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August 15, 2025, 11:22:51 AM
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I provide a map showing an overall view of the disaster. I have maintained that the tent was pitched and later found at elevation 880 on peak 1079. Now, instead of concentrating on the tent, I look at the cache. I can imagine the hikers laying in the cache and then proceeding through Dyatlov Pass to the forest below. If true, then the final location of the tent would be in the woods. Teddy and Igor's idea of a treefall on the tent and the aftermath all fit.

What I am struggling with  is where Igor, Rusyem and Zina were found. It was not in the direction of the cache. There were no footprints nor ski tracks to follow. Igor was the leader and ostensibly the navigator. In short, they were not making for the cache. They were heading somewhere else. It must be the tent pitched on 1079.


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August 15, 2025, 11:28:09 AM
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This is the shortest way to go up on the ridge. Tent or no tent.
Also to go to the labaz. The forest on the slopes everywhere else is much more dense and difficult to pass.
You can only see this on location.

This is an interesting questions though, because it looks like they are going towards the tent.
To me there is no doubt that these 3 were trying to get out.
But who put the tent on their way?
And here is what I know of have been on location so many times.
If you find the bodies and try to get out once that is the shortest way. If you have to return bodies - that's where you start down from the ridge.
And this is exactly where you would stage the tent.
But that's me. I look at this case upside down.

Actually once on the ridge you would turn left to go to the outlier. So there must be a reason why to put the tent there. This same applies to why would Dyatlov not pitch the tent where the outlier is, behind the rocks, place is even. Why go further on such a uneven slope?
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August 15, 2025, 01:11:15 PM
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Teddy, thank you for a prompt and insightful reply. Appreciated! If I understand your meaning, then the DP9 would have never used Dyatlov Pass to get to the forest (cedar) at all. The trees are too dense on the pass. You propose they crossed over the ridge and down to the cedar that way and pitched their last camp.

Your comment about Boot Rock being a better place to reposition the tent only adds to the mystery.If the people who repositioned the tent were following the prints laid down when the DP9 came down to the woods, it is understandable. The tent would have to be airlifted to 880 on 1079 to eliminate footprints.

Much to ponder. Thanks for your leadership.
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August 15, 2025, 01:33:26 PM
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Teddy, thank you for a prompt and insightful reply. Appreciated! If I understand your meaning, then the DP9 would have never used Dyatlov Pass to get to the forest (cedar) at all. The trees are too dense on the pass. You propose they crossed over the ridge and down to the cedar that way and pitched their last camp.
I know what I wrote may be read like this but I said something else, that once you found the bodies, once you are already down there, the easier path to go up is the trajectory of the 3 bodies found. On the contrary to what you are saying (what you thought I was saying), from the ridge you would descend where the yellow arrow says Dyatlov Pass. Only later would one realize this is not such a good idea because the forest and terrain are not favorable. You can tell that just by looking from the ridge down, summer or winter.

It is impossible to guess which way they went if it was not for the tent. If the tent was moved there after they died, no way to know what happened and how it happened exactly. The way you would go down for the first time without knowing anything about tent and outlier is absolutely different from what we do nowadays as tourist touring landmarks of the incident.

Once I tried doing it directly (yellow arrow), got lost, met a bear with cubs, and I am never doing it again. But you don't know that in advance.
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August 15, 2025, 05:48:27 PM
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So glad the bear did not misbehave. Thanks for suggesting I look at events from the forest perspective instead of the slope. Your new findings, when published will inject new energy into our forum. Appreciated, Teddy.
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August 15, 2025, 05:58:52 PM
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I will soon say more.
 
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August 15, 2025, 08:16:07 PM
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Oh no we are back to sensibility.

So do we now have a narrative of Zina, Rostem and Igor ( being the strongest members ) doing a runner.
To save your lives where would you run to. A Labaz or a Tent that you know is not there ???.

Something else that dosnt seem to ring true  ;- If you are a leader do you not lead ;-- why were the 3 found in the order they were.

"I just want to throw this in". ;- We surmise they were going up the mountain , but why not going down. Yes you immediately say look at the position of the bodies. ;- however imagine if you are going down a mountain and you were at your last breathe do you think you would fall forward "or" sit down and then lay down backwards ,Igor wasnt found on his front he was found on his back ,his left arm clutching to a branch trying to get up, I would say.

Just because it is written does not make it so :- Me  ----------    eg "Seated" next to the fire pit barefoot in their underwear.
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August 15, 2025, 08:33:19 PM
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So do we now have a narrative of Zina, Rostem and Igor ( being the strongest members ) doing a runner.

They are not the strongest.
 

August 16, 2025, 01:10:39 AM
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Rustem wasnt found face down, he was face up.
Just because it is written does not make it so :-

The photo confirms that Slobodin's body was lying face down.

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August 16, 2025, 04:44:48 AM
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Why go further on such a uneven slope?
Most likely three choices 1) They were just tired  2) They didn't know where they were. 3) Igors ego for his leadership skills by proving it can be done.
And I must say something regarding Teddys post. I dont know how many skiiers we have in the group and I am not. But skiing as these guys in the pic are doing must wreak havoc on your feet. I can remember climbing many places hardly a backpack and on a camber , and paying for it at the end of the day. These guys must have been tough as nails.
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August 16, 2025, 08:01:07 AM
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Slobodin was face down.

Igor's ego was checked by Zolotaryov's experience. Everybody was slow and tired. Igor would not jeopardize the outcome of the trek.

Everybody - can you use the links to the images from DYATLOVPASS.COM instead of uploading them to third party servers?
1. Copy the link
2. Paste in the post
3. Select the whole link and click the Mona Lisa icon (first on the left).

This was you are not advertising the third party - they add a link to their site on every image you upload, and most importantly when the third party disappears the image will still be in our forum.
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August 16, 2025, 01:45:57 PM
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I cannot understand this last comment about Igor, would not jeopardize the outcome of the trek. From what I think of Igor's personality it is with him being a freelance trekker otherwise we wouldnt have Dyatlov Pass (even though it is a worse path to take - he thought it was quicker and maybe better) and hey we don't even know which route he took them.

NB Are you resizing the pic posts because its wonderful not having larger ones that take up a whole screen, especially with multiple ones.
      Ok and while I am here, what is the purpose of the "say thanks" button as no one seems to use it. I thought it was a "well said" button that serves a purpose of 1) Well said and 2) We can save this flag to see how many people agree (which if you want could be another button).
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August 16, 2025, 04:05:06 PM
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I am resizing the photos and "Say thanks" stays because it lists the names that have said thanks under the post.

what is the purpose of the "say thanks" button as no one seems to use it.

You haven't been with the forum that long to claim such a thing.
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August 16, 2025, 05:09:12 PM
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I am resizing the photos and "Say thanks" stays because it lists the names that have said thanks under the post.

what is the purpose of the "say thanks" button as no one seems to use it.

You haven't been with the forum that long to claim such a thing. ( maybe, but now thinking about this comment when you have 1,234 posts and 2 thanks ) . OK will put it a different way, do "Say Thanks" reset to Zero at anytime or are they perpetual.
I am just trying to find out how the site works.
I feel like Joan of Arc before the King will listen to her.

That is what I am saying  -- Its a good idea (next best thing to FB) maybe there are other buttons you could have.
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August 16, 2025, 05:28:51 PM
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I am resizing the photos and "Say thanks" stays because it lists the names that have said thanks under the post.

what is the purpose of the "say thanks" button as no one seems to use it.

You haven't been with the forum that long to claim such a thing.

Wow I have just clicked on the "Say Thanks" underneath the Avatar and found a new way of sorting posts. Thanks Teddy (You can learn something new everyday ). x
 

August 16, 2025, 07:32:26 PM
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I am resizing the photos and "Say thanks" stays because it lists the names that have said thanks under the post.

what is the purpose of the "say thanks" button as no one seems to use it.

You haven't been with the forum that long to claim such a thing. ( maybe, but now thinking about this comment when you have 1,234 posts and 2 thanks ) . OK will put it a different way, do "Say Thanks" reset to Zero at anytime or are they perpetual.
I am just trying to find out how the site works.
I feel like Joan of Arc before the King will listen to her.

That is what I am saying  -- Its a good idea (next best thing to FB) maybe there are other buttons you could have.

The thanks button has been around for along time , i saw it as an agree or interesting point option .


Also  a way to appreciate individual point In a context of debate and contribution to the forum..



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August 16, 2025, 07:53:15 PM
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Igor's ego was checked by Zolotaryov's experience. Everybody was slow and tired. Igor would not jeopardize the outcome of the trek.



How would you know what Igor's ego was? Who was slow and tired, I is this not just speculation?

They had another 12 days of a hike( and the easier part of the hike was done) , to be tired on day 4 /5 is not a good indicator. It's speculation at at best perhaps?
 

August 16, 2025, 08:57:42 PM
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I do hope the ghost of Nigel is not stirring lol2  Back to the original post, it is a matter of record that IRZ perished in the direction of the tent. It is also stated here in this thread that going to the ridge and not Dyatlov Pass is the best way to leave the valley and eventually get to Vizhay. The point being that IRZ's location may not be definitive evidence that the tent was  pitched where it was found. It has been postulated elsewhere that IRZ were out in the snow to try and attract aircraft for rescue.

I would be interested to know that if the hikers were to extract themselves owing to injury of one or more of their party, how?. Would they cut the tent for cloaks? Would,they all build igloos? Would they make a sledge to drag an injured comrade? Would they set a tree on fire? Would they equip a messenger with skis and with extra supplies sending that person down the trail sking like the wind? I do not find evidence any of these things happened. This suggests that while in the woods, they couldn't use what they needed because their supplies were elsewhere.
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August 16, 2025, 09:23:31 PM
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I do hope the ghost of Nigel is not stirring lol2  Back to the original post, it is a matter of record that IRZ perished in the direction of the tent. It is also stated here in this thread that going to the ridge and not Dyatlov Pass is the best way to leave the valley and eventually get to Vizhay. The point being that IRZ's location may not be definitive evidence that the tent was  pitched where it was found. It has been postulated elsewhere that IRZ were out in the snow to try and attract aircraft for rescue.

They may not have being going anywhere :- Were they found with skiis , they make no mention. We think we know that the skis were used as a base for the tent and a pair of spare ones. So maybe thats where IRZ were going to get skis if we believe the tent was on the mountain. And no aircraft would be in the air in conditions like that, it would be suicide to wait for a passing aircraft to wave at, besides no one was looking for them at this stage.                       


Sometimes common sense isnt that common. bang1
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August 16, 2025, 09:37:44 PM
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Igor's ego was checked by Zolotaryov's experience. Everybody was slow and tired. Igor would not jeopardize the outcome of the trek.

How would you know what Igor's ego was? Who was slow and tired, I is this not just speculation?

They had another 12 days of a hike( and the easier part of the hike was done) , to be tired on day 4 /5 is not a good indicator. It's speculation at at best perhaps?

Yes its speculation but by everyone. Igor messed with electronics and invented a box with a pipe sticking out - Probably the first Tent Oven.

Maybe to say 4/5 being not a good indicator is being a bit harsh. Nobody could have foreseen the atrocious conditions prevalent at that time. I think the Ural University dept had specific conditions for the group to attain there credit rating but were these in favourable weather ?


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August 17, 2025, 03:52:11 AM
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I am resizing the photos and "Say thanks" stays because it lists the names that have said thanks under the post.

what is the purpose of the "say thanks" button as no one seems to use it.

You haven't been with the forum that long to claim such a thing. ( maybe, but now thinking about this comment when you have 1,234 posts and 2 thanks ) . OK will put it a different way, do "Say Thanks" reset to Zero at anytime or are they perpetual.
I am just trying to find out how the site works.
I feel like Joan of Arc before the King will listen to her.

That is what I am saying  -- Its a good idea (next best thing to FB) maybe there are other buttons you could have.

The thanks button has been around for along time , i saw it as an agree or interesting point option .


Also  a way to appreciate individual point In a context of debate and contribution to the forum..




Are you trying to let everyone know how popular you are, Ziljoe?  lol2

I keep seeing the button change, probably because it's still a work in progress. It said "Karma" a couple of days ago, and then that switched to a thanks button. Now that's gone as well. I'm wondering what's up with the Asian writing at the tops of pages.
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August 17, 2025, 04:50:21 AM
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Are you trying to let everyone know how popular you are, Ziljoe?  lol2

I keep seeing the button change, probably because it's still a work in progress. It said "Karma" a couple of days ago, and then that switched to a thanks button. Now that's gone as well. I'm wondering what's up with the Asian writing at the tops of pages.

Unfortunately,I wouldn't say it was for popularity. , a couple of years ago a forum members sense of humour was a bit off . But that was a long time ago....stats don't tell us much for reason the why.

I believe that it was a natural event

The interesting part is the topics .
 

August 17, 2025, 05:14:44 AM
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Igor's ego was checked by Zolotaryov's experience. Everybody was slow and tired. Igor would not jeopardize the outcome of the trek.

How would you know what Igor's ego was? Who was slow and tired, I is this not just speculation?

They had another 12 days of a hike( and the easier part of the hike was done) , to be tired on day 4 /5 is not a good indicator. It's speculation at at best perhaps?

Yes its speculation but by everyone. Igor messed with electronics and invented a box with a pipe sticking out - Probably the first Tent Oven.

Maybe to say 4/5 being not a good indicator is being a bit harsh. Nobody could have foreseen the atrocious conditions prevalent at that time. I think the Ural University dept had specific conditions for the group to attain there credit rating but were these in favourable weather ?


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I think they all had their projects, I'm sure one of the group also made rockets. It was part of their education to put radios together, we had similar education in our youth.

I don't think the stove was a new invention at all. When it says Igor built a stove , it just means he built one . It is not overly technical and hot tenting was not uncommon.

Everyone would know that the weather could and would change. That is part of hiking and being prepared. The two other hikes ran into problems for various reasons also. Tourists , as they are known did such things , a lot.

The UPI got improvements advised at the end of the report and several staff were repremanded or moved on.