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October 31, 2024, 08:36:01 AM
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Axelrod


I noticed that the distance between the tent and the cedar is often indicated as 1 mile in English texts. In Russian texts, the distance is indicated as one and a half kilometers or 1500 meters.

Perhaps this distance in Russian is more accurate. But 1500 meters is less than 1600 meters (1 mile).
It is possible that they really walked a mile if their path was crooked.
BUT there is also such a thing as a difference in altitude of 250-300 meters, that is, we are dealing with the hypotenuse of a triangle. Indeed, if the distance of 1500 meters is included in the geolocation between two points, then this will not be the distance that we will walk on foot, descending the mountain, or measure with a tape measure.
Indeed, 0.3 km * 0.3 km + x * x = 1.5 km * 1.5 km.
From here we get x = ~ 1470 meters.
The difference of 30 meters is the distance I have to walk from my house to throw out the garbage.

Slope with angle 30° will produce diffrence about 200 meters (i.e. 1300 m difference by geolocation and 1500 meters of real path)./ because cos(30°)=0.866

Since they are trying to carefully determine the location of the tent as the site of a supposed avalanche or installation of a monument, I would like to hear an opinion on what distance in geolocation we are dealing with.

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November 01, 2024, 12:42:05 AM
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Axelrod


Illustration with difference of 50 m.


 

November 01, 2024, 02:49:31 PM
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https://ibb.co/bzV2dWT

Accordinb to your diagram, where did Igor, Rustem and Zina fall? Was it before they got to the steeper part of the slope? What does this say about their physical strength?
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November 02, 2024, 05:01:53 AM
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I didn't plan to discuss the crash sites in this thread. Oleg Taimen simply says that he found a more precise location for the tent, with a difference of 50-100-200 meters.

As for the distance, I went to the bank today to pay my rent, I walked the path of Igor Dyatlov and didn't even notice it. The length of our street is 600-630 meters, the difference in height is 30 meters (from the end of the street you can see the roof level of the first house). At first the slope is small, then it increases. It is very strange to imagine that Dyatlov fell exhausted near our house, Rustem Slobodin fell near the next house, and Zina Kolmogorova fell at the very top, where the bus stop is.



When a bus drove along our street (which still drives, but only to the cemetery on weekends), I often got off at the stop at the bottom of the street and went up (like Igor Dyatlov), and my father got off at the next stop (where Zina Kolmogorova is), and then my father went down. It is very strange to imagine that you can die at such a distance, that a trip to the bank will lead to death.

It was hard for me to climb up the mountain in the forest, in the summer at +32*C. When climbing to +150 meters, I stopped to rest 4 times. Therefore, this summer I did not climb the mountains at all and bought berries at the market. I was in the mountains only at the beginning of May, decided to shorten the path through the forest and got lost like Teodora (or rather. The road through the forest led to about the same set where I entered). When I decided to check the dependence of radiation on altitude, I specially waited for it to be cooler. It was Septembrr, 4 (+28*C). At first I walked along the stream, and then climbed to the very top, 300 meters high, like the Eiffel Tower, I walked 2.5 km in 55 minutes, measured the radiation at the cross of the deceased on the ridge and went back.

During the climb I stopped only once to measure the radiation at the cross of the dead in the middle of the climb.
I also measured the radiation at the exit from the city into the forest. At the stone where the man was hit by a car.
When I was going down, I met an old woman of 70 years old from the neighboring village (her mother, 96 years old, lives in the village on the ridge). Such a climb, like to the Dyatlov Pass, was not difficult, neither for me, nor for the old woman.

 

November 04, 2024, 06:30:24 AM
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Axelrod, I understand your post to mean that travelling the distance from tent to tree including the incline is not too strenuous in cooler temperatures. This is based on your personal experiment. Since it is not too strenuous, it is achievable going in either direction, according to your findings.

Igor, Rustem and Zina all fell at different locations. All were oriented toward the tent. All were climbing what would be the same path they took down when they left the tent.

Their bodies had no bullet holes. There were no whip marks. There were no wrist bindings. It appears they were free to climb, each at their own pace. It is obvious that they were climbing toward the tent, not the labaz.

What do you think they were going to get, once they returned to the tent? Since the tent was torn, could they have started a warming fire for themselves?  Since Zina was arguably the last to fall, what could she alone do if she regained the tent alone?
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November 04, 2024, 09:29:07 AM
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Axelrod


I don't understand why you start asking irrelevant questions in this thread.
I won't answer them in any way. The answers to your questions will be a manifestation of fantasy, and I am asking a precise question about distance.

I wanted to raise the question if the distance between the tent and the cedar was determined to be 1500 meters by measuring it with a rope on the ground. But if you determine the distance by geolocation (between two verticals), then this distance will be less, 1450 meters. Accordingly, using a distance of 1500 meters will move the supposed location 50 meters toward the top of the mountain.
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