Why not go back inside?

[sarapuk]

In the immediate aftermath of leaving the tent, the hikers could not go back inside for any reason. Whatever the danger was, it seems clear that it was so deadly, they could not even stick a hand inside to feel for a boot.

If there had been a snow slab, they probably would have waited for it to stop, and then dug the tent out. There were nine of them, after all, not one or two. That's a lot of diggers.

So what are the possible reasons they could not even reach inside the tent?

1) Something deadly was inside (poison, plasma ball, other?)
2) The tent had been rendered inaccessible (i.e. an avalanche)
3) A third party with a weapon

[ Third party sounds interesting. But what was the third party? ]

[Senior Maldonado]

So what are the possible reasons they could not even reach inside the tent?

1) Something deadly was inside (poison, plasma ball, other?)
2) The tent had been rendered inaccessible (i.e. an avalanche)
3) A third party with a weapon

I would guess, the reasons 1 & 3 from this list are to be ruled out. The reason 2 is partially true, as all this started when the northern part of the tent crashed and the tent's roof laid on the heads and bodies of the hikers. They immediatly felt as though caught in a sack - no visibility and very little space to move. So they had to use a knife to cut the tent and let themselves out of the trap. When they escaped the tent, they stepped away from it at about 7-8 meters and started to estimate futher possible risk.

[amashilu]

So what are the possible reasons they could not even reach inside the tent?

1) Something deadly was inside (poison, plasma ball, other?)
2) The tent had been rendered inaccessible (i.e. an avalanche)
3) A third party with a weapon

I would guess, the reasons 1 & 3 from this list are to be ruled out. The reason 2 is partially true, as all this started when the northern part of the tent crashed and the tent's roof laid on the heads and bodies of the hikers. They immediatly felt as though caught in a sack - no visibility and very little space to move. So they had to use a knife to cut the tent and let themselves out of the trap. When they escaped the tent, they stepped away from it at about 7-8 meters and started to estimate futher possible risk.

If the tent had partially collapsed and become a kind of trap, as you say, they cut it, got out and were not hurt and could breathe, what would prevent at least one of them from suggesting they reach back inside for some shoes?

[Senior Maldonado]

If the tent had partially collapsed and become a kind of trap, as you say, they cut it, got out and were not hurt and could breathe, what would prevent at least one of them from suggesting they reach back inside for some shoes?

I do believe none of them was hurt, when they had left the tent. But it collaped because of an event, which finally became fatal for the hikers. And the event was not an avalanche, for sure. The hikers had no idea how to proceed in that situation. Probably, they did not intend to leave the tent at the beginning, they wanted to recover it and get back inside. That's why they did not try to fetch clothes and equipment. But when they recognized what the threat was, they already had no time to get their things from the tent. They had to leave immediately.

[sarapuk]

So what are the possible reasons they could not even reach inside the tent?

1) Something deadly was inside (poison, plasma ball, other?)
2) The tent had been rendered inaccessible (i.e. an avalanche)
3) A third party with a weapon

I would guess, the reasons 1 & 3 from this list are to be ruled out. The reason 2 is partially true, as all this started when the northern part of the tent crashed and the tent's roof laid on the heads and bodies of the hikers. They immediatly felt as though caught in a sack - no visibility and very little space to move. So they had to use a knife to cut the tent and let themselves out of the trap. When they escaped the tent, they stepped away from it at about 7-8 meters and started to estimate futher possible risk.

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

[sarapuk]

So what are the possible reasons they could not even reach inside the tent?

1) Something deadly was inside (poison, plasma ball, other?)
2) The tent had been rendered inaccessible (i.e. an avalanche)
3) A third party with a weapon

I would guess, the reasons 1 & 3 from this list are to be ruled out. The reason 2 is partially true, as all this started when the northern part of the tent crashed and the tent's roof laid on the heads and bodies of the hikers. They immediatly felt as though caught in a sack - no visibility and very little space to move. So they had to use a knife to cut the tent and let themselves out of the trap. When they escaped the tent, they stepped away from it at about 7-8 meters and started to estimate futher possible risk.

If the tent had partially collapsed and become a kind of trap, as you say, they cut it, got out and were not hurt and could breathe, what would prevent at least one of them from suggesting they reach back inside for some shoes?

Yes, an avalanche is just not feasible and would have given them time to gather their senses, clothing and equipment because any avalanche would have been weak. The hill was not steep enough for a major avalanche.

[sarapuk]

If the tent had partially collapsed and become a kind of trap, as you say, they cut it, got out and were not hurt and could breathe, what would prevent at least one of them from suggesting they reach back inside for some shoes?

I do believe none of them was hurt, when they had left the tent. But it collaped because of an event, which finally became fatal for the hikers. And the event was not an avalanche, for sure. The hikers had no idea how to proceed in that situation. Probably, they did not intend to leave the tent at the beginning, they wanted to recover it and get back inside. That's why they did not try to fetch clothes and equipment. But when they recognized what the threat was, they already had no time to get their things from the tent. They had to leave immediately.

Well, an event sounds about right. Something happened at the tent site. The collapse of the tent may have occurred after the Dyatlov group left it. It could have collapsed some considerable time after the event.

[Falcon73]

From my understanding the entrance was still secured shut and that side of the tent was not collapsed.  It looks like from diagrams the hikers took up all the space in the tent.  Surely at least on or two would be in the uncollected area.  Why would those one or two therfore choose to crawl back to exit through cut holes even though they could just go out the entrance?

[Ziljoe]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized. 

[Ziljoe]

From my understanding the entrance was still secured shut and that side of the tent was not collapsed.  It looks like from diagrams the hikers took up all the space in the tent.  Surely at least on or two would be in the uncollected area.  Why would those one or two therfore choose to crawl back to exit through cut holes even though they could just go out the entrance?

A fair point but I think the entrance is toggled which takes time and even although you may be in a safer place in the tent , if it collapses you don't hang about waiting for everyone's exit. The first interior cuts do seem to start at the upper side of where the tent collapsed , or rather , where I would suspect a cut would be made.

[Senior Maldonado]

The collapse of the tent may have occurred after the Dyatlov group left it. It could have collapsed some considerable time after the event.

It looks like all the group was inside, when northern part of the tent collapsed. The hikers immediately found themselves squeezed between the collapsed dead end of the tent and pieces of equipment, which they palced at the enterance. They had no space to shift the equpment aside and free way through the enterance. If anybody had been outside, that guy would have helped the rest of the team to leave through the enterance -- no need to cut the tent.

If tent's collapse occured in some time after critical event, the group would not have cut the tent, they would have been able to use the enterance for evacuation. Even in case the whole group was inside.

[Senior Maldonado]

Yes, an avalanche is just not feasible and would have given them time to gather their senses, clothing and equipment because any avalanche would have been weak. The hill was not steep enough for a major avalanche.

Correct. There is not enogh space there for an avalanche to develop force to crash ribs and skulls. We can only consider some show shift, which cannot be critical for people in the tent. Also, the tent did not move an inch from its original place. Ice axe and pair of skis stood still near the tent's enterance, which is unbelievable in case of avalanche. And most important, avalanches do not produce radiation, while radiation plays important role in Dyatlov's case.

[ilahiyol]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Just one look at the tent and you'll immediately realize there's no avalanche or snowslide there. Even discussing it is a waste of time.

[Ziljoe]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Just one look at the tent and you'll immediately realize there's no avalanche or snowslide there. Even discussing it is a waste of time.

They should hire you for your evaluation skills from photos of over 60 years ago. You would be a wealthy person . Expert's and researchers around the world have spent many resources on trying to establish an avalanche.

[ilahiyol]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Just one look at the tent and you'll immediately realize there's no avalanche or snowslide there. Even discussing it is a waste of time.

They should hire you for your evaluation skills from photos of over 60 years ago. You would be a wealthy person . Expert's and researchers around the world have spent many resources on trying to establish an avalanche.

Whether or not an avalanche will occur on that slope is a separate matter. What matters is whether or not an avalanche occurred in the tent that night! And judging by the tent's drumming that night, there was definitely no avalanche that night. The possibility of an avalanche on that slope is irrelevant. What matters is whether or not an avalanche occurred in the tent that night.

[Ziljoe]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Just one look at the tent and you'll immediately realize there's no avalanche or snowslide there. Even discussing it is a waste of time.

They should hire you for your evaluation skills from photos of over 60 years ago. You would be a wealthy person . Expert's and researchers around the world have spent many resources on trying to establish an avalanche.

Whether or not an avalanche will occur on that slope is a separate matter. What matters is whether or not an avalanche occurred in the tent that night! And judging by the tent's drumming that night, there was definitely no avalanche that night. The possibility of an avalanche on that slope is irrelevant. What matters is whether or not an avalanche occurred in the tent that night.

I have an old playstation 2 console. I went into my loft tonight to get it out. I tried to connect it to my modern TV( 10 years old) . I can't get it to work. It's irrelevant I guess, but very annoying.

[ilahiyol]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Just one look at the tent and you'll immediately realize there's no avalanche or snowslide there. Even discussing it is a waste of time.

They should hire you for your evaluation skills from photos of over 60 years ago. You would be a wealthy person . Expert's and researchers around the world have spent many resources on trying to establish an avalanche.

Whether or not an avalanche will occur on that slope is a separate matter. What matters is whether or not an avalanche occurred in the tent that night! And judging by the tent's drumming that night, there was definitely no avalanche that night. The possibility of an avalanche on that slope is irrelevant. What matters is whether or not an avalanche occurred in the tent that night.

I have an old playstation 2 console. I went into my loft tonight to get it out. I tried to connect it to my modern TV( 10 years old) . I can't get it to work. It's irrelevant I guess, but very annoying.

Our different languages ​​prevent us from understanding each other. What I'm trying to say is, when you look at the tent, you can see there's no avalanche! There's no snow slide! Whether there's an avalanche on that slope or not is irrelevant. There are only two options to force them out of this tent: 1. Humans, 2. Jinn. Otherwise, there's absolutely no chance these experienced and intelligent young people would freeze to death after going out into the forest for a walk. If the force hadn't attacked them, they could have walked hundreds of kilometers half-naked. They had that ability and strength.

[Ziljoe]

Our different languages ​​prevent us from understanding each other. What I'm trying to say is, when you look at the tent, you can see there's no avalanche! There's no snow slide! Whether there's an avalanche on that slope or not is irrelevant. There are only two options to force them out of this tent: 1. Humans, 2. Jinn. Otherwise, there's absolutely no chance these experienced and intelligent young people would freeze to death after going out into the forest for a walk. If the force hadn't attacked them, they could have walked hundreds of kilometers half-naked. They had that ability and strength.

Unfortunately, I do not believe in demons if this is what you mean by Jinn.

I think you might underestimate how cold it can get.

[ilahiyol]

Our different languages ​​prevent us from understanding each other. What I'm trying to say is, when you look at the tent, you can see there's no avalanche! There's no snow slide! Whether there's an avalanche on that slope or not is irrelevant. There are only two options to force them out of this tent: 1. Humans, 2. Jinn. Otherwise, there's absolutely no chance these experienced and intelligent young people would freeze to death after going out into the forest for a walk. If the force hadn't attacked them, they could have walked hundreds of kilometers half-naked. They had that ability and strength.

Unfortunately, I do not believe in demons if this is what you mean by Jinn.

I think you might underestimate how cold it can get.

You may be an atheist. I understand, but this world we live in didn't come into being on its own. There definitely is a Creator. And if there is a Creator, there must be demons and similar creatures. Yes, I've experienced very cold weather, too. Sometimes you don't want to take a step. But if you're properly clothed, you can walk very long distances, even in -20 degrees Celsius. The young people, however, were quite experienced and daring. In very cold weather, you can walk very long distances, provided you don't get wet.

[sarapuk]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Going back over the years and not just on this site, there is a general feeling that the slope was not conducive to an avalanche and certainly not one that would cause an event such as happened. There has been a lot of effort put in by various researchers regarding the avalanche theory.   

[sarapuk]

From my understanding the entrance was still secured shut and that side of the tent was not collapsed.  It looks like from diagrams the hikers took up all the space in the tent.  Surely at least on or two would be in the uncollected area.  Why would those one or two therfore choose to crawl back to exit through cut holes even though they could just go out the entrance?

A fair point but I think the entrance is toggled which takes time and even although you may be in a safer place in the tent , if it collapses you don't hang about waiting for everyone's exit. The first interior cuts do seem to start at the upper side of where the tent collapsed , or rather , where I would suspect a cut would be made.

Of course in recent times there is a question mark as to whether or not the tent was actually cut from the inside. And without the tent to investigate with modern methods we cant know. A mystery surrounds the tents dissapearance.

[sarapuk]

The collapse of the tent may have occurred after the Dyatlov group left it. It could have collapsed some considerable time after the event.

It looks like all the group was inside, when northern part of the tent collapsed. The hikers immediately found themselves squeezed between the collapsed dead end of the tent and pieces of equipment, which they palced at the enterance. They had no space to shift the equpment aside and free way through the enterance. If anybody had been outside, that guy would have helped the rest of the team to leave through the enterance -- no need to cut the tent.

If tent's collapse occured in some time after critical event, the group would not have cut the tent, they would have been able to use the enterance for evacuation. Even in case the whole group was inside.

The case of the cuts to the tent are one of the crucial aspects of the Dyatlov Mystery. We cant be certain that the cuts where caused by the group inside the tent.

[sarapuk]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Just one look at the tent and you'll immediately realize there's no avalanche or snowslide there. Even discussing it is a waste of time.

They should hire you for your evaluation skills from photos of over 60 years ago. You would be a wealthy person . Expert's and researchers around the world have spent many resources on trying to establish an avalanche.

Experts and researchers ! Sometimes people do that sort of thing in order to divert attention away from what may really have happened. Unknown compelling force.

[sarapuk]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Just one look at the tent and you'll immediately realize there's no avalanche or snowslide there. Even discussing it is a waste of time.

They should hire you for your evaluation skills from photos of over 60 years ago. You would be a wealthy person . Expert's and researchers around the world have spent many resources on trying to establish an avalanche.

Whether or not an avalanche will occur on that slope is a separate matter. What matters is whether or not an avalanche occurred in the tent that night! And judging by the tent's drumming that night, there was definitely no avalanche that night. The possibility of an avalanche on that slope is irrelevant. What matters is whether or not an avalanche occurred in the tent that night.

I have an old playstation 2 console. I went into my loft tonight to get it out. I tried to connect it to my modern TV( 10 years old) . I can't get it to work. It's irrelevant I guess, but very annoying.

Our different languages ​​prevent us from understanding each other. What I'm trying to say is, when you look at the tent, you can see there's no avalanche! There's no snow slide! Whether there's an avalanche on that slope or not is irrelevant. There are only two options to force them out of this tent: 1. Humans, 2. Jinn. Otherwise, there's absolutely no chance these experienced and intelligent young people would freeze to death after going out into the forest for a walk. If the force hadn't attacked them, they could have walked hundreds of kilometers half-naked. They had that ability and strength.

You are raising important points that need to be taken seriously. Well done.

[sarapuk]

Our different languages ​​prevent us from understanding each other. What I'm trying to say is, when you look at the tent, you can see there's no avalanche! There's no snow slide! Whether there's an avalanche on that slope or not is irrelevant. There are only two options to force them out of this tent: 1. Humans, 2. Jinn. Otherwise, there's absolutely no chance these experienced and intelligent young people would freeze to death after going out into the forest for a walk. If the force hadn't attacked them, they could have walked hundreds of kilometers half-naked. They had that ability and strength.

Unfortunately, I do not believe in demons if this is what you mean by Jinn.

I think you might underestimate how cold it can get.

He is raising important points that need to be taken notice of. Weve covered so many items over the years on this site so its refreshing for this sort of dialogue. He is bringing up the question of the unknown  and there are plenty of unknowns in the World. Jinn is such an unknown but believed by many. A supernatural force. devilish if you like or maybe not, they can be good.

[Ziljoe]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Going back over the years and not just on this site, there is a general feeling that the slope was not conducive to an avalanche and certainly not one that would cause an event such as happened. There has been a lot of effort put in by various researchers regarding the avalanche theory.

There is certainly a lot of opinion about all theories, there is a general feeling that aliens, big foot and demons don't exist. Regarding an avalanche, everyone has a different interpretation of what is meant by an avalanche at the tent and the context . I hope to get to some of that later by looking at the broader picture.

Unfortunately, a lot of professionals avoid this mystery like the plague .

[Ziljoe]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Just one look at the tent and you'll immediately realize there's no avalanche or snowslide there. Even discussing it is a waste of time.

They should hire you for your evaluation skills from photos of over 60 years ago. You would be a wealthy person . Expert's and researchers around the world have spent many resources on trying to establish an avalanche.

Experts and researchers ! Sometimes people do that sort of thing in order to divert attention away from what may really have happened. Unknown compelling force.

Why try to divert attention away from the statement that was given in the case files? They didn't know why they left the tent , so it's unknown what it was that drove them out of the tent and down the slope . It's all about the interpretation I guess. If they wanted to cover anything up they could have done so.

[sarapuk]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Going back over the years and not just on this site, there is a general feeling that the slope was not conducive to an avalanche and certainly not one that would cause an event such as happened. There has been a lot of effort put in by various researchers regarding the avalanche theory.

There is certainly a lot of opinion about all theories, there is a general feeling that aliens, big foot and demons don't exist. Regarding an avalanche, everyone has a different interpretation of what is meant by an avalanche at the tent and the context . I hope to get to some of that later by looking at the broader picture.

Unfortunately, a lot of professionals avoid this mystery like the plague .

These days, with the explosion of social media and related platforms, more and more interest is being shown in the paranormal. I'm not saying that the Dyatlov mystery is paranormal, but it can not be ruled out. A lot of professionals are also drawn to this mystery. I'm sure Teddy would agree.

[sarapuk]

But the avalanche theory has been scrutinised intensively over the years, and the general consensus is that it was not an avalanche that caused the Dyatlov group to flee their tent without proper clothing and other equipment.

I do not think that is the general consensus, nor do I think the avalanche theory has been intensively scrutinized.

Just one look at the tent and you'll immediately realize there's no avalanche or snowslide there. Even discussing it is a waste of time.

They should hire you for your evaluation skills from photos of over 60 years ago. You would be a wealthy person . Expert's and researchers around the world have spent many resources on trying to establish an avalanche.

Experts and researchers ! Sometimes people do that sort of thing in order to divert attention away from what may really have happened. Unknown compelling force.

Why try to divert attention away from the statement that was given in the case files? They didn't know why they left the tent , so it's unknown what it was that drove them out of the tent and down the slope . It's all about the interpretation I guess. If they wanted to cover anything up they could have done so.

Ulterior motives. For instance, if a paranormal event was suspected, maybe the authorities wouldn't want to go down that road, so to speak. Or maybe they knew it was a paranormal event and therefore covered it up.