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February 01, 2026, 01:25:58 PM
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GlennM


Have you heard of Google's Project Genie? There might be an opportunity for researcher's on the Forum to try out different scenarios.
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February 01, 2026, 01:49:40 PM
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New to me . Can you expand ?
 

February 01, 2026, 09:21:32 PM
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Ziljoe, as I understand it, Project Genie uses AI to construct short animations based on a user's typewritten instructions, I believe the finished animation is a 30 second clip. I think it might be useful in the forum for researcher's wanting to explore different vignettes of the event. If nothing else, it could possibly be useful in weedung out absurd possibilities.
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February 02, 2026, 08:27:48 AM
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Although I do use AI now and again, I'm rather a sceptic.

If it's only a movie designed after the input of someone, there's nothing completely new about this. You could have drawn a movie before. It's still no prove. It's not even a sign of plausibility really. Important is, if the calculations add up, if the measurements fit.

But I do think, it's be nice as a kind of illustration of ones theory.
 

February 02, 2026, 08:05:32 PM
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Exactly! Good analysis.
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February 13, 2026, 01:21:32 PM
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Have you heard of Google's Project Genie? There might be an opportunity for researcher's on the Forum to try out different scenarios.

First time I've heard of it but there are a lot of AI tools appearing all the time now. Worth checking out. Not sure it can help throw much light on our problem.
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February 13, 2026, 01:23:47 PM
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Although I do use AI now and again, I'm rather a sceptic.

If it's only a movie designed after the input of someone, there's nothing completely new about this. You could have drawn a movie before. It's still no prove. It's not even a sign of plausibility really. Important is, if the calculations add up, if the measurements fit.

But I do think, it's be nice as a kind of illustration of ones theory.

Please give it a try seeing as you have used AI. I'm also doubtful about its capabilities regarding the Dyatlov case. But I suppose we have to try new things.
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February 13, 2026, 01:38:38 PM
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There are two things, that will probably keep me from using it myself.
A: My experience with Microsoft, Google and the like is, that they require me to create an account for using their AI and tools, which I am in no way willing to do.
B: I'm not good in prompting AI and I'm even worse in prompting AI to create pictures, so I expect, I'd be horrible in creating a movielike thing.

But I am totally willing to look at anything you guys come up with. :)
 
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February 13, 2026, 04:02:52 PM
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AI synthesizes the known. We hope it produces a novel result. It just summarises. It is the same problem as trying to decode the Voynich manuscript using AI when all human effort has failed. AI will become much more intelligent when a human actually figures things out. Good parrot! thanky1
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February 13, 2026, 05:54:13 PM
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Depends on what we ask AI. Google says.


the dyatlov pass is has been manipulated into a money spinning



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The 1959 Dyatlov Pass incident has become a significant, albeit controversial, commercial attraction in Russia, evolving from a local tragedy into a "money-spinning" tourist, media, and conspiracy industry.
Commercialized Tourism: Tour operators offer specialized, high-priced trips to the site of the tragedy in the Northern Urals, including helicopter or jeep access, with packages costing around 4990€. The area has become a popular destination for tourists, often referred to as "Dead Mountain".
"Dark Tourism" and Risk: The site draws adventure tourists, some of whom are reportedly unprepared for the extreme, dangerous conditions. These treks are often marketed around the morbid mystery of the nine hikers who died there.
Conspiracy Economy: The incident has spawned countless books, documentaries (such as on the Discovery Channel), and online content, driven by unproven theories including yeti attacks, KGB cover-ups, or alien intervention.
Digital Interest: The mystery has a massive online presence, with hashtags like #DyatlovPass garnering millions of views, further feeding the commercial interest.
Exploitation Criticism: The commercialization has faced criticism for turning a, tragic, and, according to recent studies, "normal" (yet, in this case, fatal) natural event into a spectacle, potentially disrespecting the victims and their families.



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The 1959 Dyatlov Pass incident, in which nine Soviet hikers died under mysterious circumstances, has evolved from a historical mystery into a significant commercial and media phenomenon. Over the past six decades, the event has been heavily leveraged for profit, generating a "money-spinning" industry built on tourism, media, and conspiracy theories.
Commercialization and Tourism
"Dead Mountain" Tourism: The site in the Ural Mountains is now a destination for thrill-seeking tourists and extreme winter expeditions, often marketed by travel agencies as "Dead Mountain" or "Dyatlov Pass".
Regional Economic Activity: The popularity of the mystery attracts visitors to the Sverdlovsk Oblast region, bringing income to local tour operators and souvenir vendors.
Memorial as Attraction: The site has a formal memorial marker for the hikers, transforming the location of their deaths into a tourism landmark.
Media and Intellectual Property Profit
Countless Media Products: The incident has been the subject of numerous books, documentaries, podcasts, and fictional films.
"Expedition Unknown": Shows like Discovery Channel’s Expedition Unknown have featured the incident, using it for high-rated, investigative entertainment.
Conspiracy Industry: The enduring mystery has created a market for speculative books and online content, which thrive on the "unexplained" nature of the case rather than scientific explanations.
Investigation and Publicity
2019 Reopening: The Russian government reopened the case in 2019, which not only served to address lingering doubts but also renewed mainstream media interest in the story.
Publicity Stunts: Some investigations have been described as potential publicity stunts designed to keep the mystery alive in the public eye.
While scientific consensus has shifted towards a natural, if tragic, avalanche explanation, the commercial appeal of the conspiracy theories ensures that the event continues to be managed as a profitable, mysterious, and, at times, sensationalized, cultural product.


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The 1959 Dyatlov Pass incident—where nine Soviet hikers died under bizarre circumstances in the Ural Mountains—is a complex mix of both a historical cover-up and modern, commercialized sensationalism.
While modern scientific research has provided a plausible natural explanation, the initial Soviet suppression of information fueled decades of conspiracy theories that are now heavily marketed for entertainment and tourism.
Here is a breakdown of the two perspectives:
1. Is it a Cover-Up by the USSR? (Historical Evidence)
The initial investigation in 1959 showed strong signs of a cover-up, or at the very least, extreme incompetence and censorship common in the Soviet era.
Secrecy: The case files were sent to a secret archive immediately after the investigation was closed.
"Compelling Natural Force": The official Soviet conclusion stated the hikers died from an "unknown, insurmountable force of nature".
The Findings: The tent was cut from the inside, bodies were found partially clothed, some had high levels of radiation on their clothing, and some had inexplicable, violent injuries, such as broken ribs and crushed skulls, with no external injuries.
Military Involvement: Many believe the hikers stumbled into a secret Soviet weapons testing zone (possibly involving parachute mines or radiation tests), which the government tried to hide.
2. Is it a Money-Spinning Event? (Modern Situation)
Due to the intense, unanswered questions, the incident has been turned into a "money-spinning" industry of "mystery-mongering".
Conspiracy Industry: The mystery has generated endless books, documentaries, YouTube videos, and movies (e.g., Devil's Pass), which often focus on sensational theories like aliens, yetis, or KGB plots over scientific findings.
Tourism: The site has been named "Dyatlov Pass" (formerly a nameless slope on Kholat Syakhl) and attracts tourists, despite its remote, dangerous, and inhospitable nature.
Media Frenzy: Renewed interest has been driven by social media platforms like TikTok, turning a tragedy into a popular, sensationalized, "true crime" brand.
3. The Scientific Consensus (The Likely Truth)
Recent studies (2021) suggest a far more prosaic, yet still terrifying, explanation: a slab avalanche.
The Scenario: A small, delayed slab avalanche occurred in the middle of the night, likely caused by the way the hikers cut the slope to pitch their tent, combined with strong, cold, katabatic winds.
The Injuries: The snow slab, while not massive, was heavy enough to crush some of the hikers in their sleep, causing car-crash-like injuries, leading to the rest of the group panicking and cutting their way out to survive.
The Flight: The survivors were forced to flee into -25°C weather, leading to hypothermia, paradoxical undressing (feeling hot and stripping off clothing), and eventually death.
Radiation: The radioactive residue on clothing is now attributed to previous exposure by a member who worked in a contaminated zone or the presence of thorium in their gas lanterns.
Summary: The Soviet government likely covered up the incompetence that led to the deaths (a tragic accident during a military zone incident or just a failure to properly rescue them), which created a void filled by conspiracy theorists who now monetize the mystery.

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The "Cattle Mutilation" and Injuries
The mention of "cattle mutilation" likely stems from reports that some bodies were missing tongues, eyes, and eyebrows, or had strange skin discolorations.
Scavengers & Decomposition: Experts have argued that these injuries are consistent with scavenging animals (birds or small predators) and the natural mummification process, as some bodies lay in a stream for months.
Trauma: Injuries, including fractured skulls and broken ribs, were deemed consistent with a "car crash-like" impact, which aligns with the theory of a small, localized slab avalanche.
The Most Plausible Explanation
In 2020–2021, researchers from ETH Zurich and EPFL published studies suggesting a delayed slab avalanche triggered by the hikers cutting into the slope, combined with, or caused by, intense katabatic winds. This theory explains the panicked exit, the broken tent, and the severe injuries, without needing to resort to conspiracies. However, the mystery endures because people often prefer a thrilling, unsolved puzzle over a mundane explanation.



Ai just reads the data, perhaps I'm not asking the right question
 

February 13, 2026, 06:57:45 PM
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GlennM


Ziljoe's contribution from Google AI should make it very clear to our forum that whereas we are splitters, Google AI is a lumper when it comes to information. It demonstrates to us the value of reading the case files and seeing clearly what has been overlaid by computational extrapolation. Good work, Ziljoe.
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February 16, 2026, 11:02:52 AM
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Ziljoe's contribution from Google AI should make it very clear to our forum that whereas we are splitters, Google AI is a lumper when it comes to information. It demonstrates to us the value of reading the case files and seeing clearly what has been overlaid by computational extrapolation. Good work, Ziljoe.

It looks like AI has got a long way to go yet before it can analyse things the way we can. AI does not think.
DB
 
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