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February 06, 2019, 09:00:49 AM
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Just thought I would start this topic to discuss specific details about the DPI.

Here is my first detail topic.

Kolevatov’s Finnish knife was found in the tent and the sheath was found just outside the entrance to the tent. Any ideas as to why this is the case?

Also Dyatlov’s jacket is found just outside the tent entrance? Same question?

February 06, 2019, 12:15:15 PM
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Just thought I would start this topic to discuss specific details about the DPI.

Here is my first detail topic.

Kolevatov’s Finnish knife was found in the tent and the sheath was found just outside the entrance to the tent. Any ideas as to why this is the case?

Also Dyatlov’s jacket is found just outside the tent entrance? Same question?

Wouldnt it be better to deal with these in the various POSTS  !  ? 
DB

February 06, 2019, 02:43:01 PM
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Just thought I would start this topic to discuss specific details about the DPI.

Here is my first detail topic.

Kolevatov’s Finnish knife was found in the tent and the sheath was found just outside the entrance to the tent. Any ideas as to why this is the case?

Also Dyatlov’s jacket is found just outside the tent entrance? Same question?


Wouldnt it be better to deal with these in the various POSTS  !  ?



Possibly, but the questions don't necessarily relate to a specific theory.  They may lead into a specific theory though.  Example: why wasn't Kolevatov's knife in the sheath and why wasn't his sheath on his belt.  It may indicate an altercation in or around the tent, or it could just be that the sheath was kicked out of the tent in the scramble to get out of the entrance.  The same with Dyatlov' jacket.  Did Dyatlov take his jacket off outside the tent?  Or was it simply hanging up on a ski pole or ski and it later blew off in the wind onto the floor.

Another detail question:  Luda's position in the ravine.  Arms above her chest lying face against the rocks.  Did she die in that position or did she slip into that position as the snow melted.  If she died in a different position then would rigomortis allow the arms and body to slip up above her chest?  It's strange that someone with such severe chest injuries would lie against a rock with their arms held up like that.

February 06, 2019, 03:03:36 PM
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Just thought I would start this topic to discuss specific details about the DPI.

Here is my first detail topic.

Kolevatov’s Finnish knife was found in the tent and the sheath was found just outside the entrance to the tent. Any ideas as to why this is the case?

Also Dyatlov’s jacket is found just outside the tent entrance? Same question?
Demonstrates the haste with which they had to get away from the poisonous cloud?

February 06, 2019, 03:28:33 PM
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Just thought I would start this topic to discuss specific details about the DPI.

Here is my first detail topic.

Kolevatov’s Finnish knife was found in the tent and the sheath was found just outside the entrance to the tent. Any ideas as to why this is the case?

Also Dyatlov’s jacket is found just outside the tent entrance? Same question?
Demonstrates the haste with which they had to get away from the poisonous cloud?

Possibly.

February 07, 2019, 03:10:17 PM
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Just noticed this statement in witness testimonies:

10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

A previous account I  had read Dyatlov''s Jacket was "just outside the entrance of the tent".  10 to 15 metres is not just outside.  There were also some sneakers and socks and a storm jacket.  Doesn't make sense unless these were deliberately taken off?

February 07, 2019, 03:56:41 PM
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Just noticed this statement in witness testimonies:

10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

A previous account I  had read Dyatlov''s Jacket was "just outside the entrance of the tent".  10 to 15 metres is not just outside.  There were also some sneakers and socks and a storm jacket.  Doesn't make sense unless these were deliberately taken off?

Maybe someones idea of just outside was actually 10 or 15 metres away. Its like someone saying that the Ship was near Port when in fact it was actually 10 or 15 miles away. 10 or 15 miles could be construed as near the Port.
DB

February 07, 2019, 10:36:02 PM
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10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

Is the 10-15 meters actually part of the official documentation? Because that's a pretty significant detail. It lends support to the murder theory. Would the hikers have dropped those in their haste to get away from the tent under other scenarios?

If they were poisoned and not thinking clearly, maybe. If they were running for their lives 10 to 15 meters from the tent, sure. But then the footprints don't tend to support that.

Wind and avalanche would probably be ruled out for depositing those items there, because the rest of the tent and its contents stayed in place.

February 07, 2019, 11:30:51 PM
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10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

Is the 10-15 meters actually part of the official documentation? Because that's a pretty significant detail. It lends support to the murder theory. Would the hikers have dropped those in their haste to get away from the tent under other scenarios?

If they were poisoned and not thinking clearly, maybe. If they were running for their lives 10 to 15 meters from the tent, sure. But then the footprints don't tend to support that.

Wind and avalanche would probably be ruled out for depositing those items there, because the rest of the tent and its contents stayed in place.

Yes I believe it is part of the witness statements in the case files.

February 08, 2019, 03:44:31 AM
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10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

Is the 10-15 meters actually part of the official documentation? Because that's a pretty significant detail. It lends support to the murder theory. Would the hikers have dropped those in their haste to get away from the tent under other scenarios?

If they were poisoned and not thinking clearly, maybe. If they were running for their lives 10 to 15 meters from the tent, sure. But then the footprints don't tend to support that.

Wind and avalanche would probably be ruled out for depositing those items there, because the rest of the tent and its contents stayed in place.
I couldn't rule out the wind on a 20-25% gradient.

February 08, 2019, 04:21:42 AM
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10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

Is the 10-15 meters actually part of the official documentation? Because that's a pretty significant detail. It lends support to the murder theory. Would the hikers have dropped those in their haste to get away from the tent under other scenarios?

If they were poisoned and not thinking clearly, maybe. If they were running for their lives 10 to 15 meters from the tent, sure. But then the footprints don't tend to support that.

Wind and avalanche would probably be ruled out for depositing those items there, because the rest of the tent and its contents stayed in place.

Official documentation or not, it doesnt really say much. Its any ones guess as to how items ended up in the locations that they were found. We dont know all the details on footprints because the search parties would have trampled over the Dyatlov Footprints near the Tent. We dont know the exact weather conditions at the time, so how can we know the strengh of any winds that were blowing. or any snow falling.
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February 08, 2019, 04:40:49 AM
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10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

Is the 10-15 meters actually part of the official documentation? Because that's a pretty significant detail. It lends support to the murder theory. Would the hikers have dropped those in their haste to get away from the tent under other scenarios?

If they were poisoned and not thinking clearly, maybe. If they were running for their lives 10 to 15 meters from the tent, sure. But then the footprints don't tend to support that.

Wind and avalanche would probably be ruled out for depositing those items there, because the rest of the tent and its contents stayed in place.

Official documentation or not, it doesnt really say much. Its any ones guess as to how items ended up in the locations that they were found. We dont know all the details on footprints because the search parties would have trampled over the Dyatlov Footprints near the Tent. We dont know the exact weather conditions at the time, so how can we know the strengh of any winds that were blowing. or any snow falling.

But why would anyone leave their sneakers and jackets outside, over 30 feet from the tent and go down the slop in their socks?

February 08, 2019, 04:42:55 AM
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10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

Is the 10-15 meters actually part of the official documentation? Because that's a pretty significant detail. It lends support to the murder theory. Would the hikers have dropped those in their haste to get away from the tent under other scenarios?

If they were poisoned and not thinking clearly, maybe. If they were running for their lives 10 to 15 meters from the tent, sure. But then the footprints don't tend to support that.

Wind and avalanche would probably be ruled out for depositing those items there, because the rest of the tent and its contents stayed in place.

Official documentation or not, it doesnt really say much. Its any ones guess as to how items ended up in the locations that they were found. We dont know all the details on footprints because the search parties would have trampled over the Dyatlov Footprints near the Tent. We dont know the exact weather conditions at the time, so how can we know the strengh of any winds that were blowing. or any snow falling.

But why would anyone leave their sneakers and jackets outside, over 30 feet from the tent and go down the slop in their socks?

Well I did say its any ones guess etc etc.
DB

February 11, 2019, 03:34:43 PM
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10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

Is the 10-15 meters actually part of the official documentation? Because that's a pretty significant detail. It lends support to the murder theory. Would the hikers have dropped those in their haste to get away from the tent under other scenarios?

If they were poisoned and not thinking clearly, maybe. If they were running for their lives 10 to 15 meters from the tent, sure. But then the footprints don't tend to support that.

Wind and avalanche would probably be ruled out for depositing those items there, because the rest of the tent and its contents stayed in place.

Your right.  It could support the murder theory. 

Is it possible that Dyatlov grabbed some shoes, his jacket and storm as he was exiting the tent in haste, and for some reason dropped them before he had a chance to put them on?

There seems to be evidence that at least some of the group left the tent via the entrance in a hurry, and possibly dragged things out of the entrance as they fled.

Does anyone know where Dyatlov's jacket was found in relation to the tent?

February 12, 2019, 12:18:32 AM
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10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

Is the 10-15 meters actually part of the official documentation? Because that's a pretty significant detail. It lends support to the murder theory. Would the hikers have dropped those in their haste to get away from the tent under other scenarios?

If they were poisoned and not thinking clearly, maybe. If they were running for their lives 10 to 15 meters from the tent, sure. But then the footprints don't tend to support that.

Wind and avalanche would probably be ruled out for depositing those items there, because the rest of the tent and its contents stayed in place.

Your right.  It could support the murder theory. 

Is it possible that Dyatlov grabbed some shoes, his jacket and storm as he was exiting the tent in haste, and for some reason dropped them before he had a chance to put them on?

There seems to be evidence that at least some of the group left the tent via the entrance in a hurry, and possibly dragged things out of the entrance as they fled.

Does anyone know where Dyatlov's jacket was found in relation to the tent?

From the tent in the direction of the wind, i.e. in the direction where there were traces of people's feet, at a distance of about 0.5-1 m, we found several slippers from different pairs, and ski caps and other small objects were scattered.https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-298-300?rbid=17743A weatherproof jacket hung at the entrance. As it turned out, it was Dyatlov's.

Lobatcheva, Irina. Dyatlov Pass Keeps Its Secret (p. 35). Parallel Worlds' Books. Kindle Edition.


February 12, 2019, 08:52:09 AM
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10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

Is the 10-15 meters actually part of the official documentation? Because that's a pretty significant detail. It lends support to the murder theory. Would the hikers have dropped those in their haste to get away from the tent under other scenarios?

If they were poisoned and not thinking clearly, maybe. If they were running for their lives 10 to 15 meters from the tent, sure. But then the footprints don't tend to support that.

Wind and avalanche would probably be ruled out for depositing those items there, because the rest of the tent and its contents stayed in place.

Your right.  It could support the murder theory. 

Is it possible that Dyatlov grabbed some shoes, his jacket and storm as he was exiting the tent in haste, and for some reason dropped them before he had a chance to put them on?

There seems to be evidence that at least some of the group left the tent via the entrance in a hurry, and possibly dragged things out of the entrance as they fled.

Does anyone know where Dyatlov's jacket was found in relation to the tent?

From the tent in the direction of the wind, i.e. in the direction where there were traces of people's feet, at a distance of about 0.5-1 m, we found several slippers from different pairs, and ski caps and other small objects were scattered.https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-298-300?rbid=17743A weatherproof jacket hung at the entrance. As it turned out, it was Dyatlov's.

Lobatcheva, Irina. Dyatlov Pass Keeps Its Secret (p. 35). Parallel Worlds' Books. Kindle Edition.

But Dyatlov jacket hanging near the entrance contradicts the late witness statement that you posted recently that said the jacket and sneakers were 10 metres from the tent?  Am I getting mixed up?

February 12, 2019, 09:40:07 AM
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10-15 m from the tent were found sneakers, socks and Dyatlov fur jacket. Also a storm jacke

Is the 10-15 meters actually part of the official documentation? Because that's a pretty significant detail. It lends support to the murder theory. Would the hikers have dropped those in their haste to get away from the tent under other scenarios?

If they were poisoned and not thinking clearly, maybe. If they were running for their lives 10 to 15 meters from the tent, sure. But then the footprints don't tend to support that.

Wind and avalanche would probably be ruled out for depositing those items there, because the rest of the tent and its contents stayed in place.

Your right.  It could support the murder theory. 

Is it possible that Dyatlov grabbed some shoes, his jacket and storm as he was exiting the tent in haste, and for some reason dropped them before he had a chance to put them on?

There seems to be evidence that at least some of the group left the tent via the entrance in a hurry, and possibly dragged things out of the entrance as they fled.

Does anyone know where Dyatlov's jacket was found in relation to the tent?

From the tent in the direction of the wind, i.e. in the direction where there were traces of people's feet, at a distance of about 0.5-1 m, we found several slippers from different pairs, and ski caps and other small objects were scattered.https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-298-300?rbid=17743A weatherproof jacket hung at the entrance. As it turned out, it was Dyatlov's.

Lobatcheva, Irina. Dyatlov Pass Keeps Its Secret (p. 35). Parallel Worlds' Books. Kindle Edition.

But Dyatlov jacket hanging near the entrance contradicts the late witness statement that you posted recently that said the jacket and sneakers were 10 metres from the tent?  Am I getting mixed up?
Possibly. There are different accounts of the state of the tent area. This is Koptelov's - http://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=347.msg3472#msg3472

February 12, 2019, 12:26:56 PM
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The jacket was actually stuffed into a hole in the tent.  IIRC

The tent had is share of issues by this time in the trip.   Small rips can turn into  large rips/holes pretty rapidly in high winds as well, not to mention high winds for over three weeks.  There is a reason why quality flags have the end doubled over and stitched dozens of times.
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February 12, 2019, 03:36:28 PM
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Yes I remember reading that his jacket was stuffed in a hole.

So according to various accounts it was:

Stuffed in a hole
Hanging just at the entrance to the tent
10 metres from the entrance to the tent

So I think it safe to conclude that nothing can be concluded from the evidence on Dyatlov's jacket.

February 13, 2019, 02:10:19 AM
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Captain Chernyshov stated: ‘About 10-15 metres from the tent we saw slippers and Dyatlov’s fur jacket.

Oss, Svetlana. Don't Go There: Post Mortem (p. 192). LiberWriter.com. Kindle Edition.

From the tent in the direction of the wind, i.e. in the direction where there were traces of people's feet, at a distance of about 0.5-1 m, we found several slippers from different pairs, and ski caps and other small objects were scattered.https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-298-300?rbid=17743A weatherproof jacket hung at the entrance. As it turned out, it was Dyatlov's.

Lobatcheva, Irina. Dyatlov Pass Keeps Its Secret (p. 35). Parallel Worlds' Books. Kindle Edition.


Vasily Tempalov, the man with zero experience on such cases, has arrived at last. He gets to work on catching himself up on the day’s events, cataloguing the tent’s contents, and making his official report. He notes the following facts: The tent was set on the slope at a height of 1,079 meters. An even spot was made under the tent, with skis laid at the bottom. The tent was covered with snow. The entrance was partly open, with sheet curtains sticking out. Urine traces were found where someone had been “taking a leak.” When the tent was dug out, a tear in the tent on the slope-facing side close to the entrance was found, with a fur jacket sticking out of the hole. The descent-facing side was torn to pieces. A pair of bound skis was lying in front of the tent entrance. Arrangement of things inside the tent are catalogued.

Eichar, Donnie. Dead Mountain (pp. 121-122). Chronicle Books LLC. Kindle Edition.





February 13, 2019, 01:22:29 PM
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Yes I remember reading that his jacket was stuffed in a hole.

So according to various accounts it was:

Stuffed in a hole
Hanging just at the entrance to the tent
10 metres from the entrance to the tent

So I think it safe to conclude that nothing can be concluded from the evidence on Dyatlov's jacket.

Good points. So many things about this Case do not follow logic, thats for sure. Logic would suggest that people would get the facts correct and yet we keep getting contradictions.
DB

February 13, 2019, 03:58:47 PM
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Another specific detail worthy of discussion: the flash light on the tent.

Quote from the case files:

On the side of the tent on top of 10 cm of snow laid Dyatlov's flashlight (made in China). Boris Slobtzov picked it up and turned it on - the flashlight was in working condition. From Slobtsov witness testimony (sheet 299) "we couldn’t understand why the snow under the flashlight was 10 cm thick, yet there wasn’t any on the flashlight itself".

We're any fingerprints ever taken from the this flash light?  Why did Slobtzov pick it up? Hopefully using gloved hands?  Why wouldn't you compare finger prints on flash light with the groups finger prints?  Maybe it was unlikely that even if someone else had held the light that they would have done so with bare hands given the cold conditions.

So why was there no snow on the flashlight and 10cm of snow underneath it?  Is there a logical explanation? Is it possible that the flashlight was simply being blown around by the wind?

February 14, 2019, 01:32:05 AM
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Another specific detail worthy of discussion: the flash light on the tent.

Quote from the case files:

On the side of the tent on top of 10 cm of snow laid Dyatlov's flashlight (made in China). Boris Slobtzov picked it up and turned it on - the flashlight was in working condition. From Slobtsov witness testimony (sheet 299) "we couldn’t understand why the snow under the flashlight was 10 cm thick, yet there wasn’t any on the flashlight itself".

We're any fingerprints ever taken from the this flash light?  Why did Slobtzov pick it up? Hopefully using gloved hands?  Why wouldn't you compare finger prints on flash light with the groups finger prints?  Maybe it was unlikely that even if someone else had held the light that they would have done so with bare hands given the cold conditions.

So why was there no snow on the flashlight and 10cm of snow underneath it?  Is there a logical explanation? Is it possible that the flashlight was simply being blown around by the wind?
My theory #1. It was the "toilet flashlight". If you have to go in the middle of the night you don't want to wake everyone up to find the flashlight. So it's left outside the tent in a known place. So the 10cm of snow is what was on the tent before the last time it was used (maybe YuriD?).
Theory #2. It was kept inside the tent but someone forgot and left it outside (maybe N2O involved).
No snow on the object itself must be due to the wind. Don't see it as suspicious.

February 14, 2019, 04:36:33 AM
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Why was the flashlight on the tent at all?

The sides of the tent were sloped so if had been dropped or left on the tent when it was fully set up then it should just slide off- unless it was tethered somehow?

February 14, 2019, 04:43:56 AM
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Why was the flashlight on the tent at all?

The sides of the tent were sloped so if had been dropped or left on the tent when it was fully set up then it should just slide off- unless it was tethered somehow?
The tent was rigged to be wide and low. If meant to be there it's valid to ask why not tethered? But perhaps it was left by someone reentering the tent urgently with something else on their mind?

February 14, 2019, 06:14:09 AM
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Captain Chernyshov stated: ‘About 10-15 metres from the tent we saw slippers and Dyatlov’s fur jacket.

Oss, Svetlana. Don't Go There: Post Mortem (p. 192). LiberWriter.com. Kindle Edition.

From the tent in the direction of the wind, i.e. in the direction where there were traces of people's feet, at a distance of about 0.5-1 m, we found several slippers from different pairs, and ski caps and other small objects were scattered.https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-298-300?rbid=17743A weatherproof jacket hung at the entrance. As it turned out, it was Dyatlov's.

Lobatcheva, Irina. Dyatlov Pass Keeps Its Secret (p. 35). Parallel Worlds' Books. Kindle Edition.


Vasily Tempalov, the man with zero experience on such cases, has arrived at last. He gets to work on catching himself up on the day’s events, cataloguing the tent’s contents, and making his official report. He notes the following facts: The tent was set on the slope at a height of 1,079 meters. An even spot was made under the tent, with skis laid at the bottom. The tent was covered with snow. The entrance was partly open, with sheet curtains sticking out. Urine traces were found where someone had been “taking a leak.” When the tent was dug out, a tear in the tent on the slope-facing side close to the entrance was found, with a fur jacket sticking out of the hole. The descent-facing side was torn to pieces. A pair of bound skis was lying in front of the tent entrance. Arrangement of things inside the tent are catalogued.

Eichar, Donnie. Dead Mountain (pp. 121-122). Chronicle Books LLC. Kindle Edition.


Sorry dunno1,
I still did not understand if the jacket was protruding from the cut hole in the side of the tent through which they fled  out or if the jacket protruded from the front entrance that was buttoned? Can you draw it for me? grin1
I read that every night they leaving  jacket hanging inside of tent just behind the entrance as a winter barrier.

February 14, 2019, 12:10:28 PM
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Captain Chernyshov stated: ‘About 10-15 metres from the tent we saw slippers and Dyatlov’s fur jacket.

Oss, Svetlana. Don't Go There: Post Mortem (p. 192). LiberWriter.com. Kindle Edition.

From the tent in the direction of the wind, i.e. in the direction where there were traces of people's feet, at a distance of about 0.5-1 m, we found several slippers from different pairs, and ski caps and other small objects were scattered.https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-298-300?rbid=17743A weatherproof jacket hung at the entrance. As it turned out, it was Dyatlov's.

Lobatcheva, Irina. Dyatlov Pass Keeps Its Secret (p. 35). Parallel Worlds' Books. Kindle Edition.


Vasily Tempalov, the man with zero experience on such cases, has arrived at last. He gets to work on catching himself up on the day’s events, cataloguing the tent’s contents, and making his official report. He notes the following facts: The tent was set on the slope at a height of 1,079 meters. An even spot was made under the tent, with skis laid at the bottom. The tent was covered with snow. The entrance was partly open, with sheet curtains sticking out. Urine traces were found where someone had been “taking a leak.” When the tent was dug out, a tear in the tent on the slope-facing side close to the entrance was found, with a fur jacket sticking out of the hole. The descent-facing side was torn to pieces. A pair of bound skis was lying in front of the tent entrance. Arrangement of things inside the tent are catalogued.

Eichar, Donnie. Dead Mountain (pp. 121-122). Chronicle Books LLC. Kindle Edition.


Sorry dunno1,
I still did not understand if the jacket was protruding from the cut hole in the side of the tent through which they fled  out or if the jacket protruded from the front entrance that was buttoned? Can you draw it for me? grin1
I read that every night they leaving  jacket hanging inside of tent just behind the entrance as a winter barrier.

That's just it.  We don't know where it really was because of the mixed up accounts.

February 14, 2019, 02:40:27 PM
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Another specific detail worthy of discussion: the flash light on the tent.

Quote from the case files:

On the side of the tent on top of 10 cm of snow laid Dyatlov's flashlight (made in China). Boris Slobtzov picked it up and turned it on - the flashlight was in working condition. From Slobtsov witness testimony (sheet 299) "we couldn’t understand why the snow under the flashlight was 10 cm thick, yet there wasn’t any on the flashlight itself".

We're any fingerprints ever taken from the this flash light?  Why did Slobtzov pick it up? Hopefully using gloved hands?  Why wouldn't you compare finger prints on flash light with the groups finger prints?  Maybe it was unlikely that even if someone else had held the light that they would have done so with bare hands given the cold conditions.

So why was there no snow on the flashlight and 10cm of snow underneath it?  Is there a logical explanation? Is it possible that the flashlight was simply being blown around by the wind?

No report of any finger printing done on anything as far as I know. And yet this was to become a criminal investigation  !  ? 
DB

February 14, 2019, 02:48:43 PM
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Another specific detail worthy of discussion: the flash light on the tent.

Quote from the case files:

On the side of the tent on top of 10 cm of snow laid Dyatlov's flashlight (made in China). Boris Slobtzov picked it up and turned it on - the flashlight was in working condition. From Slobtsov witness testimony (sheet 299) "we couldn’t understand why the snow under the flashlight was 10 cm thick, yet there wasn’t any on the flashlight itself".

We're any fingerprints ever taken from the this flash light?  Why did Slobtzov pick it up? Hopefully using gloved hands?  Why wouldn't you compare finger prints on flash light with the groups finger prints?  Maybe it was unlikely that even if someone else had held the light that they would have done so with bare hands given the cold conditions.

So why was there no snow on the flashlight and 10cm of snow underneath it?  Is there a logical explanation? Is it possible that the flashlight was simply being blown around by the wind?

No report of any finger printing done on anything as far as I know. And yet this was to become a criminal investigation  !  ?

I think the scene around the tent in particular was lacking any kind of preservation when discovered by the search and rescue party.  Without accurate sketches of where things were we have to rely on witness testimonies which are not accurate.  There is still important information there but it should be treated with caution.  One thing is becoming clear, the lack of any kind of foot prints around the immediate area of the tent does not mean anything.

February 14, 2019, 02:56:52 PM
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Another specific detail worthy of discussion: the flash light on the tent.

Quote from the case files:

On the side of the tent on top of 10 cm of snow laid Dyatlov's flashlight (made in China). Boris Slobtzov picked it up and turned it on - the flashlight was in working condition. From Slobtsov witness testimony (sheet 299) "we couldn’t understand why the snow under the flashlight was 10 cm thick, yet there wasn’t any on the flashlight itself".

We're any fingerprints ever taken from the this flash light?  Why did Slobtzov pick it up? Hopefully using gloved hands?  Why wouldn't you compare finger prints on flash light with the groups finger prints?  Maybe it was unlikely that even if someone else had held the light that they would have done so with bare hands given the cold conditions.

So why was there no snow on the flashlight and 10cm of snow underneath it?  Is there a logical explanation? Is it possible that the flashlight was simply being blown around by the wind?

No report of any finger printing done on anything as far as I know. And yet this was to become a criminal investigation  !  ?

I think the scene around the tent in particular was lacking any kind of preservation when discovered by the search and rescue party.  Without accurate sketches of where things were we have to rely on witness testimonies which are not accurate.  There is still important information there but it should be treated with caution.  One thing is becoming clear, the lack of any kind of foot prints around the immediate area of the tent does not mean anything.

We know all this  ! ?
DB