Dear Vladimir Mikhailovich, I am glad to welcome you to the best forum dedicated to the Dyatlov Pass. You are always ready to answer all questions. However
, there was no answer to the question posed by the restless Anna:
could the head of the Sverdlovsk regional committee Kirilenko have quietly gone to the 21st congress of the CPSU at the end of January, if the KGB had reported to him that a group of tourists intended to escape during the congress to Norway? (America, China..) You yourself have said more than once that you were asked to look for traces of tourists leading abroad.

[GlennM]

If the tourists were going to defect and subsequently be murdered for attempting to do so, then one of two things would follow. One consequence would be to make a public example of their disloyalty for reasons of solidarity. Two, supress the assasination and obfuscate their disloyalty. Neither was done. Finally, the explanation of why they left the tent en masse and the condition ofntheir remins does nothing to reinforce either of the two reasons mentioned. An accidental tragedy makes more sense.

[anna_pycckux]

One consequence would be to make a public example of their disloyalty for reasons of solidarity.

1. Логичнее было бы скрыть нелояльность туристов, что и было сделано. В стране, движущейся к коммунизму, не должно быть нелояльных людей.
2. Массового выхода в раздетом виде из палатки не было. Это фальшивый штамп, ничем не подтвержденный.

1. It would be more logical to hide the disloyalty of tourists, which was done. There should be no disloyal people in a country moving towards communism.
2. There was no mass naked exit from the tent. This is a false stamp, not confirmed by anything.

[Ziljoe]

 the chronological order of the allegations ( where and when it came into the maze of facts and myths ) for the tourists looking to defect must be taken into account.

as i understand it, it was only mentioned after the tourists had not returned, it was speculation. Everyone wrote or states their own theories at the time of tragedy, they are much of what we talk about today.

An avalanche, hurricane, murder, rockets, Mansi, weather, defect, etc etc. Searchers , leaders, The UPI and friends, all said speculative things at the time and understandably so, why?, because no one knew what happened and humans speculate. 

It would not make sense to escape the country by going to the Urals on a hike? where would they go? why follow the planned route and take photos and write diaries .

If there were to be deaths ordered, then surely it would be of the organisers of any escape attempt, the KGB would want to infiltrate the inner circle, not chase young tourists through the snow when they were evidently not trying to escape country.

необходимо учитывать хронологический порядок обвинений (где и когда они вошли в лабиринт фактов и мифов) для туристов, желающих сбежать.

насколько я понимаю, об этом упомянули только после того, как туристы не вернулись, это были предположения. Во время трагедии каждый писал или высказывал свои собственные теории, это во многом то, о чем мы говорим сегодня.

Лавина, ураган, убийство, ракеты, манси, погода, дефект и т. д. и т. п. Поисковики, руководители, УПИ и друзья, все говорили в то время умозрительные вещи и понятно, почему?, ведь никто не знал, что произошло, и люди предполагают .

Не имело бы смысла сбежать из страны, отправившись в поход на Урал? куда бы они пошли? зачем следовать запланированному маршруту, фотографировать и писать дневники.

Если бы и был приказ о смерти, то, конечно, это были бы организаторы любой попытки побега, КГБ захотело бы проникнуть в ближайшее окружение, а не гоняться за молодыми туристами по снегу, когда они явно не пытаются бежать из страны.

[anna_pycckux]

as i understand it, it was only mentioned after the tourists had not returned, it was speculation.

Yuri Yudin said very clearly that denunciations of Dyatlov and his friends were written during his studies. I'm tired of repeating it.

[GlennM]

In my country there is an expression, " haters got to hate." It is easy to heep hate on those who can not defend themselves. They were all dead. It is easy to curry favor in an organization by applauding what ever point of view those who are higher up wish to claim. Everyone was trying to improve their standing in the Party and get a favorable nod from Khrushchev. Therefore, we certainly do not want the West to know our youth are not equal to the rigors of Soviet sport. We absolutely do not want any question that the tourists were disloyal. We absolutely do not want a Stalinist type execution of people suggested. Or, do we?

Therefore, even though the hikers died in a tragic combination of natural occurrences, if it suited someones personal agenda then or now to cast aspersions in order to curry favor, well...haters got to hate.

[Ziljoe]

as i understand it, it was only mentioned after the tourists had not returned, it was speculation.

Yuri Yudin said very clearly that denunciations of Dyatlov and his friends were written during his studies. I'm tired of repeating it.

It's important to be factual, Yuri Yudin said lots of things and they changed over time. I'm cautious of people cherry picking statements or hearsay.

How many people had denunciations against them in the Soviet Union at that time? Was it common practice so to speak?. Did people just report other people to the authorities for fun or hate?. Were these said denunciations pre incident or post incident?.

The point is , it doesn't make sense. There are no signs of outsiders, all 9 hikers wouldn't have been involved plus the 10th hiker Zolo.