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April 11, 2019, 02:49:55 PM
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Fascinated by the topic for several years i have listen through almost every interview on the topic Dyatlov Pass and all the theories that comes with it.
Understanding the complexity is just the beginning of thie mysterious case.
But listen to Teddys last interview i began to wonder if a meteorit could do those kind of damages, if exploding near earth enough?
The thought of Chelyabinsk comes to mind since it also was a event over Ural.
I could also easy have been what the last pictures is about and what fascinated them to go out for a look at the fenomena.
Maybe realasing when they stod there, that it was coming their way.
I dont think anybody could imagine what could happened if it was to come your way.
But seen over and over again the videos available on youtube on the meteor in Chelyabinsk, i wonder if that could be the case.
It maybe also explain the radioactivity on theire clothes, i dont know for sure, but could be a possibility.
Grateful that i was allowed to join and looking forward to hear what your opinion are.
 

April 12, 2019, 12:33:53 AM
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Fascinated by the topic for several years i have listen through almost every interview on the topic Dyatlov Pass and all the theories that comes with it.
Understanding the complexity is just the beginning of thie mysterious case.
But listen to Teddys last interview i began to wonder if a meteorit could do those kind of damages, if exploding near earth enough?
The thought of Chelyabinsk comes to mind since it also was a event over Ural.
I could also easy have been what the last pictures is about and what fascinated them to go out for a look at the fenomena.
Maybe realasing when they stod there, that it was coming their way.
I dont think anybody could imagine what could happened if it was to come your way.
But seen over and over again the videos available on youtube on the meteor in Chelyabinsk, i wonder if that could be the case.
It maybe also explain the radioactivity on theire clothes, i dont know for sure, but could be a possibility.
Grateful that i was allowed to join and looking forward to hear what your opinion are.

An air burst of a meteor has been considered as credible by some.

Regards
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April 12, 2019, 04:01:05 AM
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I'm thinking maybe several minor ones, as they clearly seem to get away from something.
Shockwave compilation:

 

April 12, 2019, 10:38:02 AM
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Maybe man made meteors that contain nitric acid! = missiles.
 

April 12, 2019, 01:26:49 PM
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Fascinated by the topic for several years i have listen through almost every interview on the topic Dyatlov Pass and all the theories that comes with it.
Understanding the complexity is just the beginning of thie mysterious case.
But listen to Teddys last interview i began to wonder if a meteorit could do those kind of damages, if exploding near earth enough?
The thought of Chelyabinsk comes to mind since it also was a event over Ural.
I could also easy have been what the last pictures is about and what fascinated them to go out for a look at the fenomena.
Maybe realasing when they stod there, that it was coming their way.
I dont think anybody could imagine what could happened if it was to come your way.
But seen over and over again the videos available on youtube on the meteor in Chelyabinsk, i wonder if that could be the case.
It maybe also explain the radioactivity on theire clothes, i dont know for sure, but could be a possibility.
Grateful that i was allowed to join and looking forward to hear what your opinion are.

The Theories put forward for trying to explain the Dyatlov Incident are many and varied. The Meteor Theory has been put forward. But any Theory must take into account the whole sequence of events. And that includes the sudden decision by the Authorities to shut the Case down and shut the Area down as well for several years. A meteor would not have caused the injuries to Dubinina.
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May 04, 2019, 11:07:55 AM
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The Theories put forward for trying to explain the Dyatlov Incident are many and varied. The Meteor Theory has been put forward. But any Theory must take into account the whole sequence of events. And that includes the sudden decision by the Authorities to shut the Case down and shut the Area down as well for several years. A meteor would not have caused the injuries to Dubinina.l i
Well i think they could if the impact was close enough, no, not the tongue, but that could have a naturally explanation. If you look at the impact of the meteorite in the video, thats exploding high above, imagine that being closer what it could do.
 

May 04, 2019, 03:27:52 PM
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The Theories put forward for trying to explain the Dyatlov Incident are many and varied. The Meteor Theory has been put forward. But any Theory must take into account the whole sequence of events. And that includes the sudden decision by the Authorities to shut the Case down and shut the Area down as well for several years. A meteor would not have caused the injuries to Dubinina.l i
Well i think they could if the impact was close enough, no, not the tongue, but that could have a naturally explanation. If you look at the impact of the meteorite in the video, thats exploding high above, imagine that being closer what it could do.

But if a Meteor exploded as you suggest then we would expect to see more very serious injuries like suffered by Dubinina. 
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January 03, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
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Meteors are hardly ever radioactive.
 

May 09, 2020, 02:21:48 PM
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Why would nine very experienced (despite their young ages) outdoorsmen of sound body of mind flee their tent in the middle of the night leaving their gear and supplies behind? And what the hell happened to them once they reached the forest? I have spent many hours and countless sleepless nights contemplating what might have terrified them so badly. I have never believed in the ‘Alien’ theory nor do I believe they were attacked by animals/yeti/locals/escaped prisoners/Soviet military etc. The evidence is just not there. All evidence seems to point that no one else was there since the only footprints were those of the group. I also do not believe that they attacked each other. From everything I have read this was a tight harmonious group with an ‘All for one – one for all – leave no one behind’ mentality who would literally give the shirts off their back to help one another. I also do not believe they were under the influence of alcohol or hallucinogenic drugs. They undertook this expedition to get their hiking certification and took it seriously. They were not there to party! So what happened? A meteor air burst! Similar to the 1908 Tunguska event but on a much smaller scale. More on the order of the 2013 Chelyabinsk event. Remember the hikers 50km south of the Dyatlov group who saw 3 strange orange orbs in the sky that night? Many have thought that these sightings had to have been either UFO’s or missiles but I believe they saw 3 meteors (or more likely one meteor that had fragmented into three pieces upon entry into the atmosphere). They would have been extremely bright and have been visible for hundreds of miles.

Here is my timeline of the events of February 1, 1959:
It is late in the day and the sun will be setting soon. The group has been hiking and skiing all day. Bad weather has caused them to become disoriented. They have missed the pass and by the time they realize their mistake it is too late in the day to turn back and reach their planned campsite. They are left on the slope with two options. Either hike down 1.5 km to a forest which would provide them with shelter from the fierce winds and elements or set up camp right where they are. They decide on the latter, not wanting to lose the altitude they have gained or they were simply tired and decided to practice some open air camping. Dyatlov assesses the grade of the slope and determines the risk of avalanche is low so up comes the tent. They make their way inside but do not assemble their stove. Maybe they felt they didn’t need it. That candles, sleeping bags and their combined body heat would be enough to keep them warm, or maybe there was simply nothing around them on the open slope to use as firewood. In any case, they settle down and eat a meal together. What they need now most of all is sleep to recuperate from their grueling day but they won’t get it. Right before bedtime four group members, Zolotaryov, Dubinina, Thibeaux-Brignolle (a.k.a. TiBo) and Kolevatov leave the tent for a call of nature. They are better dressed than the others because they had planned to go outside. Once outside they see it. A large and extremely bright orb coming directly towards them! Zolotaryov raises his camera to take a picture and just as he snaps the photo the meteor explodes over their heads (You can see the tops of the heads of the other three at the bottom of the photo). Zolotaryov, who is holding the camera with his two arms extended in front of him, barely has time to turn slightly left when he is hit with the full force of the air burst’s resulting shockwave. His chest and the right side of his ribs are crushed. Additionally, because he was looking directly at the explosion, the shockwave ruptures the membrane surrounding his eyes, causing the fluids to leak out, blinding him instantly. Dubinina is also staring at the meteor with her hands covering her mouth in shock. She is transfixed by this, frozen like a deer in the headlights. She doesn’t turn away from the explosion and the shockwave’s impact is even more devastating to her, hitting her head on in the chest and face. The force of the impact crushes her ribs on both sides as well as crushing her nose and rupturing her eyeball membranes. In horror she bites off a chunk (not all) of her tongue, swallowing a good amount of blood as per the autopsy report.
It is worth pointing out here that one of the big mysteries and points of contention are how Zolotaryov and Dubinina suffered their broken chest and ribs. It was estimated that the force involved would have been similar to a car crash but since none of the surrounding soft tissue was damaged it excludes the possibility that they were in a crash or beaten with a blunt object. What exactly is an air burst and how does it kill? According to a Reddit post “In an explosion, lets say a non-nuclear bomb while ignoring everything except blast effects, you have a very small volume expanding at a velocity far greater than the speed of sound. This pushes the air out of the way, which causes piston heating and a high pressure region at the front of the shock. This high pressure region is what "hits" you and sweeps drag-sensitive targets away. However for an animal it needs to be quite a huge shock, or you need to be very close for this to kill you.”
I believe the Chelyabinsk air burst hit with a force of 1-2 PSI (Wind speeds: 38-70 MPH)* resulting in window glass shattering and light injuries from fragments occurring while the Tunguska event hit with a force of 20+ PSI (wind speeds: 502 MPH). I believe the Dyatlov group was hit with something in the middle, around 3-5 PSI (wind speeds: 102-163 MPH – car crash speed!) which would result in structures collapsing and serious, even fatal injuries occurring. This, IMHO is the most logical explanation for how the injuries occurred.
* All stats courtesy of the CDC

Back to the other two outside the tent. They have also been staring at the incoming object but they realize this is an attack and do what they were trained to do in such instances: Duck and cover! TiBo falls to the ground in the fetal position and manages to turn away just before the shockwave hits, sparing his chest and eyes but unfortunately is struck on the side of his head and on his right forearm by shrapnel, resulting in a fractured skull and haemorrhage to his arm. Kolevatov manages to turn around and fall to his knees but is struck with a small piece of shrapnel behind the left ear. It is not enough to cause a skull fracture but it is enough, in combination with the shockwave, to violently snap his neck forward and deform it. Not surprisingly all four are rendered unconscious.
Now to the five remaining members inside the tent. They are getting ready for bed and have removed their parkas and boots (but not all their clothes as it is still cold in the tent). Suddenly, without warning, they hear a massive explosion and a split second later the shockwave hits, collapsing the tent canvas on top of them. The shockwave also triggers a small loose snow avalanche which partially buries the tent. The heavy canvas of the tent shell has managed to absorb and deflect much of the shockwaves’ energy, sparing them the devastating injuries of their friends outside. But they have not escaped unscathed. The percussion blast would have left them all with concussions and a loud, deafening ringing in their ears. In addition, Komolgorova (a.k.a. Zina), who is lying on her side in the tent directly underneath the horizontal tent pole that keeps it up, is struck on the hip when the tent is blown down, resulting in an injury described as having been hit with a baton.
A few moments later, once they had regained their wits, they assume they are under attack. With the collapsed tent canvas and snow pushing on top of them, they are unable to find the door and someone cuts the canvas with a knife so allowing them to escape. Once outside they see their friends in real bad shape and in dire straits and this confirms to them that the attack was real and they must be the targets since there is nothing and no one else around on the wide open slope. Why did they conclude this had to be an attack? Well, for one even the residents of Chelyabinsk initially thought they were under attack from terrorists so it is not a stretch to see how they could mistake a meteor air burst for a missile or bomb. Remember, this was 1959. The cold war had been raging for over a decade at this point. These young adults would have been brainwashed since youth with propaganda that the ‘evil west’ was out to get them. In their minds the threat was real. Now back to the events. Dyatlov has concluded that they had been attacked and realized they were sitting ducks on the open slope. Fearing that whoever attacked them would be returning to finish the job he decides that they are not safe in their present location and must leave the tent and head for the perceived safety of the forest immediately! They check the four injured for pulses and they all still have one (barely). Their mentality is to leave no one behind and cannot justify leaving their injured friends behind to die so four people each grab an injured person, propping them up on their feet and wrapping an arm around their neck. They are led down the slope by a fifth member with a flashlight (probably Zina, who has an injured hip and cannot support the body weight of another). This was not a mad, crazed dash to the tree line. Investigators determined that by looking at their tracks they had been walking at a normal pace. It would have been very hard to move fast if they were supporting the body weight of another. They descend 500m, suffering cuts, bruises and abrasions to their ankles and lower legs. Some have theorized that they were shackled by their ankles at some point, causing said injuries but I believe they are the result of walking through deep snow and sharp ice without proper footwear. 500m down, the flashlight dies, either from dead battery or not being able to function in the frigid temperatures anymore so it is discarded. It is at this point that the snow pack becomes much harder and they are all able to slide on their backs most of the way down the steep slope to the edge of the forest.
Once having reached the tree line, Dyatlov needs someone to start a fire and act as a lookout while the other four each grab a body and descend further into the forest in search of a suitable location to construct a shelter. The obvious choice would be Zina due to her injured hip but Dyatlov doesn’t want a woman to have to face their attackers so he asks her if she is able to carry a body. Her injury is painful but not crippling so she says she can. Zina is one tough cookie. On a previous excursion she took a viper bite to the leg and despite being in serious pain, she refuses to lighten the load on her back so as not to be a burden to others. She seems to have an innate ability to ignore pain and focus on the task at hand. Dyatlov, confident that she can continue on, delegates the tasks to Doroshenko, who is the tallest and most physically imposing of the group. Doroshenko, now alone, starts a small fire with the intent of turning it into a roaring bonfire. Once the fire is going strong enough to be left unattended for a couple of minutes, he then focuses on his other task: being a lookout. He sees a large cedar tree close to the fire and climbs it, not in the goal of escaping from something or in search of firewood but to see if he can spot the tent and to see if anyone was there or descending the mountain after them. He climbs to an elevation of 5m. He can see the tent but his view is obstructed by a branch. When he tries to push the branch aside he loses his grip and takes a bad fall to the ground below. His injuries are not fatal but he is knocked out. With no one left to tend to the fire, it slowly dies.
Meanwhile, the remaining group has descended 75m into the forest when they come across a ravine that seems well protected from the wind. They are unaware that there is a small creek running through the ravine because it is covered in feet of snow. It is in this location that they decide to dig a snow den for shelter but they have no shovels or any digging tools so they use their bare hands to punch and dig through the hard snow and ice. It is here that the four conscious group members, Dyatlov, Zina, Slobodin and Krivonischenko (a.k.a. Georgy) suffer the injuries to their knuckles that everyone assumes were caused during a fistfight. A rotation is established here. Three people punch and dig in the snow while another cuts evergreen branches to serve as insulation in the den to keep the bodies off the snow. They all take turns until Georgy, poorly dressed and almost completely frozen by this point, cannot continue. Dyatlov tells him to return to the fire to warm up. He does so, only to find barely any fire left and Doroshenko by the cedar tree dying. He no longer has any feeling in his hands or legs and is in agonizing pain. Out of sheer desperation he grabs a smoldering log from the fire pit and presses it against his frozen leg, suffering burns to both areas. This backfires and he is in even more pain than before. He crawls over to Doroshenko’s dying body and lies next to him for body heat but it is too late and the pain is too severe. In his final conscious act he bites the back of his hand off in agony and passes out from the pain. Both he and Doroshenko die of hypothermia. They are the first to go.
Back at the den the digging is complete and evergreen branches have been laid across the floor. On top of the branches they place ripped clothes and belongings to make four seats. Zolotaryov, Dubinina and TiBo are brought into the den. When they try to move Kolevatov, he miraculously regains consciousness. Despite a serious neck injury he is able to walk and talk. Dyatlov then leads them back to the fire to warm up, only to discover no fire and their two friends dead. At this point it is decided that their only hope is to return to the tent to fetch their cold weather gear. Kolevatov is too injured to attempt the hike so Dyatlov tells him to return to the den and tend to the injured. Dyatlov, Zina and Slobodin will go to the tent and return at first light with clothes and supplies. Before returning to the den, Kolevatov tries to remove clothing from the deceased. He turns the body of Georgy over to try and remove his pants but they are frozen so he cuts them open with a knife, leaving straight sharp cuts along Georgy’s leg and thigh. He returns to the den and places Georgy’s pants on Dubinina. He then tries to grab Zolotaryov, maybe in an attempt to place clothing on him as well when suddenly the floor or wall of the den collapses, plunging all four into the icy creek below. The fall, in combination with the frigid waters and their already compromised condition, finish them off. The creek is on a steep slope, and the bodies either roll or are carried downstream by the water for approx. 10m before coming to their final resting place above a rock ledge. Dubinina actually falls over the ledge, with her body and head leaning up against it. She is found with her mouth open and water running through it. I believe that either micro organisms, fish or small animals, attracted by the smell of blood on her bitten-off tongue, eat the rest of it over the next three months.
Finally, back to the trio attempting to return to the tent. They are fighting severe hypothermia and extreme exhaustion by this point. Using the cedar tree as a starting point, the trio walk 300m together until Dyatlov collapses face first. Zina, who I believe has a romantic interest in Dyatlov, frantically tries to revive him. She turns him over onto his back and unbuttons his jacket either to check for a heartbeat or to perform CPR but it’s too late, he dies of hypothermia. She then clasps both of his hands in hers, close to his chest and kisses him goodbye. Zina and Slobodin continue uphill for 180m. Slobodin can hardly keep himself on his feet, falling down face first several times, each time hitting the side of his head because he can no longer brace his fall with his arms. Finally he falls for the last time and does not get up. Zina does not try to revive him. Maybe she doesn’t feel the same affection for him. Maybe she realized it is futile and a waste of energy. Most likely she is so far gone herself that she doesn’t care. She is likely dead on her feet at this point but heroically she continues on alone another 150m uphill until it is all too much. She collapses and expires. She is the last to die.

   In conclusion, I believe this is a simple case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Zolotaryov, Dubinina and TiBo were doomed as soon as the shockwave hit, but this story could have had survivors had the remaining six stayed at the tent. Unfortunately, Dyatlov, who is battling a brain injury and is not thinking clearly as a result, misidentifies the threat and dooms the rest of the group by leaving the campsite ill prepared.
Thomas
 

May 11, 2020, 01:24:10 PM
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Well that was a scenario that was close to what I thought of when I posted the thread.
Because i saw the force in the Chelyabinsk meteor and it dawned on me that that was a force similar to a car crash and could make a lot of damage on a body without  visibel outer trace.
You just told it much better than i ever could. okey1
 

May 11, 2020, 03:39:34 PM
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 [1] I have never believed in the ‘Alien’ theory nor do I believe they were attacked by animals/yeti/locals/escaped prisoners/Soviet military etc. The evidence is just not there. All evidence seems to point that no one else was there since the only footprints were those of the group. 

[[ WELL THERE IS EVIDENCE OF SORTS THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED IN VARIOUS WAYS  !  ?  ]]


[2] Right before bedtime four group members, Zolotaryov, Dubinina, Thibeaux-Brignolle (a.k.a. TiBo) and Kolevatov leave the tent for a call of nature. They are better dressed than the others because they had planned to go outside. Once outside they see it. A large and extremely bright orb coming directly towards them! Zolotaryov raises his camera to take a picture and just as he snaps the photo the meteor explodes over their heads (You can see the tops of the heads of the other three at the bottom of the photo). Zolotaryov, who is holding the camera with his two arms extended in front of him, barely has time to turn slightly left when he is hit with the full force of the air burst’s resulting shockwave. His chest and the right side of his ribs are crushed. Additionally, because he was looking directly at the explosion, the shockwave ruptures the membrane surrounding his eyes, causing the fluids to leak out, blinding him instantly. Dubinina is also staring at the meteor with her hands covering her mouth in shock. She is transfixed by this, frozen like a deer in the headlights. She doesn’t turn away from the explosion and the shockwave’s impact is even more devastating to her, hitting her head on in the chest and face. The force of the impact crushes her ribs on both sides as well as crushing her nose and rupturing her eyeball membranes. In horror she bites off a chunk (not all) of her tongue, swallowing a good amount of blood as per the autopsy report.

[[ SO YOU RECKON THAT MANY OF THE VERY SERIOUS LIFE THREATENING INJURIES TOOK PLACE AT THE TENT LOCATION  !  ?  ]]



 [3] These young adults would have been brainwashed since youth with propaganda that the ‘evil west’ was out to get them. In their minds the threat was real. Now back to the events. Dyatlov has concluded that they had been attacked and realized they were sitting ducks on the open slope. Fearing that whoever attacked them would be returning to finish the job he decides that they are not safe in their present location and must leave the tent and head for the perceived safety of the forest immediately! They check the four injured for pulses and they all still have one (barely). Their mentality is to leave no one behind and cannot justify leaving their injured friends behind to die so four people each grab an injured person, propping them up on their feet and wrapping an arm around their neck. They are led down the slope by a fifth member with a flashlight (probably Zina, who has an injured hip and cannot support the body weight of another). This was not a mad, crazed dash to the tree line. Investigators determined that by looking at their tracks they had been walking at a normal pace. It would have been very hard to move fast if they were supporting the body weight of another.


[[ WHATS THE EVIL WEST DOING IN THIS VERY REMOTE PART OF THE USSR ATTACKING HIKERS.  AND YOU RECKON THAT SOME OF THE DYATLOV GROUP CARRIED THEIR VERY SERIOUSLY INJURED COMPATRIOTS FOR ABOUT A MILE, BUT DIDNT BOTHER TO DRESS PROPERLY OR TAKE ANY EQUIPMENT WITH THEM. !  ?  ]]
DB
 

May 23, 2020, 06:57:33 AM
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Hello!

I find one issue with meteor / missile theory.
Let's suppose it happened...

First, they probably had seen light then they made educated guess about it's velocity and trajectory - they were engineers or about to become.
I can imagine observing this orb in sky for few dozens of seconds outside the tent - just everybody in group, talking about it's origin and velocity before
making decision to leave. Then taking as much useful tools and clothes for survival as they can and leaving tent in few minutes.
Not slashing tent from inside with knife madly and walking down slowly, freezing. It makes no sense to me.

Shockwave hit them near tree line, possibly pushing some of them against trees/rocks with huge intensity causing lethal wounds to Zolotarev and Dubinina.

Considering the approaching object to be rocket, let's say  rocket of that time, R12 (source: http://www.astronautix.com/r/r-12.html)

Once launched, the missile had a time of flight of 11.8 minutes. Maximum velocity at burnout was 3530 m/s, and warhead accuracy 6 km in range, 5 km laterally.

It takes about 12minutes after launch to hit target. How could Dyatlov's group move so far from tent in 12 minutes ??

Also consider observing conditions in that area on slope which blocks visibility towards hypothetical launch site...

I may be overlooking some important facts but to me, escaping from approaching meteor shower makes some sense, escaping from approaching makes no sense considering the distance they were able to walk...

 

November 08, 2025, 11:50:18 AM
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It takes about 12minutes after launch to hit target. How could Dyatlov's group move so far from tent in 12 minutes ??
Good point! It is not possible to run away too far if meteor (or missile) is already on its way to the tent. Also it's very hard to calculate trajectory. To run away, you need to be sure that "object" comes directly to your location. Otherwise, you should not bother about it. Further, to perform calculation people should be outside, not inside. The tent had neither windows nor glass roof to see approaching flying object. And if people were outside, it was no reason to slash the tent.

This makes to think that flying object was a surprise for the hikers, who were inside the tent with no exception. It bumpped the slope, which collapsed the tent and made the hikers to urgently get out of it.
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November 15, 2025, 03:44:36 PM
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It takes about 12minutes after launch to hit target. How could Dyatlov's group move so far from tent in 12 minutes ??
Good point! It is not possible to run away too far if meteor (or missile) is already on its way to the tent. Also it's very hard to calculate trajectory. To run away, you need to be sure that "object" comes directly to your location. Otherwise, you should not bother about it. Further, to perform calculation people should be outside, not inside. The tent had neither windows nor glass roof to see approaching flying object. And if people were outside, it was no reason to slash the tent.

This makes to think that flying object was a surprise for the hikers, who were inside the tent with no exception. It bumpped the slope, which collapsed the tent and made the hikers to urgently get out of it.

No evidence of a missile was found.
DB
 

November 19, 2025, 06:48:40 AM
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No evidence of a missile was found.
Yes, nobody argues that. However, for a missile we have at least some indirect signs. Quite a few people observed "fireballs" in sky in that area at different dates. And one group of hikers, which was on the Chistop mountain in the beginning of February 1959, observed a missile (not just "fireball"!) flying close to Otorten. For avalanche, nobody had seen one on 1079 in February 1959 or later. And a missile is more suitable vehicule to tansport radioactive material than avalanche.
 

November 20, 2025, 01:04:07 AM
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No evidence of a missile was found.
Yes, nobody argues that. However, for a missile we have at least some indirect signs. Quite a few people observed "fireballs" in sky in that area at different dates. And one group of hikers, which was on the Chistop mountain in the beginning of February 1959, observed a missile (not just "fireball"!) flying close to Otorten. For avalanche, nobody had seen one on 1079 in February 1959 or later. And a missile is more suitable vehicule to tansport radioactive material than avalanche.

The objects in the sky were seen by a number of people on different dates . Further research suspects they are either space rockets or missiles separating their different stages. This is caused when the rocket leaves the earth's shadow and the sun then shines on the rocket and its various stages along with the gases . It is usually many miles away .

Dyatlov pass is many miles away from the launch sites and I'm not sure if any ICBM's would have the range from the launch site. Even if they were being tested I'm not sure what the radioactive substance would be or how it came to be as reported. I think they had some sort of radioactive battery for the satellites but the location doesn't seem to fit in with anything.

We have also looked at missiles against the U2 spy plane or fighter jets trying to intercept the spy plane.
I think part of the problem was that the dyatlov location holds no strategic purpose for military sites or flight paths. Only thoughts.
 

November 20, 2025, 02:16:55 AM
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Further research suspects they are either space rockets or missiles separating their different stages. This is caused when the rocket leaves the earth's shadow and the sun then shines on the rocket and its various stages along with the gases . It is usually many miles away.
A space rocket sounds promising. If we look at the context, on January 2nd, 1959 the Soviet Union performed quite successful launch of a Moon probe. The probe did not reach the Moon, as it was expected, but it passed quite close to it and became Sun's sattelite. So flights to the Moon had become a reality already. What should be next? Obviously, Mars and Venus. But it is hard to reach Mars or Venus on kerosine, more powerful engines were required. And this was especially relevant for upper stages that were expected to leave the Earth's orbit and travel long distances to reach other planets.
 

November 20, 2025, 04:02:48 AM
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Further research suspects they are either space rockets or missiles separating their different stages. This is caused when the rocket leaves the earth's shadow and the sun then shines on the rocket and its various stages along with the gases . It is usually many miles away.
A space rocket sounds promising. If we look at the context, on January 2nd, 1959 the Soviet Union performed quite successful launch of a Moon probe. The probe did not reach the Moon, as it was expected, but it passed quite close to it and became Sun's sattelite. So flights to the Moon had become a reality already. What should be next? Obviously, Mars and Venus. But it is hard to reach Mars or Venus on kerosine, more powerful engines were required. And this was especially relevant for upper stages that were expected to leave the Earth's orbit and travel long distances to reach other planets.

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On February 17, I and Vladimir Shavkunov got up at 6 am to prepare breakfast for the group. After making a fire and preparing everything necessary, we waited for the food to get ready. The sky was gray, there were no clouds, but there was a slight haze, which usually dissipates with the rising of the sun. Sitting facing north and accidentally turning my head to the east, I saw 30° high in the sky a milky white blur about 5-6 moons in diameter and a series of concentric circles. It resembled a halo around the moon in a clear frosty weather. I made a comment to my partner, that's how they painted the moon. He thought and said that in the first there is no moon, and besides, it should be on the other side. From the moment we noticed this phenomenon, it lasted 1-2 minutes, and how long it was there

 

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before we noticed it we don't know. At this moment, at the very center of this spot, an asterisk flared up, which for a few seconds remained the same size, and then began to increase sharply in size and rapidly move in a western direction. Within a few seconds, she grew to the size of the moon, and then tearing off the smoke screen or clouds appeared a huge milk disc of milky color, 2-2.5 moons in diameter, surrounded by the same rings of pale color. Then, remaining the same size, the ball began to fade until it merged with the surrounding halo, which in turn spread out across the sky and went out. It was dawn. The clock was 6.57, the phenomenon lasted no more than a half minutes and produced a very uneasy impression. Initially, we did not pay attention to it, but then, when the glowing disk itself appeared, we were amazed. Personally, I had the impression that some heavenly body was falling in our direction, then, when it had grown to such enormous dimensions, a thought flashed through my head that another planet came into contact with the Earth, that now a collision would follow and nothing would remain of all earthly things. We were already awake for more than an hour, so we were well awake and didn't believe in hallucinations, but we just stood there hypnotized and only when the disc began to fade we rushed to the tent


to wake up our comrades and show them the unusual phenomenon. I do not know how Karelin managed to jump out of the sleeping bag at lightning speed and run outside the tent in his underwear wearing only socks. He managed to see the disc losing its outline and the bright spot spreading across the sky. I had to talk a lot with eyewitnesses, and most people describe this case about the same way and adds that the light from him was so strong that people in homes were awakened from sleep.


Google says the following. ( Although it's AI). I can't remember if this is fact checked.

Actual Program Status: In reality, the Soviet ICBM program was experiencing a standstil due to developmental issues with the R-7 (SS-6) missile. There were no ICBM test launches from the Tyuratam test site (Baikonur Cosmodrome) between May 29, 1958, and February 17, 1959. The February 17 launch would be the first launch of an SS-6 (R-7) in nearly nine months.
 

November 20, 2025, 04:09:11 AM
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Wikipedia says March 17 1959 so I don't know if rocket types or dates are getting mixed up .
 

November 20, 2025, 04:44:25 AM
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Wikipedia says March 17 1959 so I don't know if rocket types or dates are getting mixed up .
If we look at the case files, we can see that many people observed "fireballs" twice: on February 17th (e.g. Karelin's group) and on March 31st (e.g. Sogrin's group). Modern investigations show that both "fireballs" were R-7 missiles launced from Tyuratam (Baikonur Cosmodrome) and targeted for Kamchatka, far East of the Sovient Union. Those launches were ICBM tests, which means military program.

At the same time, the Tyuratam site was used to develop Soviet space program. First ever sattilite (sputnik) was launched from there in October 1957. In 1959 Tyuratam was used for the Moon launches. Officially, there were 4 space program launches in 1959, all to the Moon. And 3 of them were successful, which is incredible result. At the beginning of space era we could expect higher failure rate than 25%, as the technology was not mature yet. And there is a big gap in space launches in 1959 -- 1st launch on January 2nd, then second launch only on June 18th. For comparison, gap between launching sputnik-1 and sputnik-2 in 1957 was approximately a month.

This makes to think that in first half of 1959 Tyuratam might had been used for more space program launches. And not necessarily related to the Moon program.

Have you considered NTP rocket as possible cause of DPI?
 

November 25, 2025, 12:35:48 PM
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No evidence of a missile was found.
Yes, nobody argues that. However, for a missile we have at least some indirect signs. Quite a few people observed "fireballs" in sky in that area at different dates. And one group of hikers, which was on the Chistop mountain in the beginning of February 1959, observed a missile (not just "fireball"!) flying close to Otorten. For avalanche, nobody had seen one on 1079 in February 1959 or later. And a missile is more suitable vehicule to tansport radioactive material than avalanche.

It's a fact that many natives of the area have witnessed strange lights in the sky over a period of time, and that goes back to the time of this mystery. Reports of balls of light are fairly common. One of our researchers was very keen on the ball lightning theory. I don't subscribe to that theory. But I do believe that balls of light, whatever they are, are genuinely witnessed, and they are not missiles.



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November 25, 2025, 12:38:31 PM
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Further research suspects they are either space rockets or missiles separating their different stages. This is caused when the rocket leaves the earth's shadow and the sun then shines on the rocket and its various stages along with the gases . It is usually many miles away.
A space rocket sounds promising. If we look at the context, on January 2nd, 1959 the Soviet Union performed quite successful launch of a Moon probe. The probe did not reach the Moon, as it was expected, but it passed quite close to it and became Sun's sattelite. So flights to the Moon had become a reality already. What should be next? Obviously, Mars and Venus. But it is hard to reach Mars or Venus on kerosine, more powerful engines were required. And this was especially relevant for upper stages that were expected to leave the Earth's orbit and travel long distances to reach other planets.

But what does a space rocket sound promising for? If such a rocket had landed at the pass, it would have left a big mess over a wide area.


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November 25, 2025, 12:44:48 PM
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Wikipedia says March 17 1959 so I don't know if rocket types or dates are getting mixed up .
If we look at the case files, we can see that many people observed "fireballs" twice: on February 17th (e.g. Karelin's group) and on March 31st (e.g. Sogrin's group). Modern investigations show that both "fireballs" were R-7 missiles launced from Tyuratam (Baikonur Cosmodrome) and targeted for Kamchatka, far East of the Sovient Union. Those launches were ICBM tests, which means military program.

At the same time, the Tyuratam site was used to develop Soviet space program. First ever sattilite (sputnik) was launched from there in October 1957. In 1959 Tyuratam was used for the Moon launches. Officially, there were 4 space program launches in 1959, all to the Moon. And 3 of them were successful, which is incredible result. At the beginning of space era we could expect higher failure rate than 25%, as the technology was not mature yet. And there is a big gap in space launches in 1959 -- 1st launch on January 2nd, then second launch only on June 18th. For comparison, gap between launching sputnik-1 and sputnik-2 in 1957 was approximately a month.

This makes to think that in first half of 1959 Tyuratam might had been used for more space program launches. And not necessarily related to the Moon program.

Have you considered NTP rocket as possible cause of DPI?




Where are the references to the rocket launches? And the flight path you give is nowhere near the Dyatlov Pass.

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November 25, 2025, 01:00:29 PM
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But I do believe that balls of light, whatever they are, are genuinely witnessed, and they are not missiles.
That is great that you leave missiles to me! Appreciated!

I see no other interpretation for the fireballs seen in February-March in the Urals. When a missile flies in dark sky and its nozzle spits flame, light from the flame spreads all directions. This is perceived from afar as a fireball. And people, depending of their level of knowledge, called them differently. For usual people they were fireballs. For hikers - planets and meteors (Karelin, Atmanaki). For Mansi - creatures spewing flame from ass (sorry, Korotaev's words). For Maslennikov they were meteorological rockets.

Hikers Vladimirov and Shumkov were very straight - they saw a rocket flying Otorten direction in the beginning of February 1959.
 

November 25, 2025, 01:04:27 PM
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But what does a space rocket sound promising for? If such a rocket had landed at the pass, it would have left a big mess over a wide area.
I do not think we should talk about a whole rocket. Space rockets are multistage. I think that only upper stage landed there. And upper stage is just few meters long.
 

November 25, 2025, 01:08:52 PM
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Where are the references to the rocket launches? And the flight path you give is nowhere near the Dyatlov Pass.
Here they are: https://spasecraftrocket.org/s_baikonur1959.html

8K71 is an ICBM, launches were from Tyuratam to KURA (Kamchatka)
8K72 is a space rocket
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But I do believe that balls of light, whatever they are, are genuinely witnessed, and they are not missiles.
That is great that you leave missiles to me! Appreciated!

I see no other interpretation for the fireballs seen in February-March in the Urals. When a missile flies in dark sky and its nozzle spits flame, light from the flame spreads all directions. This is perceived from afar as a fireball. And people, depending of their level of knowledge, called them differently. For usual people they were fireballs. For hikers - planets and meteors (Karelin, Atmanaki). For Mansi - creatures spewing flame from ass (sorry, Korotaev's words). For Maslennikov they were meteorological rockets.

Hikers Vladimirov and Shumkov were very straight - they saw a rocket flying Otorten direction in the beginning of February 1959.

I see an interpretation, and it's called UFO. Unidentified Flying Object. That may or may not be from this planet or existence.

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December 01, 2025, 03:40:49 PM
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But what does a space rocket sound promising for? If such a rocket had landed at the pass, it would have left a big mess over a wide area.
I do not think we should talk about a whole rocket. Space rockets are multistage. I think that only upper stage landed there. And upper stage is just few meters long.

In which case, how could it cause the Dyatlov Group to want to abandon their tent and risk death, which is what happened? How was this minor part of the rocket at the tent and the forest, and the ravine? And causing those strange injuries.
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In which case, how could it cause the Dyatlov Group to want to abandon their tent and risk death, which is what happened? How was this minor part of the rocket at the tent and the forest, and the ravine? And causing those strange injuries.
According to Roscosmos, one of the operational trajecrories for spacecraft launches from Baikonur Cosmodrome goes through the Urals. A space rocket launched along that trajectory throws away its 1st stage somewhere in Kazakhstan, while the 2nd stage is thrown away above the Urals. The 2nd stage falls on the ground not far from Ivdel, to the south of the town.

It is expected that the 3rd stage starts its engine and flies further to space. But if the 3rd stage has technical problem and cannot fly, most probably it will fall on the ground to the north of Ivdel. And this 3rd stage will have full tanks of fuel, which is important. Then much depends of what kind of engine the 3rd stage has and what kind of fuel is in the tanks.

It is important that potential areas of rockets' stages landing are huge, and these areas cannot be closed completely. Instead, the authorities put temporary restrictions to access those areas by hikers, hunters, fishermen, etc. Since trajectories are defined to go over low populated areas, people who live there are not asked to leave, as chances to hit anybody are also very low.

Even in case of crash, 3rd stage is usually harmless. It lays in wilderness until evacuation team comes and gets it back to the factory. But it's better not to approach it and not to light a fire nearby.
 

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If such a rocket had landed at the pass, it would have left a big mess over a wide area.
Perhaps, 'big mess' left by a fallen rocket's stage is an exaggeration. There are examples, when the spot, where a part of a rocket landed, looks quite innocent. This article says more about that: https://www.e1.ru/text/world/2019/02/21/65981111/