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August 19, 2025, 07:22:50 PM
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Timothy McDorman


Why did (here I apologize for not providing the names, because I am still learning) some die of hypothermia while others suffered severe wounds? If one or more of the group perpetrated the attacks they would most certainly have returned to the tent for clothing. The attacks came from outside and the attacker(s) chased some down and used primitive means to kill their prey. Some escaped and hid while the tent was guarded. Those that could attempted to get to the tent but perished before they could make it back. Soldiers of any army would have used knives, guns or any means to kill those they were pursuing. What would the soldiers have to be concerned about regarding the method of death for those of the Dyatlov group if they were ordered to kill? I don't believe it was soldiers as the method was so sloppy.
I have to ask the question: who would even know that the group was at that very spot in order to create this entire tragedy?
Just thinking out loud, but why dismiss the entire Mansi population? Perhaps they felt disrespected in some way after or during the Dyatlov visit. I can't imagine that one individual was able to subdue nine individuals without struggle.
Given the culture of the time in the Soviet Union, the public may have been spared the gruesome events near Otorton. In other words, a coverup.
If no one had escaped from the Gulag (not saying this is impossible, but why draw attention to yourself by chasing down and murdering people) then who is left? I keep coming back to the Mansi.
I just received the book "1079" and intend to read it. Maybe I will be persuaded to change my opinion.
 

August 19, 2025, 09:44:56 PM
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ahabmyth


Welcome to the group Tim. You will find a lot (sometimes I think too much information) here but most of it will give you plenty of Hypothesis for solving this case. So far I think many have come close but one idea melds into another and collapses. It is very very intriguing so go ahead ,see if you can manage us.
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August 20, 2025, 12:54:59 PM
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I tend to think two events happened. The compelling natural force, and then the mutiny, exodus, and fighting amongst themselves. Take your pick, it's like College Football brackets lol.
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August 20, 2025, 05:42:18 PM
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ahabmyth


I tend to think two events happened. The compelling natural force, and then the mutiny, exodus, and fighting amongst themselves. Take your pick, it's like College Football brackets lol.
I think thats four things isnt it.
I think the only thing they would be mutinying about would be who goes in the middle while everyone else cuddles up to keep them warm and how long they do this before they change places. ------   ooh me me ,me first, me me.
 

August 21, 2025, 04:05:21 PM
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I think thats four things isnt it.
I think the only thing they would be mutinying about would be who goes in the middle while everyone else cuddles up to keep them warm and how long they do this before they change places. ------   ooh me me ,me first, me me.
You are completely wrong in presenting the history of events. There is some cold in the center of your imagination. It was very hot to sleep in the center of the tent (with a hot stove hanging over you), so no one wanted to sleep in the center of the tent.
 

August 21, 2025, 07:56:02 PM
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I think thats four things isnt it.
I think the only thing they would be mutinying about would be who goes in the middle while everyone else cuddles up to keep them warm and how long they do this before they change places. ------   ooh me me ,me first, me me.
You are completely wrong in presenting the history of events. There is some cold in the center of your imagination. It was very hot to sleep in the center of the tent (with a hot stove hanging over you), so no one wanted to sleep in the center of the tent.
Yes I remember a conversation between the girls and I think it was Zolo moved out from the area and the girls giving orders insisted Yuri Kriv sleep there. Now this reminds me :- question - was the stove exactly in the middle of the tent. If so we are looking at a 2mtr long exhaust pipe and the dia I reckon would be at least 3" more likely 4" ,This is a huge amount to lug around. I would say the stove would be fairly near the 2-3ft mark. Do you know for sure as supposedly the stove was found in its box unused on this night.
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August 24, 2025, 10:52:26 PM
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Ziljoe


Why did (here I apologize for not providing the names, because I am still learning) some die of hypothermia while others suffered severe wounds?


Hi Timothy,

From what I've managed to understand is the group largely died from the cold and exposure. The autopsy reports don't seem to be hiding anything and are written in the style and method of its time.

Although still a struggle to explain , it must be noted that the injuries at the ravine are similar with crush injuries. Especially with the lungs ribs and heart. Many will argue but where the injuries occurred is also important, at the tree , tent site or Ravine.

The four main natural explanations for the ravine 4 injuries are , 1)a falling tree ,2) falling out of the tree ,3) snow den collapse at the ravine,4) a slab slide at the tent on the slope.



If one or more of the group perpetrated the attacks they would most certainly have returned to the tent for clothing. The attacks came from outside and the attacker(s) chased some down and used primitive means to kill their prey. Some escaped and hid while the tent was guarded. Those that could attempted to get to the tent but perished before they could make it back.

A huge problem is we have no motive for an attack , the hikers are a formidable force of 9 fit and strong people , so anyone trying to attack would need extra numbers of people or a gun. There are no traces of footprints /ski prints / campsites or signs of others in the area, this was concluded during the initial search phase following the path of the hikers and working backwards from Ortorten to where they eventually found the tent.


Soldiers of any army would have used knives, guns or any means to kill those they were pursuing. What would the soldiers have to be concerned about regarding the method of death for those of the Dyatlov group if they were ordered to kill?
I don't believe it was soldiers as the method was so sloppy.

I agree with you here, a bullet to the head and move on. I don't think anyone is chasing anyone around in the wild. Any attackers would have the same logistical problems, carrying food , their own shelter , blankets , the cold and that the weather might trap them for days anywhere in the mountains. But as you move on to say there were Mansi in the area , they would notice many things.

I have to ask the question: who would even know that the group was at that very spot in order to create this entire tragedy?
Just thinking out loud, but why dismiss the entire Mansi population?
Perhaps they felt disrespected in some way after or during the Dyatlov visit. I can't imagine that one individual was able to subdue nine individuals without struggle.
Given the culture of the time in the Soviet Union, the public may have been spared the gruesome events near Otorton. In other words, a coverup.

They the Mansi were initially suspected but nothing was found. Some have made a link to one of the Mansi though , he was charged with murder at some point and was in one of the prison's but came to be quite successful, his family name also seems to be on one of the photos of the Mansi tree signs. He was involved in the search and according to another author had a checkered pass.


If no one had escaped from the Gulag (not saying this is impossible, but why draw attention to yourself by chasing down and murdering people) then who is left? I keep coming back to the Mansi.
I just received the book "1079" and intend to read it. Maybe I will be persuaded to change my opinion.

Nature is left .
 

August 25, 2025, 12:32:57 AM
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I think that the cause of death could have been poisoning from various factors. For example, it could have been poisoning from an explosion. I am not saying this for nothing. I have studied this issue, I have author's certificates for 8 manuals on the basics of life safety.
 

August 25, 2025, 06:55:32 AM
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Ziljoe


I think that the cause of death could have been poisoning from various factors. For example, it could have been poisoning from an explosion. I am not saying this for nothing. I have studied this issue, I have author's certificates for 8 manuals on the basics of life safety.

It sounds interesting axelrod, could you expand on how you think it may be poisoning from an explosion?

Obviously you might get a few comments but I would like to hear it, if you are happy to share but keep it short to start with, like the source of the explosion, they reactions and so on.
 

August 25, 2025, 07:32:06 AM
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There may be different versions of the explosion. For example, Teodora talks about a tree that fell from the explosion.
Vozrozhdennyi also describes the consequences of the blast wave.
Pensioner Ankudinov says that Vozrozhdennyi describes to him the mechanical effect of the blast wave.
But I think that Vozrozhdennyi and Ankudinov are not experts in this, so they cannot comment on such things.
The effect of the blast wave may be caused by the toxic effect of the gases that caused this wave.

It is also unclear how the blast wave could have affected Dyatlov.
I think that the toxic components of the explosion also affected him.
I wrote a message to Teodora so that she would quickly translate Yudin's answers on this topic.
 

August 25, 2025, 12:53:44 PM
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ahabmyth


There may be different versions of the explosion. For example, Teodora talks about a tree that fell from the explosion.
Vozrozhdennyi also describes the consequences of the blast wave.
Pensioner Ankudinov says that Vozrozhdennyi describes to him the mechanical effect of the blast wave.
But I think that Vozrozhdennyi and Ankudinov are not experts in this, so they cannot comment on such things.
The effect of the blast wave may be caused by the toxic effect of the gases that caused this wave.

It is also unclear how the blast wave could have affected Dyatlov.
I think that the toxic components of the explosion also affected him.
I wrote a message to Teodora so that she would quickly translate Yudin's answers on this topic.

So if I understand this correctly, we are to assume that at the tent near the cedars there was an explosion nearby which had the force effect of collapsing a tree onto the hikers and that this explosion also had a toxic effect on the hikers Igor in particular.
Sorry I havnt read the book.

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October 31, 2025, 06:48:16 PM
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sarapuk

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Welcome to the group Tim. You will find a lot (sometimes I think too much information) here but most of it will give you plenty of Hypothesis for solving this case. So far I think many have come close but one idea melds into another and collapses. It is very very intriguing so go ahead ,see if you can manage us.

[ The information piles up. The input from all comers is welcome if it's reasonably constructive. Lots of ground is covered over and over again as time goes by. But that's to be expected, I suppose. ] 
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October 31, 2025, 06:51:31 PM
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sarapuk

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I think that the cause of death could have been poisoning from various factors. For example, it could have been poisoning from an explosion. I am not saying this for nothing. I have studied this issue, I have author's certificates for 8 manuals on the basics of life safety.

[ But there are no manuals for the Dyatlov mystery. We all have to try and figure out what the hell happened with very little evidence to go by. Maybe one day the Russian authorities will release classified information. Also, what really happened to the tent? Did it really get destroyed because it was found in storage to have been going a bit rotten? ]
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October 31, 2025, 06:53:36 PM
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sarapuk

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There may be different versions of the explosion. For example, Teodora talks about a tree that fell from the explosion.
Vozrozhdennyi also describes the consequences of the blast wave.
Pensioner Ankudinov says that Vozrozhdennyi describes to him the mechanical effect of the blast wave.
But I think that Vozrozhdennyi and Ankudinov are not experts in this, so they cannot comment on such things.
The effect of the blast wave may be caused by the toxic effect of the gases that caused this wave.

It is also unclear how the blast wave could have affected Dyatlov.
I think that the toxic components of the explosion also affected him.
I wrote a message to Teodora so that she would quickly translate Yudin's answers on this topic.

So if I understand this correctly, we are to assume that at the tent near the cedars there was an explosion nearby which had the force effect of collapsing a tree onto the hikers and that this explosion also had a toxic effect on the hikers Igor in particular.
Sorry I havnt read the book.

[ The book in question is one theory. But its not a theory shared by many investigators into the Dyatlov mystery. ]
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