Algunas teorías y posibles detalles

[Javier]

Hola, soy nuevo aquí en este foro y quisiera intentar aportar posibles teorías, pero antes quisiera presentarme.
Mi nombre es Javier, tengo 55 años y soy del sur de España, y como actualmente dispongo de algo de tiempo he decidido intentar de comprender algo más sobre el inquietante suceso del paso de Dyatlov.
Desde mi punto de vista y al igual que otros muchos miembros del foro, no acepto la teoría de la avalancha por algunas cuestiones que intentaré explicaros.

1º/En el supuesto de que hubiera sido una avalancha y que los excursionistas hubiesen sido gravemente heridos, no comprendo ni como ni por qué se alejaron a tanta distancia de la tienda, sabiendo que están gravemente heridos y con temperaturas de -25º en la noche, sería ir a una muerte segura.

2º/ En el caso de haber sido una avalancha de placas gruesas de hielo duro...la tienda de campaña hubiera quedado aplastada por completo. En las fotos se aprecian los dos extremos de la tienda  aún en pie y los bastones de los esquíes aún en pie clavados en la nieve y dentro de a tienda todas sus pertenencias estaban ordenadas y no aplastadas ni rotas.

3º/ En el lugar donde vivo, en pleno invierno las temperaturas raramente descienden por debajo de los 5 grados centígrados, pero os aseguro que si yo me viese en la misma situación que los excursionistas después de la supuesta avalancha, nunca optaría por abandonar mi único refugio con ropa, alimentos, Botiquín, incluso la estufa y todas las pertenencias, lo más sensato hubiera sido quitar toda la nieve posible que impida pasar al menos esa noche dentro de la tienda, tapando con ropa sobrante, mantas los cortes de la lona, para que les afecte menos el frío, y a la mañana siguiente los miembros que estuvieran en mejores condiciones y menos heridos, regresarían a buscar ayuda, para que puedan atender al resto del grupo de excursionistas accidentados.

4º/ Tampoco puede entender por que en la fotos de los alrededores de la tienda, no se aprecian esas supuestas placas de de hielo que provocaron esas graves lesiones a los excursionistas. Con esas bajas temperaturas las lozas de hielos deberías seguir cerca del lugar, y para entender todo esto que os comento, no hace falta ser experto, solo es de sentido común.

Saludos camaradas 

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Hello, I am new here in this forum and I would like to try to contribute possible theories, but first I would like to introduce myself.

My name is Javier, I am 55 years old and I am from the south of Spain, and since I currently have some time I have decided to try to understand something more about the disturbing event of the Dyatlov pass.

From my point of view and like many members of the forum, I do not accept the avalanche theory for some issues that I will try to explain to you.

In the assumption that it had been an avalanche and that the hikers had been seriously injured, I do not understand how or why they moved so far away from the store, knowing that they are seriously injured and with temperatures of -25º at night, it would be to go to a certain death.

2º/ In the case of having been an avalanche of thick hard ice plates... the tent would have been completely crushed. In the photos you can see the two ends of the tent still standing and the ski poles still standing nailed in the snow and inside the store all their belongings were tidy and not crushed or broken.

3º/ In the place where I live, in the middle of winter the temperatures rarely drop below 5 degrees Celsius, but I assure you that if I saw myself in the same situation as the hikers after the supposed avalanche, I would never choose to leave my only shelter with clothes, food, first aid kit, even the stove and all the belongings, the most sensible thing would have been to remove all the snow possible that would have prevented spending at least that night inside the tent, covering with leftover clothes, blankets the cuts of the canvas, so that the cold affects them less, and in the morning Next, the members who were in better condition and less injured, would return to seek help, so that they could attend to the rest of the group of injured hikers.

4º/ Nor can you understand why in the photos around the store, you can't see those supposed ice plates that caused those serious injuries to the hikers. With those low temperatures the ice crockery you should stay close to the place, and to understand all this that I tell you, you don't need to be an expert, it's just common sense.

Greetings comrades

[Ziljoe]

Hi Javier,

Welcome to the mad house. You may be required to post in english unfortunately.

For further understanding, there are several interpretations and types of avalanche being discussed.

Theres the avalanche concept that they were injured at the tent and a theory that they weren't injured at the tent by the avalanche but they left the tent because snow collapsed on half of the tent.

There are no photos showing the tent standing at both ends and in the photos of the tent when found , there are a couple of ski poles leaning down slope. It is only the south end ski pole holding up the entrance  and the north side is found collapsed and two guy ropes were broken too.

The context of leaving the tent is to do with they couldn't retrieve their equipment, therefore they moved to the forest. They probably didn't know exactly where they were in regards to 1079 and feared more snow to come down ?

Im not sure what you mean by ice patches but there was 3 weeks from the night of the incident and the discovery of the tent.

Its probably best to go straight to your theory or ideas ,as the avalanche theory is what it is. It did or didn't happen but can't be ruled out.

[Senior Maldonado]

no acepto la teoría de la avalancha por algunas cuestiones que intentaré explicaros.

Very wise approach!

The avalanche theory was not considered at all in 1959. At that time, Soviet authorities put forward the 'Big Hurricane' theory, but relatives of the victims did not accept it. What is remarkable, the case investigation team did not accept "big hurricane" either, they preferred to introduce unnamed elemental force.

The avalanche theory came into spotlight, when the case files became public and everybody learned that some of the hikers had awful internal traumas. Indeed, furious avalanche seems to be able to make this kind of traumas, but it needs to be Alpine style avalanche gaining force over hundreds and hundreds meters. Urals' avalanches are different. They rather cause suffocation, not bones' cracks. Also, agonized people do not walk on slopes and do not light fires. Thus avalanche followers have to introduce one more snow incident, which presumably took palce in the ravine and caused the traumas. But two deadly snow incidents in a row do not look realistic, are they?

[Axelrod]

I'll post the text here in English and Spanish.

First of all, I'd like to point out that my uncle, Moses Axelrod, was involved in promoting the avalanche theory. He died on March 1, 1998 (39 years later, instead of the Dyatlov Pass, he ended up in a cemetery).
So, for three or four years, I decided I had the opportunity to study this topic.

In particular, this is similar to the scenario where the Prophet Moses led the Jews through the desert for 40 years, and only after his death did the people reach the Promised Land. The Prophet Moses was unable to lead the people to the Promised Land in 39 years.
I became interested in this topic in May 2022. In 2023, I compiled the investigation log into a book, which I have been constantly expanding. The link is on the second page of the forum.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1650.0

Recently, another mysterious case arose, and I switched to it as a potential book project.

If you speak Spanish, you might be able to spot errors in the text when automatically translating English text into Spanish. We can investigate and correct them.
Errors often occur when translating into German and Spanish. Concordance between masculine and feminine gender, singular and plural.
If you have difficulty writing in English, we can write private messages in Spanish.

Hugo Nowotny, a colleague of mine from a previous job who helped us with the Spanish translations, is now in Argentina. Although he worked there as a Russian teacher, he is also interested in meditation. Twenty years ago, they built a meditation temple in the Andes.
When I discussed with him in the summer of 2008, showing him the snow-covered slopes of the meditation park, whether an avalanche could occur there and destroy all their buildings, he laughed and said that such a thing had never happened there in history. Avalanches usually occur where there is also a rockfall. Since then, I have been skeptical of the avalanche theory.

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Publicaré el texto aquí en inglés y español.

Antes que nada, quisiera señalar que mi tío, Moses Axelrod, participó en la promoción de la teoría de las avalanchas. Falleció el 1 de marzo de 1998 (39 años después, en lugar del Paso Dyatlov, terminó en un cementerio).
Así que, durante tres o cuatro años, decidí que tenía la oportunidad de estudiar este tema.

En particular, esto es similar al escenario en el que el profeta Moisés guió a los judíos por el desierto durante 40 años, y solo después de su muerte el pueblo llegó a la Tierra Prometida. El profeta Moisés no pudo guiar al pueblo a la Tierra Prometida en 39 años.
Me interesé por este tema en mayo de 2022. En 2023, recopilé el registro de la investigación en un libro, que he ido ampliando constantemente. El enlace está en la segunda página del foro.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1650.0

Recientemente, surgió otro caso misterioso, y lo cambié como posible proyecto para un libro.


Si habla español, podría detectar errores en el texto al traducir automáticamente del inglés al español. Podemos investigarlos y corregirlos.
A menudo se producen errores al traducir al alemán y al español. Concordancia entre género masculino y femenino, singular y plural.
Si tiene dificultades para escribir en inglés, podemos escribir mensajes privados en español.

Hugo Nowotny, un colega mío de un trabajo anterior que nos ayudó con las traducciones al español, está ahora en Argentina. Aunque trabajó allí como profesor de ruso, también le interesa la meditación. Hace veinte años, construyeron un templo de meditación en los Andes.
Cuando hablé con él en el verano de 2008, mostrándole las laderas nevadas del parque de meditación, sobre si una avalancha podría ocurrir allí y destruir todos sus edificios, se rió y dijo que algo así nunca había sucedido allí en la historia. Las avalanchas suelen ocurrir donde también hay desprendimientos de rocas. Desde entonces, he sido escéptico con la teoría de las avalanchas.

[Javier]

Thank you very much to everyone, and I apologize for communicating in Spanish, but I only know a few words in English. For my part, I don’t have that problem with you since the computer translates it for me automatically. 
Replying to Ziljoe: I mean that there doesn’t appear to be enough snow or ice blocks on top of the tent to justify the serious injuries of the hikers. 
I have read and seen some comments and documentaries about this theory, and most agree that it is unlikely (but it cannot be ruled out). 

I have a drastic theory about what could have happened to the hikers that terrible night. I am starting a new topic to try to explain it.

[Ziljoe]

Thank you Javier .

I do not think an avalanche caused the injuries also. I lean more towards some build up of snow that just slid onto half of the tent as the reason for cutting their way out. I understand that some people disagree but i wouldn't say most.

The slope at the tent does not seem to be steep enough but it is steeper further up. I consider that they may have felt they were in a danger zone or rather weren't exactly sure where they were located relative to the top of 1079.

However , i have not heard anything much better than the avalanche. Infrasound and strong winds come next or perhaps a combination.

I look forward to your theory. It sounds like something new?

[Javier]

Thank you for your interest. I don't think my theory is anything new, and from what I've read and heard, I still believe that what happened to the hikers was at the hands of others who intended to end their lives. However, my theory doesn't mean that other catastrophes, like the avalanche or strong gusts of wind, didn't occur during the time the hikers were missing. I still think something very suspicious happened. I also don't rule out the possibility that it could have been someone from the hiking group.

Let's consider an important factor: some of the hikers' clothing contained radiation.
Has anyone considered the possibility that someone in the Dyatlov group tried to smuggle radioactive material or documents to a country with military purposes that intended to secretly launch a nuclear program, and kept this secret from the other hikers?

I want to remind you that:

* Yuri Krivonischenko graduated from UPI in 1957 with a degree in Construction and Hydraulics. While working at Chelyabinsk, a secret nuclear facility from the 1940s, he participated in the cleanup after a catastrophe known as the Kyshtym Disaster.

*Aleksander Kolevatov, Fourth-year student at UPI - Nuclear Physics.

If this were the case, the Soviet KGB or the Soviet army might have found out or suspected him and waited for him there to teach him a lesson.
What do you think of this concept?

[Senior Maldonado]

If this were the case, the Soviet KGB or the Soviet army might have found out or suspected him and waited for him there to teach him a lesson.
What do you think of this concept?

This concept is totaly wrong, IMHO. If Soviet military or KGB had wanted to punish traitors, they would have used more traditional methods -- bullet in head or imprisonment. The key point here is that nobody wanted or tried to kill the students. They became victims of rocket accident, and initially rocket's operators did not even understand how that had happened. The authorities considered misc options, and they sent Klinov to supervise the autopsies and to take appropriate measures if bodies' inspection had revealed involvement of "fireballs".

[Javier]

If this were the case, the Soviet KGB or the Soviet army might have found out or suspected him and waited for him there to teach him a lesson.
What do you think of this concept?

This concept is totaly wrong, IMHO. If Soviet military or KGB had wanted to punish traitors, they would have used more traditional methods -- bullet in head or imprisonment. The key point here is that nobody wanted or tried to kill the students. They became victims of rocket accident, and initially rocket's operators did not even understand how that had happened. The authorities considered misc options, and they sent Klinov to supervise the autopsies and to take appropriate measures if bodies' inspection had revealed involvement of "fireballs".

In that case... why then didn't they find remains of those rockets? Why do the victims have clear signs of violent struggle? My opinion is that there was something shady and it was hidden, without ruling out other possibilities unrelated to the government.

[Senior Maldonado]

why then didn't they find remains of those rockets? Why do the victims have clear signs of violent struggle?

Rocket's parts are not allowed to be scattered in public areas. Mansi, geologists, tourists are not supposed to have free access to samples of modern and secret technologies. In case of an incident with a rocket special team arrived to the spot, collected all parts, and delivered them to the factory or to a special stock. At the Pass, so called Sharavin's circle in snow was spotted, which is a good candidate for the rocket's landing point.

Also, if no rocket's parts found means full stop for that theory for you, why are you not confused by no strangers' traces found? Killers cannot move in air, they have to leave traces in snow.

What are clear signs of violent struggle? Do you mean a fistfight between hikers? The medical expert, who did the autopsies, explaned that a few hikers were hit by unknown force that could be compared to the force of a highspeed car or to the force of an explosion. People and animals are not able to develop such force, it was much stronger.

[Javier]

Mr. Maldonado. Your theory does not match the fact that they left the store tearing one of its sides and then walked 1,500 meters almost naked and barefoot to certain death by hypothermia. In addition, the forensic doctor also mentions fighting practices as I mentioned.

1. The forensic report of Yuri Doroshenko's autopsy states that… “soft tissue on the right cheek covered with gray foam; gray fluid oozing from his open mouth. The most evident cause is pulmonary edema” (there are many more findings in the report, but let's focus on this one). The gray, foamy fluid found on the deceased's right cheek sparked speculation that, before death, someone or something was pressing on his chest cavity. This blunt method was common for interrogations by the NKVD (Stalin's Secret Police) and Special Forces.

2. The forensic report of Yuri Krivonischenko's autopsy states that… Diffuse bleeding in the right temporal and occipital region due to damage to the temporalis muscle. Bruising around the left temporal bone. The back of the right hand is swollen. 1. On the middle phalanges of the fingers, there are 4-5 skin wounds with hard edges and a charred surface.

3. The forensic autopsy report for Igor Dyatlov states that… “The metacarpophalangeal joints of the right hand showed brown and red bruising. This is a common injury in hand-to-hand combat.”

4. The forensic autopsy report for Zinaida states that… “a long, bright red hematoma measuring 29 x 6 cm was found in the lumbar region on the right side of the torso. The bruise appears to have been caused by a stick.”

5. The forensic autopsy report for Rustem states that… “Hematomas were found on the metacarpophalangeal joints of both hands (bruised knuckles). Similar bruising is common in hand-to-hand combat. Swollen lips.”

6. The forensic autopsy report for Lyudmila states that… She has a total of ten broken ribs. Bruise on the mid-left thigh, measuring 10x5 cm. Was the tongue torn out?

7. The forensic autopsy report of Semyon Zolotaryov states that… Open wound on the right side of the skull with exposed bone, measuring 8x6 cm. Five broken ribs.

8. The forensic autopsy report of Aleksander Kolevatov states that… The broken nose, the open wound behind the ear, and the deformed neck could be the result of a fight and the cause of death?

9. The forensic autopsy report of Nikolay Thibeaux-Brignolle states that… Multiple fractures of the temporal bone, with extensions to the frontal and sphenoid bones. Bruise on the upper lip on the left side. Hemorrhage in the lower forearm, measuring 10x12 cm. (Vozrozhdenniy, who performed the autopsy, ruled out an accidental fall onto the rock as a possible cause of such a massive and unusual fracture)

From my point of view, several bulky and armed people arrived at the tent while the Diatlov group was sleeping, and after a hard confrontation, they forced them to move away from the tent without clothes so that the Siberian cold would kill them Howcan it be explained that Lyudmila, Zolotaryov, Kolevatov, and Nikolay (they built a burrow) hastily made a shelter while the others did not? 
How can it be explained that some members of the hiking group tried to return to the tent and died in the attempt? 
The most logical and sensible thing would be for them to at least take clothes and shoes and once in the forest put them on to avoid freezing to death. 
I'm sorry, but I cannot support your theory, nor that of UFOs or the Yeti. For me, it was a group of people who outnumbered them and were armed, intending to kill the hiking group, and then returned to eliminate their traces.

[Hunter]

Javier, Krivonischenko was a foreman, meaning he was involved in the construction. The most he could reveal was his section of the job, which, I think, accounted for less than 1% of the overall construction tasks. This couldn't have contributed in any way to advancing some other state's "nuclear project."
If the KGB had been planning an extrajudicial assassination of Krivonischenko, there were plenty of other ways to do it that didn't involve going into the wilderness. For example, a robbery gone wrong, a brick dropped on his head at the construction site... Plus, an exposed agent is a good source of disinformation.

And the injuries, unfortunately, don't definitively indicate that the group was assassinated.

[Senior Maldonado]

I'm sorry, but I cannot support your theory, nor that of UFOs or the Yeti. For me, it was a group of people who outnumbered them and were armed, intending to kill the hiking group, and then returned to eliminate their traces.

This is absolutely fine! We are here to exchange opinions, not to impose theories. 

I just wanted to say that the hikers did not have physical contact with any other group of people while at the Pass. There was nobody there besides the hikers on Feb 1st, 1959. Intensive search was run at the tent's site and on wide surrounding area, which releaved no strangers (or animals). It was not possible to land a helicopter close to the tent, the supposed attackers had to walk or to ski minimum 500 meters to get to the hiker's camp, then go back. Their imprints would have been found inevitably, IMHO.

[Axelrod]

Javier, Krivonischenko was a foreman, meaning he was involved in the construction. The most he could reveal was his section of the job, which, I think, accounted for less than 1% of the overall construction tasks. This couldn't have contributed in any way to advancing some other state's "nuclear project."
If the KGB had been planning an extrajudicial assassination of Krivonischenko, there were plenty of other ways to do it that didn't involve going into the wilderness. For example, a robbery gone wrong, a brick dropped on his head at the construction site...

The Soviet Union had a large number of secret cities, with a combined population of around a million, but the average resident of such a city was unlikely to reveal anything to foreign intelligence services. Only a few people in Moscow knew all the technology in general. Tell me, can you tell me enough about the internal workings of a flash drive or CD-ROM drive to replicate such a device myself?

A relative of mine worked in such a city; she worked as a saleswoman in a flower shop. The main problem was that we couldn't visit her.
We could meet on neutral territory, so to speak, in the regional center, but we couldn't obtain a pass. I don't know what kind of production there was, and I haven't found out.

This is the very city where Dyatlov was sent for internship after his mountain expedition.

[Javier]

Maldonado, I don't force anyone to accept my theory. I believe that everyone has their own point of view about what happened and according to their knowledge about this strange case. Also... I don't think I am capable of finding out what the expert police officers, investigators, could not, and I can only rely on my own speculations, trying to put myself in their place on that terrible night. 

In the Dyatlov incident, there are too many inconsistencies to be able to present a certain theory about what happened. When you think you are about to understand what could have happened to the hiking group... you realize again that something doesn’t fit, and then you go back to the starting point. 

I believe that in reality it could have been the sum of several causes. Military tests with bombs + avalanche + a strong fight between them + and (I repeat) "maybe third parties" NOT military, who were not too far from the area where the hiking group was camping.

[Javier]

 
It's just that I find it very hard to believe that anyone in their right mind would destroy the store and go out barefoot in their underwear into the snow, exposing themselves to temperatures of -25º and travel 1,500 meters in the dark knowing with absolute certainty that they were going to die of cold. It's something incomprehensible!

[GlennM]

If you think that the hikers were outside the tent and in the process of removing their heavy outer ski pants, then it makes sense that they did not have boots or valenkis on.  Then, consider that one or more of them was blown off their feet in fierce wind and slid out of arm's reach of the others. Consider that visibility was bad in the dark with blowing snow. A rescue effort to find a lost comrade is the natural response. Getting back to the tent is such conditions was not possible owing to distance and the headwinds. 

What about the cutting of the tent canvas? If the new opening was cut on the leeward side of the tent, then the possibility of the wind inflating the tent and blowing it off the mountainside is controlled. Perhaps!

We can be as logical and practical as we want. It does not actually make us right. 60 years ago, friends, outdoor experts, locals and military professionals stood on that ground and looked at those ruined bodies. They knew how, but not why the things happened. We, like them, we want closure. Let us all continue to ponder this mystery. It reveals much about ourselves, our ability to both reason and imagine. It also demonstrates that common sense is not as common as you may think. Superstition and suspicion are always lurking.

[amashilu]

1. The forensic report of Yuri Doroshenko's autopsy states that… “soft tissue on the right cheek covered with gray foam; gray fluid oozing from his open mouth. The most evident cause is pulmonary edema” (there are many more findings in the report, but let's focus on this one). The gray, foamy fluid found on the deceased's right cheek sparked speculation that, before death, someone or something was pressing on his chest cavity. This blunt method was common for interrogations by the NKVD (Stalin's Secret Police) and Special Forces.

The gray foam could also be an after-effect of poisoning. For example, if a failed rocket had leaked nitrogen oxide.

[Javier]

1. The forensic report of Yuri Doroshenko's autopsy states that… “soft tissue on the right cheek covered with gray foam; gray fluid oozing from his open mouth. The most evident cause is pulmonary edema” (there are many more findings in the report, but let's focus on this one). The gray, foamy fluid found on the deceased's right cheek sparked speculation that, before death, someone or something was pressing on his chest cavity. This blunt method was common for interrogations by the NKVD (Stalin's Secret Police) and Special Forces.

The gray foam could also be an after-effect of poisoning. For example, if a failed rocket had leaked nitrogen oxide.

And it only affected Yuri Doroshenko? That would be impossible

[GlennM]

So, nobody has had nittrous at the dentist then? (read laughing gas)

[Ziljoe]

Sorry Javier

I think you are mistaking the pages about the deaths as the autopsy findings. The quotes you are posting are a speculative and from the dyatlovpass website and not the actual autopsy.

The autopsy says this .

"The mouth is slightly opened. The teeth are white and even. The mucous membrane of the gums and the vestibule of the mouth is pale red. The tongue is in the oral cavity behind the teeth. Around the right cheek, the soft tissue is covered with a layer of foamy grey fluid. Grey fluid traces are also visible around the opening of the mouth. The auricles are oval in shape and bluish red in color. Around the tragus and the lobule of the right auricle, there is a 6 x 1.5 cm thick brown red area. On the left auricle around the tragus, there is a similar 4 x 1 cm brown red parchmentlike area. The auricles are bright red from the inside. "

The conclusion says this:

"According to the examination results of the body belonging to Doroshenko Yuri Nikolayevich, aged 21, and considering the circumstances of the case, we believe that the death occurred as the result of low temperature exposure (freezing), which can be proved by the following evidence: meninges oedema, strong hyperaemia in the internal organs, cardiac cavities full of liquid dark blood, petechiae in the gastric mucosa (known as Wischnewsky spots), an excessively full bladder, along with the third and fourth degree frostbite of fingers and toes.

External examination showed damage, such as multiple abrasions and skin wounds caused by a blunt object that could occur as the result of falling or bruising against stones, ice, and other objects.

The injuries mentioned above occurred while alive, during the agonal state, and after death. The injuries mentioned above can be described as slight injuries without damage to health.

This examination of the body gives reasons to state that the last meal was consumed 6 to 8 hours before death. Alcohol was not found during the tests. He died a violent death, an accident."

A pulmonary edema and foam around the mouth is a sign of death from hypothermia .

 A google search produces this answer.

The combination of soft tissue on the right cheek covered with grey foam and grey fluid oozing from an open mouth is a classic sign of severe hypothermia causing terminal pulmonary edema.
RCEMLearning
RCEMLearning
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In fatal cases of hypothermia, particularly when the body has been exposed to extreme cold, this finding is common due to the following:
Pulmonary Edema (Lung Edema): As the body cools, the heart's ability to pump efficiently decreases, causing a buildup of blood and fluids in the lungs.
"Foam Cone" or Fluid: The fluid buildup in the lungs causes a frothy, often grey or pinkish, fluid to be forced out of the respiratory tract, appearing as foam or liquid around the mouth.
Hypothermic Characteristics: This specific, often grey-colored, foam is associated with non-cardiogenic pulmonary edema induced by cold, which causes increased vascular permeability in the lungs.
National Institutes of Health (.gov)
National Institutes of Health (.gov)
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This scene, combined with severe frostbite on extremities or "paradoxical undressing" (a phenomenon where victims undress due to a false feeling of warmth), strongly suggests that the individual succumbed to environmental cold.

If i am correct , you are not looking at the autopsy case files but rather ,someone elses interpretation of them. They do not state or imply their was any combat or physical fighting. This is the difference between us and the professional examiner.

All things need to be taken into consideration and i accept the concept of fighting but we shouldn't look at them without observing the environment and case studies of injuries to other deaths from hypothermia. We have far more data now to look at ,and many , if not all the injuries / scrapes are consistent with a fight against the cold . Many of the injures are seen as superficial and are consistent with falls and scrapes whilst building fires , walking on uneven ground with holes , rocks and branches. Many of the hikers have frostbite and that stops the function of the hand and any feeling.

[Javier]

Thank you Ziljoe for your response and clarification.

The data I rely on I suppose are the most common and, in my opinion, relevant, but after reading you I think I am not correct or there are new hypotheses that I am unaware of.

This is the source from where I have drawn most of my conclusions:
https://dyatlovpass.com/death

I think the best thing will be to remain silent and learn from those of you who know.
I’m sorry for not having contributed anything to the forum.

[Ziljoe]

Thank you Ziljoe for your response and clarification.

The data I rely on I suppose are the most common and, in my opinion, relevant, but after reading you I think I am not correct or there are new hypotheses that I am unaware of.

This is the source from where I have drawn most of my conclusions:
https://dyatlovpass.com/death

I think the best thing will be to remain silent and learn from those of you who know.
I’m sorry for not having contributed anything to the forum.

No , please continue. Its part of what makes it interesting. What you suggest is another option of what might have happened and caused the same results. Ie, someone squatting on the chest.

You have the right page but in between each hiker and summary you will see in blue writing the link to the individual autopsy from the case files.

I get lost and forget where everything is all the time.