Retransportation of bodies like Einstein's Puzzle

[Axelrod]

I am currently continuing to work on the book "Force Majeure at the Dyatlov Pass", and now I am working on the chapter "Other Versions".
I think that for better understanding I need to prepare this book more thoroughly, draw some pictures, diagrams of the location of the corpses by dates, so that the reader can understand

It is similar to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_Puzzle

The puzzle is often called Einstein's Puzzle or Einstein's Riddle because it is said[by whom?] to have been invented by Albert Einstein as a boy;

The Russian article says that 98% of the population cannot solve this riddle.
When I read the conditions of this riddle, I solved it quite quickly, in 5 minutes.
But I had a pencil and paper in my hands.

The riddle of the "Dyatlov Pass Incident witness testimonies" is somewhat similar, but I can't figure it out so quickly (I didn't sleep well last night). Or rather, at some point I realized it, but now I have forgotten and can't understand it. I came to the math exam and I can't do it today. Maybe you can help me.

Here is an idea:


The most interesting thing is this: navigator Karpushin says that on February 25, two corpses lay near the tent. And we all know that on the same day rescuers Slobtsov and Sharavin visited the tent, and they did not see any corpses there. Strange, right? How to understand all this? Obviously, this should be understood this way: in the morning or afternoon, someone dragged the corpses from the tent to the cedar tree.

This means that Slobtsov and Sharavin found the tent in the evening! So these stagers had almost a whole day to spare. That day they dragged the corpses towards the cedar! Whose corpses were these? Well, as for the female corpse, it’s clear who it was. This is Kolmogorova. The stagers dragged her and the body of another tourist to the foot of the mountain and there, obviously, buried her in the snow. And who was second is no longer clear. It could be anyone: either Krivonischenko, or Doroshenko, or Dyatlov, or Slobodin.

In general, the picture turns out like this: even when the search began, the stagers continued to stage the scene, continued to drag the corpses back and forth, cover them there with blankets, and so on.

And I also want to say this: these memories of Karpushin fit in with the memories of Pashin. Many years after the tragedy with the Dyatlov group, forester Pashin told his nephews that he was the first to discover corpses under a cedar tree, and one of the corpses was female.

Interesting, isn't it? The only difference is that Karpushin says that the corpses were near the tent, and Pashin says that they were under the cedar tree. That is, such confusion results. It turns out that the corpses were even dragged more than once on February 26! At first they dragged two corpses from the tent under the cedar tree, and then they changed their minds and dragged them to the slope there.

And here’s something else interesting Karpushin said. He said that the skin of those two corpses near the tent was not orange. She was ordinary. This refutes the claim of other people who saw that the skin was orange. How can I explain this? I have this explanation… Yes, by the way, here another question arises: how did Karpushin see from the plane that the skin was not orange? Well, you know, it's quite simple! The weather was clear, and the faces meant corpses if they were lying face up. then it was clearly visible what color they were, natural or unnatural.

So, what else does Karpushin say? Well, he refutes the theory that a rocket fell there. There, he says, no rocket debris was visible, and no craters. Well, this is, of course, a moot point. Because if it was staged, then it is clear that the rocket fell not at the pass, but somewhere else. And the military dragged the corpses to the pass.

Well, let’s sum it up: even during the search, a staging was going on, and the dragging of corpses and objects from place to place continued with might and main. This proves once again: Dyatlov’s group did not set up a tent at an altitude of 1079. They set up a tent there for staging. Even navigator Karpushin confirms that he was surprised: why did they put up a tent on the mountain? The wind constantly blows there. Bare slope. We can say with confidence: yes, indeed the tourists of Dyatlov’s group died not at the pass, but in some other place. But at the pass, a re-enactment was made: the corpses were transported to the pass, they set up a tent on the mountain, and then they began to lay out the corpses.

Moreover, it seems that the military did not have any strictly defined plan for disposing of the corpses. Therefore, they first placed two corpses near the tent, then dragged them under a cedar tree, and then dragged them onto the slope. This is probably how events unfolded…


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_Puzzle


В русской статье Wikipadia сказано, что эту загадку не могут решить 98% населения.
Когда я прочитал условие этой загадки, я решил её довольно быстро, за 5 минут.
Но я имел в руках карандаш и бумагу.

Загадка свидетельских показания про группу Дятлова чем-то похожа, но я не могу разобраться так быстро (я плохо спал ночью). Вернее, в какой-то момент я это осознал, но сейчас уже забыл и не могу это понять. Я пришёл на экзамен по математике и не могу его выполнить сегодня. Может быть, вы мне поможете.


Я сейчас продолжаю работу над книгой "Форс-мажор на перевале Дятлова", и сейчас я работаю над главой "Чужие версии".
Я думаю, для лучшего понимания мне надо более качественно подготовить эту книгу, нарисовать какие-то картинки, схемы расположения трупов по датам, чтобы читателю было понятно
Вот, например, такая идея:



Самое интересное вот что: штурман Карпушин говорит, что 25 февраля около палатки лежали два трупа. А все мы знаем, что в тот же день у палатки побывали поисковики Слобцов и Шаравин, и никаких трупов они там не видели. Странно, да? Как всё это понять? Очевидно, понимать это следует так: утром или днём кто-то трупы от палатки утащил к кедру.

Значит, Слобцов и Шаравин нашли палатку вечером! Так что в запасе у этих инсценировщиков был почти что целый день. Вот за этот день они и утащили трупы в сторону кедра! А чьи это были трупы? Ну, насчёт трупа женского пола – понятно, кто это был. Это Колмогорова. Её и труп ещё одного туриста инсценировщики утащили, значит, к подножию горы и там, очевидно, закопали в снег. А кто был вторым, это уже непонятно. Это мог быть любой: или Кривонищенко, или Дорошенко, или Дятлов, или Слободин.

В общем, картина вот такая получается: даже когда начались поиски, инсценировщики продолжали инсценировать, продолжали трупы туда-сюда таскать, одеялами накрывать их там, и так далее.

И ещё я хочу сказать вот что: эти воспоминания Карпушина стыкуются с воспоминаниями Пашина. Через много лет после трагедии с группой Дятлова лесник Пашин рассказывал своим племянникам, что это он первым обнаружил трупы под кедром, и один из трупов был женским.

Интересно, правда? Отличие только в том, что Карпушин говорит, что трупы были у палатки, а Пашин говорит, что они были под кедром. То есть, такая получается путаница. Получается, трупы 26 февраля даже не раз перетаскивали! Сначала два трупа от палатки притащили под кедр, а потом передумали и притащили их там на склон.

И вот ещё что интересное сказал Карпушин. Он сказал, что кожа у тех двух трупов около палатки была не оранжевого цвета. Она была обычной. Тем самым опровергается утверждение других людей, которые видели, что кожа была оранжевой. Вот как это объяснить? У меня есть такое объяснение… Да, кстати, тут ещё вопрос такой возникнет: а как это Карпушин увидел из самолёта, что кожа была не оранжевой? Ну, знаете, это довольно просто! Погода была ясной, и лица значит трупов, если они лежали лицом вверх. то ясно же было видно, какого они цвета, естественного или не естественного.

Так, что ещё там говорит Карпушин? Ну, он опровергает версию, что там ракета упала. Там, говорит, никаких обломков ракеты не было видно, и никаких воронок. Ну, насчёт этого, конечно, вопрос спорный. Потому что, если была инсценировка, то понятно, что ракета упала не на перевале, а где-то в другом месте. А военные перетащили трупы на перевал.

Ну что ж, подведём итоги: даже во время поисков шла инсценировка, вовсю продолжалось перетаскивание трупов и предметов с места на место. Это ещё раз доказывает: группа Дятлова не ставила палатку на высоте 1079. Там палатку поставили инсценировки. Даже штурман Карпушин подтверждает, что его удивило: а зачем они палатку на горе поставили? Там же постоянно дует ветер. Голый склон. Можно с уверенностью сказать: да, действительно туристы группы Дятлова погибли не на перевале, а в каком-то другом месте. Но на перевале была сделана инсценировка: трупы перевезли на перевал, поставили палатку на горе, а потом стали трупы, значит, раскладывать.

Причём какого-то строго определённого плана в раскладывании трупов, похоже, у военных не было. Поэтому сначала расположили два трупа у палатки, потом притащили их под кедр, а потом перетащили их на склон. Вот таким образом, наверное, развивались события…

[Ziljoe]

Dear Axelrod

Can you please slow down . I need you to be clear. There is a picture of a man in your post holding his glasses.

Are you copying his transcript or is this your own writing?

You have normal case writing and text with bold writing, why is this?

[Axelrod]

All text below picture is citation is cu\iation from video.
I marked as bold those sentences which seem to me as most important.

I have a question - what persons should be a boy and a girl near the tent (seen from airplane).
Maybe girl is Kolmogorova.
But who is a boy transported later to cedar?
Maybe, Doroshenko?

[GlennM]

Axelrod, do the matrix and the forum will review your analysis. However, the Einstein puzzle makes the assumption that there is a definite answer which can be ascertained by the process of elimination and deduction. That is to say, from many clues we get, one and only one conclusion.  The problem in the forum is that when a member supposes a motive or circumstance to be true because it fits with a point of view, then that assumption which is logical is also presumed to be truthful. They can be mutually exclusive unfortunately. This has the effect of changing the matrix. Again, the logic and analysis may be flawless, but if the premise (major or minor) is false or invalid, so too is the solution.

[Axelrod]

Map of transportation is ready now:
Дятлов = Dyatlov (blue arrows)
Колмогорова = Kolmogorova (red arrows)


But I doubt how real is this scenario.


In general, the picture turns out like this: even when the search began, the stagers continued to stage the scene, continued to drag the corpses back and forth, cover them there with blankets, and so on.

...
Moreover, it seems that the military did not have any strictly defined plan for disposing of the corpses. Therefore, they first placed two corpses near the tent, then dragged them under a cedar tree, and then dragged them onto the slope. This is probably how events unfolded…

[GlennM]

Moving frozen bodies entails much work fro no significant rewards. Appreciate your analysis.

[marieuk]

Maybe they're both right? If you go with Teddy's theory that the tent was pitched near the cedar tree, then the bodies could be under the cedar tree and near the tent at the same time.  Interesting idea that maybe it all happened somewhere else.   That would involve a lot more questions   

[GlennM]

This dragging of dead people is supposed to test the credulity of the forum. Such a shame to waste our time with this. Stick to the facts and concentrate on the big picture is my advice.

[Axelrod]

We have not facts, but evidence. Sometimes this evidence is very contradictory.
For example, Maslennikov wrote that Kolmogorova was found 1200 m from the tent.
Dyatlov was found 300 meters from the cedar.

Since the distance between the tent and the cedar is 1500 meters,
we can calculate the distance between Dyatlov and Kolmogorova.
This distance turns out to be zero. Perhaps that was the case.
It is possible that there was a tent naer with them. Perhaps it was a second tent.

Note that I draw conclusions from evidences and documents, and I do not make this up out of my head.

[GlennM]

I understand your point, but I question the accuracy of the discoverer's measurements. I am certain they were approximations, and loose approximations at that. Would you agree?

[Axelrod]

New idea about transportation of corpses:

Olga Vedeneyeva (Helga) offers a completely amazing version. She speaks in a language with a peculiar and unusual construction of phrases, and it is difficult to quote them here. But I hope you will understand the main point.


   
[VEDENEYEVA]: If we look at the circumstances of the death of the Dyatlov group from the point of view of injuries, then it is logical to assume that the tragedy began with a traumatic blow to the tent by some object of limited size. So what could have rolled across the tent? Remember that the events take place at the height of the Cold War. in the period when there were no space spy satellites.


The United States has stepped up the development of unmanned reconnaissance vehicles. These were automatic balloons equipped with photographic equipment. They used the winter jet stream to cross the territory of the Soviet Union from west to east. In 1958-1959, another mass launch of American reconnaissance vehicles was carried out on the territory of the Soviet Union. From January 10 to February 6, 450 balloons were launched, of which more than 300 fell on the territory of the USSR due to malfunctions or exhaustion of cylinders and disappeared without a trace in an uninhabited area.


I assumed that a gradually deflating spy balloon could have been the cause of the tragedy. Those tourists who were not hit by the blow ripped open the tent slope and climbed out. Remember that Zina was described as having a strange injury: in the lumbar region there was an abrasion 29 by 6 cm long. This is the same as the width of the balloon strap.

Perhaps when they were trying to squeeze the load out of the tent, a gust of wind tugged the balloon, and Zina was caught in the balloon strap and dragged down the mountainside. And the guys, forgetting about everything, rushed to save her.

In the end, somewhere on the section to the cedar, Zina managed to get out of the balloon straps, find herself on the ground on her own, or the guys helped her. Having descended into the cedar, they understand that four of them are not with them. For heating and signaling. They make a fire. Then the three volunteers decide to go back up the slope to those who remained in the tent – towards the rapidly gaining strength hurricane wind, which they ultimately found themselves unable to cope with.

Doroshenko, whose things remained in the tent, tried to warm up by hiding from the wind behind the trunk of a cedar. And Krivonischenko gave signals with burning branches, and then, perhaps, did not spare his clothes for this. So, instead of saving themselves, the five tourists threw all their efforts into saving the others.

What was the situation in the tent after four remained in it? Lyuda was the first to die, a couple of hours later Kolya Thibo died. Their bodies were carried out of the tent. And those who remained froze there lying in an embrace and died last (Kolevatov and Zolotaryov). So the whole group died.

 
The cause and consequences of the strike (according to Helga).

From Maslenikov's record we know that 120 hours were spent in the air and 46 flights were made during the air search. Navigator Karpushin and helicopter pilot Potyazhenko left us with their memories of this. The search for the group began on February 21 with a flight around the area. The local head warns the aviators that if it is discovered that the group has died, then first, without unnecessary noise, they should inform him personally.

Navigator Karpushin and helicopter pilot Potyazhenko found a torn tent and two bodies near it on the mountainside. Then a helicopter arrived at the tent. This is from their memories. Now an assumption: the investigators who arrived found that the tent was crushed. Perhaps they find Kolevatov's diary, his notes before his death. Then they inspect the tent, and load the bodies into the helicopter and take them away. And the bodies most likely end up in the morgue of some military unit.

On the evening of February 25, the district authorities report the terrible discovery to their superiors in the region and wait for instructions, but do nothing themselves. But on February 26, around midday, Slobtsov and Sharavin approach the tent. After that, no one wants to take on the responsibility of resolving the situation that has arisen and announce that the bodies of the four have not only been found, but also taken away.


The situation with the four unfound bodies reaches the very top. The head of state Nikita Khrushchev had a personal drama. His son was a pilot and their peer when he went missing during a combat mission. This situation was understandable to him, and the feelings of their parents were in tune. The great voluntarist finally ordered the return of the bodies of their children to the parents, and he did not care at all how some local authorities would get out of this situation.

Somewhere at the end of April, during the change of shifts of student groups on the search, some people, carrying out a special task, dug a cave in a ravine and hid four bodies there (brought from the morgue). After this, the search camp was moved from the Auspiya River to the Lozva River valley. And at the end of May, the searchers of the Askinadzi group found these last four.

I will sum it up. This version is purely man-made. The balloon itself flies to the scene of the incident and itself flew further for tens of kilometers. Unlike the notorious rocket, balloons were widely used in those years for spy flights on the territory of the USSR, and then their use faded away, and therefore we know little about their numerous flights.

Next, according to the plot of the version: it all began with a traumatic blow of the balloon on the tent where the tourists were lying, with one blow. The reason for escaping down the slope is the most obvious. The comrade must be saved!

Upon closer examination, it turns out that the discovery of the tent first by the pilots (on February 25, along with the corpses) and the subsequent independent discovery of the same tent by the students of Slobtsov's group (on February 26, already without the corpses) can perfectly well exist in the same time and space.

Next, the authorities did not know what happened, but were very scared. Having read the description in Kolevtaov's diary, they could have taken what happened for contacts with hostile UFOs. This is where the unusual secrecy and other oddities of the investigation and search arose.

And the last thing. The situation with the concealment of the bodies of the four is just a kind of screw-up that happened when the district authorities were pressed for time. And the return of the bodies cannot be called a staging. After all, we do not consider it a staging that Slotsova and Sharavina, excuse me, took alcohol from the tent, drank it, and then threw the empty flask back into the tent.

[KUNTSEVICH]: Thank you! thank you!

[ahabmyth]

Quote from Axelrod in part.

Olga Vedeneyeva (Helga) offers a completely amazing version. She speaks in a language with a peculiar and unusual construction of phrases, and it is difficult to quote them here. But I hope you will understand the main point.

 I think the main point is this woman is off the planet.

Does anyone really think that the West gave a about them during this era, apart from studying vivid imaginations.