New Suspect In Case

[sarapuk]

DPI consists of two puzzles
— the scene and the background.

1. The first part of the puzzle is the crime scene. That can be put together very easily.
2. The second part is the circumstances of the case, which are not visible on the surface, and putting them together is almost a task for a dissertation.

?? Where is the crime scene? We have bodies found in various areas. We don't even know if it was a crime that took place. 

[sarapuk]

You haven't provided any. Ivanov knew nothing. His article about fireballs, IMHO, was an attempt to hype up the UFO phenomenon.

Ivanov knew a lot and was almost certainly told to wrap the case up ASAP. He didn't intend to cover anything up.

[SURI]

DPI consists of two puzzles
— the scene and the background.

1. The first part of the puzzle is the crime scene. That can be put together very easily.
2. The second part is the circumstances of the case, which are not visible on the surface, and putting them together is almost a task for a dissertation.

?? Where is the crime scene? We have bodies found in various areas. We don't even know if it was a crime that took place.

When a motive and selective killing are present, what else would you call it? Ivanov knew perfectly well what he was investigating, don't you think? And if that doesn't align with your theory, then you probably have the wrong theory.

[Hunter]

The order to close the case could have been issued for the usual reasons—because it was inconvenient for the party elite in Sverdlovsk. And Ivanov might not have known. There's a saying, "A promise is not a promise." So here, it's not a given that Ivanov knew everything, even though he claimed he did.

[GlennM]

All behavior is motivated. All behavior is motivated. There is no actual motivation for killing eight productive educated and valuable Soviet youth and an honorable Soviet veteran. None. Instead, there is ample motivation for conspiracy theorists to invent what they can not prove to support a belief which they can only defend by the invented constructs. This circular type of reasoning does not move the needle toward truth. It is useful for the making of media.

In spite of all the expeditions to the Pass, and all the ceremony, and examinations, the reality is that there is nothing to find. Nothing will be found because Nature is not motivated. That is the difference. Conspiracy advocates anthropomorphize weather into something attributable to things with legs. The interesting thing is how tenacious the beliefs are.

[SURI]

All behavior is motivated. All behavior is motivated. There is no actual motivation for killing eight productive educated and valuable Soviet youth and an honorable Soviet veteran. None. Instead, there is ample motivation for conspiracy theorists to invent what they can not prove to support a belief which they can only defend by the invented constructs. This circular type of reasoning does not move the needle toward truth. It is useful for the making of media.

In spite of all the expeditions to the Pass, and all the ceremony, and examinations, the reality is that there is nothing to find. Nothing will be found because Nature is not motivated. That is the difference. Conspiracy advocates anthropomorphize weather into something attributable to things with legs. The interesting thing is how tenacious the beliefs are.

So you consider Ivanov to be a conspiracy theorist as well? It is clear then that you are not interested in the actual truth, but are simply creating your own.

Furthermore, you haven't even properly understood Ivanov. Do you know what selective action is? You can clearly see it at the crime scene.

[Ziljoe]

Suri, without evidence and claiming cover ups by other people is the definition of conspiracy theory.

You say the case was covered up , Ivanov says various things that totally contradict . He says it wasn't murder and an ordinary case to the journalist behind closed doors,but within his newspaper article he ventures in to the territory of fire balls and piloted lights with ray beams. Why would he inform in a private letter to the editorial team what he thought happened, that no one else was to see, then write the article with sensation for a news paper that wants stories.

The Soviet media was going through a trend and one of the main books at the time was this.

Marina Lavrentievna Popovich was a Soviet Air Force test pilot who became publicly associated with UFO reports during the glasnost period. In 1991 she published a book titled “UFO Glasnost” (Russian: «УФО Гласность»). The book is not an investigation of any specific case; it is a collection of aviation and space‑flight anecdotes presented in memoir format.

Chronological Structure of the Book

1. Early Soviet Pilot Reports (1950s–1960s) 
   Popovich begins with accounts from military pilots describing encounters with glowing spheres, lights pacing aircraft, and objects performing abrupt manoeuvres.

2. Her Own Flight Experiences (1960s–1970s) 
   She includes personal anecdotes from her test‑pilot career involving unusual lights seen during high‑altitude flights. These are not documented incidents, but recollections.

3. Radar Anomalies (1970s–1980s) 
   The book presents stories from radar operators reporting returns that moved erratically, vanished suddenly, or appeared to travel at speeds beyond known aircraft capabilities.

4. Cosmonaut Anecdotes (1970s–1980s) 
   Popovich repeats second‑hand accounts attributed to cosmonauts, including Pavel Popovich, describing “fireballs” and unidentified objects observed from orbit.

5. Glasnost Context (late 1980s) 
   She argues that Soviet pilots were discouraged from reporting anomalies and that glasnost allowed these stories to be published without fear of professional consequences.

6. Conclusion 
   Popovich does not claim extraterrestrial involvement. Her stated position is that the phenomena described by pilots and cosmonauts warrant scientific study and should not be dismissed.

Examples of Claims Made in the Book

- Glowing spheres pacing aircraft during military flights. 
- Objects accelerating or stopping abruptly in ways inconsistent with known aerodynamics. 
- Radar tracks that appear and disappear without explanation. 
- Cosmonauts observing bright lights or objects from orbit. 
- Assertions that Soviet secrecy suppressed pilot reporting for decades.



Popovich’s book does not discuss the Dyatlov Pass incident. Its relevance is indirect: her glasnost‑era framing of “unexplained aerial phenomena” influenced the broader cultural environment in which older Soviet cases, including Dyatlov, were reinterpreted during the early 1990s. Her material contributed to the general atmosphere of speculation surrounding Cold War mysteries, but she had no direct connection to the Dyatlov investigation.

There's other articles, the CIA followed them. This is about soviet soldiers being attacked by aliens. You have got to laugh.

CIA link https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/0005517761?utm_source=copilot.com

PAPER REPORTS ALLEGED EVIDENCE ON MISHAP INVOLVING UFO
Document Type:
FOIA
Keywords:
UFO SPECIAL COLLECTION
Collection:
FOIA Collection
Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST):
0005517761
Release Decision:
RIFPUB
Original Classification:
U
Document Page Count:
1
Document Creation Date:
June 24, 2015
Document Release Date:
January 31, 2011
Sequence Number:
Case Number:
F-2010-00651
Publication Date:
March 27, 1993
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C00386418 *** Document 199 of 54 -'-r FBIS DOCK 000103001 CLAS UNCLAS 3A/PMU SERI SERIAL: AU3003152893 PASS PASS: ATTN BBC SD COUN COUNTRY: RUSSIA INTERNATIONAL SUBJ*SUBJ: PAPER REPORTS ALLEGED EVIDENCE ON MISHAP INVOLVING UFO SOUR SOURCE: KIEV BOLOS UKRAYINY IN UKRAINIAN 27 MAR 93 P 5 TEXT TEXT: //(.(REPRINT FROM THE NEWSPAPER TERNOPIL VECHIRNIY: "COSMIC REVENGE" -- FIRST PARAGRAPH PUBLISHED IN BOLDFACE)) ((TEXT)) AFTER MIKHAIL GORBACHEV DISSOLVED, IN 1991, THE KGB TOP SECRET INTELLIGENCE ADMINISTRATION, A LOT OF MATERIAL FROM THAT DEPARTMENT FOUND THEIR WAY ABROAD, IN PARTICULAR TO THE CIA. AS REPORTED BY THE AUTHORITATIVE MAGAZINE CANADIAN WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, *U.S. INTELLIGENCE OBTAINED A 250-PAGE FILE ON THE ATTACK BY A UFO ON A MILITARY UNIT IN SIBERIA. THE FILE CONTAINS NOT ONLY- MANY DOCUMENTARY PHOTOGRAPHS AND DRAWINGS, BUT ALSO TESTIMONIES BY ACTUAL PARTICIPANTS IN THE EVENTS. ONE OF THE CIA REPRESENTATIVES REFERRED TO THIS CASE AS "A HORRIFIC *PICTURE OF REVENGE ON THE PART OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL CREATURES, A PICTURE THAT MAKES ONE'S BLOOD 'FREEZE." ACCORDING TO THE KGB MATERIALS, A QUITE LOW-FLYING SPACESHIP IN THE SHAPE OF A SAUCER APPEARED ABOVE A MILITARY UNIT THAT WAS CONDUCTING ROUTINE TRAINING MANEUVERS. FOR UNKNOWN REASONS, SOMEBODY UNEXPECTEDLY LAUNCHED A SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE AND HIT THE *UFO. IT FELL TO EARTH NOT FAR AWAY, AND FIVE SHORT HUMANOIDS WITH "LARGE HEADS AND LARGE BLACK EYES" EMERGED FROM IT. IT IS STATED IN THE TESTIMONIES BY THE TWO SOLDIERS WHO REMAINED ALIVE THAT, AFTER FREEING THEMSELVES FROM THE-DEBRIS, THE ALIENS CAME CLOSE TOGETHER AND THEN "MERGED'INTO A SINGLE OBJECT THAT ACQUIRED A SPHERICAL SHAPE." THAT OBJECT BEGAN TO BUZZ,AND HISS SHARPLY, AND THEN BECAME BRILLIANT WHITE. IN A FEW SECONDS, THE SPHERES GREW MUCH BIGGER AND EXPLODED BY FLARING UP WITH AN EXTREMELY BRIGHT LIGHT. AT THAT VERY INSTANT, 23 SOLDIERS WHO HAD WATCHED THE PHENOMENON TURNED INTO... STONE POLES. ONLY TWO SOLDIERS WHO STOOD IN THE SHADE AND WERE LESS EXPOSED TO THE LUMINOUS EXPLOSION SURVIVED. * THE KGB REPORT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE REMAINS OF THE UFO AND THE "PETRIFIED SOLDIERS" WERE TRANSFERRED TO A SECRET SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH INSTITUTION NEAR MOSCOW. SPECIALISTS ASSUME THAT A SOURCE OF ENERGY THAT IS STILL UNKNOWN TO EARTHLINGS INSTANTLY CHANGED THE STRUCTURE OF THE SOLDIERS' LIVING ORGANISMS, HAVING TRANSFORMED IT INTO A SUBSTANCE WHOSE MOLECULAR COMPOSITION IS NO DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF LIMESTONE. A CIA REPRESENTATIVE STATED: "IF THE KGB FILE CORRESPONDS TO REALITY, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY MENACING CASE. THE ALIENS POSSESS SUCH WEAPONS AND TECHNOLOGY THAT GO BEYOND ALL OUR ASSUMPTIONS. THEY CAN STAND. UP FOR THEMSELVES IF ATTACKED. (ENDALL) j23003.03 27 MAR 30/1529Z MAR BT #0317 NNNN NNNN -rsEODwrs Approved for Retea5e_ Dam a MAY MD
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[SURI]

Suri, without evidence and claiming cover ups by other people is the definition of conspiracy theory. ........

This is not a conspiracy theory. Ivanov himself admitted that the actual truth was covered up. You just refuse to hear it.

Ivanov
"Everyone was told that hikers were in an extreme situation and froze. However, that was not true. The true causes of the deaths were hidden from the people, and only a few knew these reasons."

Ivanov is saying the exact same things; you just fail to understand him. And I think you never will. Fortunately, not everyone is like that. If you actually name those "fireballs" correctly, you will realize that Ivanov is speaking the same language – it’s just not served to you on a silver platter.

I think it would be far more useful to focus on the "leaky" unnumbered case file and describe its flaws, rather than wasting space here with worthless texts that have nothing to do with the case.

The Chief Criminal Prosecutor of the case, Ivanov, knew perfectly well what happened to the hikers and who caused it. You cannot erase his words about motive and killing, no matter how hard you try.

[GlennM]

Lights in ths sky might be used to explain the evacuation of the tent or the demise of the R4, but not both, or neither. The condition of the forest fir trees did not make anyone think it was scorched other than Ivanov. The crush on Zolo and Lyuda was not seen on others, so one would have to argue they were exposed while others sheltered and were consequently blown back. Who is going to see the lights in the sky and stand to face it when everyone else has the sense to hide from it?

The lights in the sky must be man made or natural. Of course consliracy theorists like man made. There was no debris, nor burns. Radiation was inconsistent with a warhead. Was it consistent with a powered spy satellite?  I think the rocket was launched in the wrong direction.

If any conspiracy theorist wants this idea to stick then the answer will be found in printed records,  not on the slope. Show us something we have not seen and you get your courthouse park statue.

[Senior Maldonado]

Radiation was inconsistent with a warhead.

I would argue here. It is inconsistent if you talk about nuclear warhead. But if you consider radiological warhead, something like "Generator-5", it is fully consistent.

[GlennM]

All behavior is motivated. In this scenario, the motivation is economic. If it could be demonstrated that governmental negligence produced the light in the sky ( read missile) then the victim's families would demand compensation. However, despite numerous fly overs by rescue and supply helicopters and the alleged light aircraft used by geologists, not a single bit of confirmation reached the case files. Add to this that Mansi and later tourists were not restricted by an exclusion zone and you simply have no case for human agency causing the disaster. Conspiracy advocates can not demonstrate that the families, the investigators or the Mansi benefited financially by a cover up. No need to read between the lines. The lines are clear enough.

[Ziljoe]

Radiation was inconsistent with a warhead.

I would argue here. It is inconsistent if you talk about nuclear warhead. But if you consider radiological warhead, something like "Generator-5", it is fully consistent.

I don't think "generator 5" was used in or on rockets. It was a ground-based civil defence training tool used to simulate radiological contamination fields for dosimetry calibration and military/civilian drills.?