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April 18, 2025, 08:54:27 PM
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Playing around with AI and came up with this in reference to The Theory Of The Fireballs. It's not perfect but gives the view of standing behind Semyon and TIBO and what you could potentially see.
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April 18, 2025, 08:57:44 PM
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Another potential source of fireballs.
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April 18, 2025, 09:27:38 PM
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April 19, 2025, 10:38:27 AM
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A very nice contribution to the forum. Appreciated.! For me, it makes clear that a fireball is insufficient reason for hikers to abandon the tent.

Yet, if that,was the reason, it would be for them to get out of harm's way,  or collect souvenirs. They were ill prepared for either option.
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April 19, 2025, 12:49:26 PM
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A very nice contribution to the forum. Appreciated.! For me, it makes clear that a fireball is insufficient reason for hikers to abandon the tent.

Yet, if that,was the reason, it would be for them to get out of harm's way,  or collect souvenirs. They were ill prepared for either option.

Thanks, much appreciated. I dunno, parachute mines would be a great reason to get out of there. And exhaust from a solid fuel booster rocket. I couldn't get these to look quite right like they came from behind over their heads.





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April 19, 2025, 12:51:39 PM
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And just for sh15$ and giggles, enjoy this freebie at no extra charge!  grin1


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April 19, 2025, 03:29:40 PM
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The last one was rich!  If a parachute bomb, there would be some 'splaining to do.  At one time ,I pondered a missile detonation in the area which could produce a nitric acid type vapor cloud. The brown cast to the hikers skin is consistent with a nitric acid burn, but significantly, the vapor,would be breathed in. That damage would be revealed at autopsy, but was not.

I toyed around with the idea of a low altitude Soviet jet pass. A single pass would get them all out of the tent, but not down the slope. The jet(s) would have to return. This would convince the group to bug out for safety's sake. Nothing ever came from that line of thought.

I am certain they got caught in bad weather and their tent failed them.
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April 19, 2025, 04:29:01 PM
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If they had missle silos in the area they would most certainly cover up any lung damage. I've always felt there was a fight. Why would they be forced by Igor to wash their feet, take off their shoes etc during a cold overnight with no heat? I think someone said something nasty to Igor and he was the one to cast everyone out to stay in the woods. I don't think it was that cold yet but a temperature inversion hit fast. I feel he cast out 3-4 people and the rest followed and that infuriated him even more. This photo would explain how witnesses miles away saw fireballs. It's easy to imagine geologists would have explosives.

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April 19, 2025, 06:57:16 PM
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I don't think they would have had missile silos in the area, for two reasons. 1) the logistical range of missiles at that time , and 2) silo's weren't fully implemented until the 60s. The silos cam to fruition due to the time it would take to launch a m issle in the event of a nuclear war.

I have read somewhere that Dyatlov was high on foot hygiene, there is good reason for this but there is no evidence that he did this in the tent.

The witnesses that saw lights in the sky would not be able to know how close or far away the fire balls were. There are numerous mountains in-between. An explosion by a geologist would be vary different  and certainly not at night at that time of year. I suppose there might of been a geological explosion but that's a different thing.

Interesting art work. Sometimes a picture is easier.  thumb1
 

April 20, 2025, 03:49:09 AM
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I don't think they would have had missile silos in the area, for two reasons. 1) the logistical range of missiles at that time , and 2) silo's weren't fully implemented until the 60s. The silos cam to fruition due to the time it would take to launch a m issle in the event of a nuclear war.

I have read somewhere that Dyatlov was high on foot hygiene, there is good reason for this but there is no evidence that he did this in the tent.

The witnesses that saw lights in the sky would not be able to know how close or far away the fire balls were. There are numerous mountains in-between. An explosion by a geologist would be vary different  and certainly not at night at that time of year. I suppose there might of been a geological explosion but that's a different thing.

Interesting art work. Sometimes a picture is easier.  thumb1

Hi Ziljoe. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss silos in the area, they are the perfect location.  Minimum people like South Dakota, for example, and by your statement, they weren't FULLY implemented until the 60s. So they had to start somewhere; maybe this was the beginning of it. If anything, I'm more inclined to believe the rockets are related to their space programme. The cold temps would also be perfect to try and utilize natural cooling for the heat generated from boosters as well as any nuclear power situation.

Next, you say there was no evidence to support Igor's foot fetish in the tent. So why were many of them shoeless, and some footprints made by socks? That's pretty good circumstantial evidence. 

As far as explosions viewed from afar, I agree, but multiple explosions from thrown dynamite or Molotov Cocktails could look like anything viewed from 20 miles away due to the distance, temperature differences, wind, and elevation.  The explosions could have looked like, oh, I dunno, orbs?  twitch7
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April 20, 2025, 05:41:19 AM
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Hi old jedi.

The problem for there being a missile silo in the region is transportation of the actual missile , they work , mining, under ground facilities are huge, I would suspect all the locals would have seen such things. Zina actually says the code word for a missile silo at Northern 2 in her diary. ( Another reason to classify the case files?).

The Soviet Union already has test ranges , launch sites in other areas . It is the range of the rockets at the time that's the restricting reason to not place a silo in that part of the Urals. The west's missiles don't have the range either so there's no point in building a silo there. The reasons for silos, as I understand it , was to protect the missiles from nuclear attack and for the missiles to be activated quicker as it took a long time to return fire . The nuclear missiles were put into east Germany in 1959-60.

Regarding the feet, after you have hiked in the cold you will need to take your boots off , any moisture or sweat will need dried out , perhaps a change of socks and to dry out used ones. It could have been as warm as -2 C in the tent and or the time of the incident is when they are getting dressed or undressed .

I don't remember the exact distances of the sightings of orbs, the Mansi would have been the closest but they don't report explosions . Depending on what version of orbs you have read will depend on the interpretation I guess. The lights(orbs) seen in the sky seem more likely to be from rockets reaching above the sunrise /sunset shadow on earth.

 

April 20, 2025, 09:13:40 AM
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Who's to say they would transport a fully assembled missile to a dark site? The huge underground complex you speak of could hold a factory for production of missiles. Also the Urals would be a great place because it would be a hardened facility due to the mountains and hard ground approach. And if this theoretical silo existed, you shouldn't assume it was there to nuke the USA but perhaps Britain, France and Germany? As far as locals go, wasn't their last stop spent at an abandoned village with one intact cottage out of 20ish?
The orbs were spotted by another hiking group that same night from 20 miles away. And if memory serves correct, again a few weeks or months later. I'll have to find it again but somewhere on this site is a thread or photo that shows a dude holding up what looks like rocket insulation.
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April 20, 2025, 10:21:42 AM
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A smart and useful book about the orbs, published in 2021, by Henning Kuersten: The Dyatlov Pass Mystery: NOT a Cold Case
 

April 20, 2025, 10:49:19 AM
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If there's a huge underground facility where they could build missiles ( they were quite big) then it would be just as easy to move them there from the other build sites.

I might have some of this wrong as I haven't got the time to check the facts, but I shall try.

2 things first. 1) it seems there are lights in the sky  2) rockets and ICBMs are being tested and constantly evolving , including the testing of missiles to shoot down incoming ICBMs and the likes of the U2 spy plane.

The west are also testing their ICBMs, and by coincidence, the US titan 1 was tested on the 6th of February 1959. Successfully.

When the U2 spy plane was shot down in 1
May 1960 they also shot down one of their own jets ant the Soviet pilot died. This was also classified as the time.

The silos are a later development, silos have specific design need and purpose.

The village of northern 2 where the hikers stayed in a hut is interesting as to what northern 2 was?. It had hot springs and some kind of mining was going on with drilling for cores.

There are 30 record statements of lights in the case files, some different nights. I don't think there are reports of lights on the 1/2 of February.

Yes I believe more recent rocket casing shells were found.
 

April 20, 2025, 02:09:04 PM
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A smart and useful book about the orbs, published in 2021, by Henning Kuersten: The Dyatlov Pass Mystery: NOT a Cold Case


I can't find the main theory of his thoughts. Can you give a brief explanation on his claims? Was it ball lighting?
 

April 20, 2025, 03:12:32 PM
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I can't find the main theory of his thoughts. Can you give a brief explanation on his claims? Was it ball lighting?


Sure. You can find it here:

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1714.0

 
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April 20, 2025, 03:26:38 PM
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I can't find the main theory of his thoughts. Can you give a brief explanation on his claims? Was it ball lighting?


Sure. You can find it here:

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1714.0

Thank you, I did have a vague memory of it being mentioned. I will probably have to get the book to get a full understanding. I have another book somewhere from about 2015 that spoke of these weird floating lights that followed people. I am sceptical though , I don't think the last photos show anything that that is of any merit. That's probably more to do with my ignorance though but film cameras are difficult to operate quickly In low light with all the manual adjustments. I have read that he's a digital photographer with experience and he did some sort of manipulation with software. I would have thought only that could be done from working with the original film not photos from a digital screen. Until I see what he's actually proposing then I can't really comment. I did read he's possibly going to do another book and update.
 

April 20, 2025, 05:30:31 PM
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I can't find the main theory of his thoughts. Can you give a brief explanation on his claims? Was it ball lighting?


Sure. You can find it here:

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1714.0



I took what I read from that thread and came up with this. The landscape and mountains are correct but the tent direction and skis and ice ax I couldn't get right. This AI is pretty bad a## though. I also fed the picture of the four into the AI from the picture of Yuri K, Lyudmil, Tibo, and Rustem. LD is about to lose her tongue.

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April 20, 2025, 05:44:40 PM
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When I see newsreels of Soviet military parades, it seems clear that the Russians put  emphasis on mobile launchers as opposed to fixed installations.
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April 20, 2025, 06:38:53 PM
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When I see newsreels of Soviet military parades, it seems clear that the Russians put  emphasis on mobile launchers as opposed to fixed installations.

That is my thinking. The first missiles didn't have the range to be fired from as far away as  Dyatlov pass. They were mobile and also above ground . They could take several hours to get ready from an incoming attack , the silos were an escalation to be ready to retaliate at a quicker time frame . Whilst potentially receiving a nuclear attack , the silos would still be operational.

As I understand it , it was missiles first and their range , then the nuclear war head capability, then silos .

The problem I envisage with a silo at the Dyatlov pass or within that region is the distance for the range of striking capability of the missiles at that moment of time in 1959. At some point they would have to design and build a silo and test it , not the missile but the launch from the underground silo. When the silos were eventually built and operational, they consisted of 3 silos and a HQ. Fuel, operating room , living quarters and all the logistics that would come from an independent silo base.

Both sides of the cold war didn't have the data of accuracy of the missiles . Cities were the main targets along with known military air fields . Accuracy was not the Achilles heel at that time , it was the speed and cost of being able to retaliate. I think both sides had missiles on stand by but the fueling and cooling , along of a lot of stuff I don't fully understand was the problem. Every day was a cost in labour and man power to nurse these missiles to be ready or on stand by.

Mobile units have an advantage because they could pop up anywhere , the negative is they weren't a push button instant solution..

http://www.astronautix.com/r/r-14u.html

 "Development of the modernized R-14U (universal) version, which could also be launched from 'Chusovaya' complex silos, was authorized on 30 May 1960. The authority to design the silo was issued two weeks later. The first test launch from a surface pad was conducted on 12 January 1962, followed by a series of launches from the silos from 11 February 1962 to October 1963.

In the silo-launched version, each regiment consisted of two divisions, each division being a single emplacement with a technical point and three silos. The launch complex was designed by TsKB TM under the direction of Nikolai Krivoshein. The hardened command and control technical point was modified from that for the R-12U, with each silo placed at least 100 m from the other about the technical point. Each silo was 30 m deep, had an inner diameter of 4.0 to 4.5 m, and was hardened to withstand overpressures of 2 kg/cm2. The silo design was accepted for military service on 15 June 1963.

The first R-14U silo division became operational at Priekule, Latvia in 1964. Further complexes were at Nerchinsk and Yasnaya in the far east, Dzhambul in Kazakhstan, Glukhov and Belokorovichi in the Ukraine, and Karmelaya in Lithuania. By 1965 a total of 97 R-14 and R-14U test or operational verification launches had been conducted, and around 100 mobile and silo launchers were operational.

The R-14U, in mixed deployment with mobile launchers, was retired in the late 1970's.


Maximum range: 4,000 km (2,400 mi). Initial Operational Capability: 1960
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I have underlined the word 'Chusovaya' because that is the name for THE silo specific to the r-14u missile. Other missiles had different silo names . ( After rivers I think)

At 2nd northern, zina writes in her diary

"2nd North is an abandoned village, nobody lives here at all, and what beautiful places! It's just Chusovaya. The stones on the banks are some cliffs, limestone, white. Today we go a few km along the Lozva River, and then we pass to the Auspiya river."

Coincidence probably as I think zina did a river hike or some activity there before. However, avoiding conspiracy if I can , the case files talk too much about missiles and the code names , with a small leap of faith , I think it's good reason to make the case files classified.

I am having a stab in the dark here but both sides , west and east had been spying on each other for years. Long ranch missiles and nuclear warheads were a new game in warfare, both sides were paranoid which is understandable given ww2 and the shifting politics in Europe . The US and UK had Communist sympathisers, students were a target by both sides.

Food for thought...
 

April 21, 2025, 06:54:43 AM
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Something that nags at me is that I think it was from Igor's diary, but he said that the wind sounded like a jet engine and was warm.  Could it be that simple? What if he was actually hearing...wait for it... a jet engine?  clap1 I'm not sure how silos or prototype silos in the USSR would have worked but it stands to reason there would be several outflow vents pointed down any given mountain side. Bad weather or a storm would be the perfect cover to warm up and test fire the rocket to check guidance systems and range etc. I admit I envision a James Bond-type hidden installation, but if Ian Fleming was writing fiction about espionage in the early 50's and art imitates life, then I am pretty sure the Soviets had some type of Top Secret Installation that the Regular Army, for example, may not have even known about.
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April 21, 2025, 11:52:06 PM
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I would think that Dyatlov would mean it was a warm wind as opposed to cold , the use of words

From Group diary below.

" Wind is western, warm, piercing, with speed like the draft from airplanes at take-off."

It seems to be just a bit of descriptive writing.

The rockets/missiles were designed first and there were also several test launch sites over the Soviet Union with obviously the need for a testing range. ( Where the missile would land/crash).  There was also a secret city and many installations that were kept secret, this we know.

So, as I've re-read some information about the missiles , silos etc , I think I have a better understanding. Missiles were designed at the various test sites and evolved. Launch sites or pads needed to be made on hard ground. These soft launch sites were exposed to a nuclear blast as they were above ground. These sites had buildings and vehicles further a away from the soft launch pad there were buildings for men , vehicles etc .( Some state 800 personnel). Although the main body of the missile could be transported on the back of a truck , it wasn't a simple case of driving this truck to a field and pointing it upwards and pressing the  fire button. All sorts of fuel was needed, control rooms , assembly and a small army of people . So these soft launch pads were followed by the hard launch pads called silos. It is these hard and soft launch sites that get built for the purpose of striking back with the finished missiles and not for testing the missile.

Each of these hard silo bunkers was like a small underground base . As said above , yes , there were secret facilities factories and production around the rest of the USSR. This would be the same in all countries, the question is , was there anything secret at the Dyatlov pass region ?. To date, nothing has come to light yet we have loads of information about Soviet test sites, nuclear accidents , spies, flight paths and dates for every missile flight but nothing about Dyatlov pass.

My point is , I don't think there's anything in the Dyatlov region that would be a bigger secret that wouldn't have been released by now. Im sure they would have admitted if a test flight of rocket XYZ fell out of the sky at Dyatlov pass in 1959 . There's no gain in keeping it classified today if they know what happened, any technology at the time would be no secret today.

My hunch is there was just too much talk of lights in the sky in the case files when both sides of the cold war were trying to keep things secret, that's all of the secret bases and missile tests that we now know existed. . It's why the silos were named after rivers , to keep the west guessing, or so the big wide web says.

Perhaps Nord 2( northern 2) was reconnaissance for something military but that was obviously stopped long before 1959 and long before silos .

So much was going on at the exact same time of Dyatlov pass regarding missile development that even the mention of radiation, lights in the sky etc, I would guess someone in the Kremlin just said close the case and tell everyone involved to stop talking about it.

A new's article about lights in the sky , 30 statements regarding lights in the sky. Statements of radiation and strange photos of lights were in the case files . It was the cold war , both sides are trying to de-esculate each others nuclear capability with negotiation and diplomacy  whilst at the same time , secretly developing their own military power.

This is the only reason I can think of to make the case classified at the time.....Or the exact opposite......


 

April 22, 2025, 03:56:02 AM
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It tends to get overcomplicated, which is a big no-no when trying to figure out the variables. I saw you are a fan of the wolverine theory and I can't seem to find the main link to Igor B's theory. I click the link and it takes me to a page that looks different than the forum, and the font is tiny. Is that the one? It is a simple and neat theory, as well as any animal for that matter, but none of them produces orbs of light! This is just for you Ziljoe!  dance1

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April 22, 2025, 08:02:16 AM
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Thank you,

That is how it happened, lol.

The link to some of the wolverine discussion from Igor B is on the front page under wolverine. The link I gave goes to his Russian forum site.

I don't think orbs of light are mentioned anywhere in the case files, not that I can remember anyway , if they are they are just describing lights in the sky which are most likely missiles being tested further away , higher up  . This happens all the time including today.

the USA was using British pilots in the first overflights in the U2 spy plane in 1959 plus the RAF did overflights into the USSR in 1953.

I do like the wolverine theory but it would seem that it can't spray it's smell in the way it was proposed but I think new arguments are coming forward again.   
 

April 22, 2025, 10:07:12 AM
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Even with wolverine spray, it seems a bit extreme to cut the tent open over that. I would be more apt to believe that out of nine hikers, a few were breaking wind and giggling about it, and someone snapped because of it. That to me is the simplest solution. Thanks for being a good sport about the photos. I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way, but just to show some levity in a crazy, muddled mess.
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April 22, 2025, 02:50:45 PM
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Even with wolverine spray, it seems a bit extreme to cut the tent open over that. I would be more apt to believe that out of nine hikers, a few were breaking wind and giggling about it, and someone snapped because of it. That to me is the simplest solution. Thanks for being a good sport about the photos. I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way, but just to show some levity in a crazy, muddled mess.

The wolverine theory needs to be read to fully understand it. It has some strong plausible arguments but also has its weakness. For me it' has its merits and a bit of science behind it with strong evidence.

Teddy's also has a new way to look at the mystery and gives strong argument to why it was hushed up.

It is a muddled mess but years of false claims has muddied the water. When something is classified there's usually something in parallel that's being covered up which as nothing to do with a particular case.

Wind, snow , avalanche, ultrasound seem to be the most obvious choice for them to leave the tent.

The more I have read about the spying games and the cat and mouse of missiles and paranoia along of what's in the case files makes me think the authorities just wanted the case closed.
 

April 22, 2025, 03:56:25 PM
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Even with wolverine spray, it seems a bit extreme to cut the tent open over that. I would be more apt to believe that out of nine hikers, a few were breaking wind and giggling about it, and someone snapped because of it. That to me is the simplest solution. Thanks for being a good sport about the photos. I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way, but just to show some levity in a crazy, muddled mess.

The wolverine theory needs to be read to fully understand it. It has some strong plausible arguments but also has its weakness. For me it' has its merits and a bit of science behind it with strong evidence.

Teddy's also has a new way to look at the mystery and gives strong argument to why it was hushed up.

It is a muddled mess but years of false claims has muddied the water. When something is classified there's usually something in parallel that's being covered up which as nothing to do with a particular case.

Wind, snow , avalanche, ultrasound seem to be the most obvious choice for them to leave the tent.

The more I have read about the spying games and the cat and mouse of missiles and paranoia along of what's in the case files makes me think the authorities just wanted the case closed.

I tend to avoid the ultrasound theory now. I had read that it would not affect 100% of them, but maybe only like two or three. No reason for the others not affected to not grab gear to help the affected who were slowly walking away and themselves. And honestly IMO, there doesn't need to be a big military hush hush about it but something more simple. Nine friends had a meltdown; it was ten friends but Yudin suddenly got sciatica. May he rest in peace, but I don't think he left for that reason at all. As Dubinina put it, the mood got "black as hell" and people were complaining about open windows and sleeping too close to stoves. A cover up or whitewash could exist merely to protect the Communist ideal and make them out to be heroes who sacrificed everything for each other. Propaganda. They very well couldn't say someone threw their toys out of the pram and got everyone killed. Just my take on it.
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April 25, 2025, 11:34:37 AM
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My concern for the forum is the responsible use of AI in the service of the mystery. I envision the bots being used as an entertainment, an amusement. I believe that the bots are only as valid and reliable as the information they are sourcing. In the DPI, only the diaries are first hand information. All other information in the case files, interviews, books and peripheral factoids are secondhand. The bots will massage the information according to the limiting parameters of the query.

Humans are said to be able to hold 7 things plus or minus 2 in memory. We can not multitask in the truest sense of the word, but we are excellent at rapjd switching. This comment is added because the fault with every theory promoted to date is that none take in all the facts.

Artificial intelligence may be able to develop a solution which takes in all the facts, but there are some sticking points. First, are the facts actually facts? Second, are the facts truth? This means is the information  the bot is massaging valid and reliable? Garbage in, garbage out!

The ultimate goal is not the "how" but the " why" of the tragedy. In order to get to the " why" of things, we all have a sub rosa suspicion that free will is not so free. While we think we can choose to go left or right, it may not actually be true. Of course we all would argue that, yes, we can choose our path. What I am getting to is this...We assume that by studying the case, or having a bot analyse the evidence, there will come out of the distillation a single irreversible response ( call it an unknown compelling force)  which was the behavior and the engine which drove them all to death.

AI may account for all the facts, discard invalid and unreliable evidence and, perhaps without the programmer shaping the desired outcome, find that single compelling action, which was never a choice, but a fated ( and fatal) response. It may do what we and the authors of all the books have not.

Therefore, the use of AI in a casual way, an entertaining way serves to undermine the credibility of the programmer. Once the forum doubts the sincerity of the contributor, the contributions fade to insignificance.
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April 26, 2025, 03:41:30 AM
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My concern for the forum is the responsible use of AI in the service of the mystery. I envision the bots being used as an entertainment, an amusement. I believe that the bots are only as valid and reliable as the information they are sourcing. In the DPI, only the diaries are first hand information. All other information in the case files, interviews, books and peripheral factoids are secondhand. The bots will massage the information according to the limiting parameters of the query.

Humans are said to be able to hold 7 things plus or minus 2 in memory. We can not multitask in the truest sense of the word, but we are excellent at rapjd switching. This comment is added because the fault with every theory promoted to date is that none take in all the facts.

Artificial intelligence may be able to develop a solution which takes in all the facts, but there are some sticking points. First, are the facts actually facts? Second, are the facts truth? This means is the information  the bot is massaging valid and reliable? Garbage in, garbage out!

The ultimate goal is not the "how" but the " why" of the tragedy. In order to get to the " why" of things, we all have a sub rosa suspicion that free will is not so free. While we think we can choose to go left or right, it may not actually be true. Of course we all would argue that, yes, we can choose our path. What I am getting to is this...We assume that by studying the case, or having a bot analyse the evidence, there will come out of the distillation a single irreversible response ( call it an unknown compelling force)  which was the behavior and the engine which drove them all to death.

AI may account for all the facts, discard invalid and unreliable evidence and, perhaps without the programmer shaping the desired outcome, find that single compelling action, which was never a choice, but a fated ( and fatal) response. It may do what we and the authors of all the books have not.

Therefore, the use of AI in a casual way, an entertaining way serves to undermine the credibility of the programmer. Once the forum doubts the sincerity of the contributor, the contributions fade to insignificance.

Who cares what the forum doubts? Did you get an AI to write this drivel?
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April 26, 2025, 04:02:33 AM
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It's like you parroted everything the other bloke said with a different tone lol.
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