Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

[OLD JEDI 72]

Piece of advice. In the written word, one can not see the wink and smile. Conversely, you can't see the bottom teeth showing to differentiate between a thoughtful comment and a snarky remark.

I think the AI effort to divine Igor's thoughts as an explanation for ultimately abandoning the tent might produce a useful thread. I personally think there was no choice except do or die at the tent. An AI query would have to be based on fact and lead to an inescapable conclusion. The reason I do not hold out much hope is that by definition an unknown compelling force is unknown. That variable is the Rosetta Stone of the mystery. I suppose various scenarios could be fed to the bot, but at some point a human is going to assign values for greater and lesser likelihood. And then we are back to speculation.

Have you tried AI Igor? Don't question his authority! Personally, I think AI does better at character impersonation than it does (at the free level) at reasoning sometimes. I tend to use the basic model even though I don't have to.

[Ziljoe]

I understand your reservations because I have had them up until recently. It's a money thing also, if you notice its first responses they were generic like it was possibly Zina or Dubinina but then when I changed to the beta 4.5 model and did a Deep Research (I pay $20 a month for Plus access) you saw the difference. It also searched snopes which it doesn't do unless it's a deep research. I'm sure Axelrods book is riveting lol, but I'll pass. I am fairly confident the photo is of a hiker from a previous expedition.

What's a money thing? At 20 dollars a month you could buy several books, the forum is free as is the website and Axelrod's book in several languages.

You questioned your own research V AI , after asking different questions in the AI , you are now confident that this hiker is from a different expedition, how do you know which is true? How can the AI tell the difference?

This is sounding more like a sales pitch by the minute. Why even mention £20 dollars a month for AI when it's inaccurate and the material for research is free?

I really hope you are not advertising. It's been a slow sales pitch.....

[OLD JEDI 72]

No, not advertising at all, just embracing a new way to research. Sales pitch lol, what interest do you think I have in this thing? What's the name of his book(s)? I'll have Igor read them! 

[Ziljoe]

No, not advertising at all, just embracing a new way to research. Sales pitch lol, what interest do you think I have in this thing? What's the name of his book(s)? I'll have Igor read them! 

Embracing.....

From using AI in Google about AI?.

While ChatGPT can be a helpful tool for generating text and exploring ideas, it's crucial to understand that it's not a reliable source of factual information for research. Its responses, while often seemingly accurate, can be misleading or even fabricated, especially in specialized fields. It's important to verify information from ChatGPT with credible sources and be aware of its limitations.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Reasons for Caution:
Fabricated References:
ChatGPT has been shown to generate fabricated references, making it difficult to verify the accuracy of its claims.
Lack of Real-Time Data:
ChatGPT's knowledge is limited to the data it was trained on, which doesn't include real-time updates.
Difficulty with Complex Subjects:
ChatGPT may struggle with nuanced concepts and deeper dives into specific research areas.
Potential for Bias:
ChatGPT's responses can be influenced by the data it was trained on, leading to potential biases.
Not a Replacement for Expertise:
ChatGPT should not be used as a substitute for in-depth knowledge or critical thinking in research.

Axelrod rods book and his reference to his mother and family.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1650.0

Direct link to Dyatlov pass and numerous later research.

https://dyatlovpass.com/

Direct link to all theories through the Dyatlov pass forum which also has many links to other forums with respected researches.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php

Your comments regarding reading Axelrod's book as riveting then following by lol and then suggesting that Igor reads them with a giggle could be perhaps seen as trolling.

A Lot of work has been done by many  people , right or wrong misguided or inaccurate.

I suggest reading them in their entirety and then see if AI is matching what has been said or not said. , Happy researching, I look forward to reading your observations and conclusions through your own work and effort.

[GlennM]

Every day need not be boxing day.

[OLD JEDI 72]

No, not advertising at all, just embracing a new way to research. Sales pitch lol, what interest do you think I have in this thing? What's the name of his book(s)? I'll have Igor read them! 

Embracing.....

From using AI in Google about AI?.

While ChatGPT can be a helpful tool for generating text and exploring ideas, it's crucial to understand that it's not a reliable source of factual information for research. Its responses, while often seemingly accurate, can be misleading or even fabricated, especially in specialized fields. It's important to verify information from ChatGPT with credible sources and be aware of its limitations.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Reasons for Caution:
Fabricated References:
ChatGPT has been shown to generate fabricated references, making it difficult to verify the accuracy of its claims.
Lack of Real-Time Data:
ChatGPT's knowledge is limited to the data it was trained on, which doesn't include real-time updates.
Difficulty with Complex Subjects:
ChatGPT may struggle with nuanced concepts and deeper dives into specific research areas.
Potential for Bias:
ChatGPT's responses can be influenced by the data it was trained on, leading to potential biases.
Not a Replacement for Expertise:
ChatGPT should not be used as a substitute for in-depth knowledge or critical thinking in research.

Axelrod rods book and his reference to his mother and family.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1650.0

Direct link to Dyatlov pass and numerous later research.

https://dyatlovpass.com/

Direct link to all theories through the Dyatlov pass forum which also has many links to other forums with respected researches.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php

Your comments regarding reading Axelrod's book as riveting then following by lol and then suggesting that Igor reads them with a giggle could be perhaps seen as trolling.

A Lot of work has been done by many  people , right or wrong misguided or inaccurate.

I suggest reading them in their entirety and then see if AI is matching what has been said or not said. , Happy researching, I look forward to reading your observations and conclusions through your own work and effort.

I'm pretty sure I've made this quite clear from the beginning regarding AI. As far as my lol it is my honest reaction considering the title of this thread. Hardly trolling. But as I mentioned earlier, I believe it's important to readvance redundant material for argument's sake because eventually everyone who researches this will wind up there. Whether you read "analog" books or whatever. And as far as my theories, I think you know where I stand and I never used AI to say it until recently. This case will forever be dead, like it or not, and always be unprovable, but the speculation is what really grabs me. Within reason.

[OLD JEDI 72]

Every day need not be boxing day.

Imagine being in a tent and you get hit with a snow slab and everyone screaming "Semyon told you this would happen!" Talk about Boxing Day without the role reversal.

[Axelrod]

The story with this girl in the photo is unclear to me. Igor Dyatlov and my relative Moses Axelrot were tohether in previous winker ski hike - and there were no girls with them as you say now. So this photo has another source.

Somehow, in Ivanov's photo archive, there are photos of a guy and a girl who have nothing to do with the Dyatlov group.
This is combined with the testimony of nurse Solter and orderly Savina from Ivdel that in addition to Kolmogorova there was another girl, and in total there were 11 corpses.

Also, Vera Belledir's father from Ivdel told her that in addition to the Dyatlov group, there was a search for the children of General Lelyushenko (a guy and a girl).

This looks like a made-up story, but it all seems true, given these unidentified photos.
I don't have an answer to this riddle yet.

[GlennM]

Common sense and common courtesy would be to acknowledge a new member to the tour. Nothing in the record indicated this was done. Another fantasy, I fear.

[Axelrod]

10-50:
"Их было не 9, их было 11. И чтобы скрыть следы детей Лелюшенко, это всё были и сделано"

There were not 9 of them, there were 11. And in order to hide the traces of Lelyushenko's children, all this was done!

[SURI]

Leljushenko's son Boris Leljushenko died in 1993 and was buried next to his father.

Father
Лелюшенко Дмитрий Данилович
1901-1987

Son
Лелюшенко Борис Дмитриевич 1935-1993

https://novodevichiynecropol.narod.ru/07/lelyushenko_dd.htm

[Axelrod]

I also doubt that the body of the unknown person in the photo is the body of Lelyushenko's son, but you have given me interesting information for further research.

Firstly, his son is the same age as the tourists.

Together with D.D. Lelyushenko, Boris Dmitrievich Lelyushenko (1935-1993), a design engineer, and leading engineer at the Krasnaya Zvezda Scientific and Production Association, is buried.

Krasnaya Zvezda is a plant in Moscow that develops nuclear power plants for space[1].

[GlennM]

In order to make any of this speculation credible I would expect the 10th joined at Vizhay. I would ask what of Yuden's supplies.  I would ask where the 10th was found and by whom. I am reminded that the initial search team were not government "spooks". If they found someone, they would report it.

For me, this 10th person spin on the story is a force fit of unsubstantiated gossip into a myth. It also is a distraction from the central mystery of the abandonment of the tent.

[Axelrod]

I remembered that there is another version of the appearance of a strange girl's photo on Dyatlov's camera. This is described in the group's diary by Kolevatov.

In addition to the 12 scattered photographs listed on the page

https://dyatlovpass.com/loose-photos

There was also a photo of a girl who was shown in the first film about the Dyatov Pass (1997-1999)


this is the tenth or eleventh victim that nurse Zoya Savina saw in the morgue in a headscarf.

The prospect to walk about thirty kilometers on the highway with no breakfast and lunch already seemed quite real, when suddenly ... I mentioned that fate is merciful. The mercy came in the form of a girl going to Vizhay that hailed the bus and stopped the object of our persecution. A minute later we were already safely sitting on the second floor of the seats and traveling to Vizhay.

[Ziljoe]

A reasonable explanation Axelrod.
I still think it's a random photo and wasn't a query In the Dyatlov case .