Sorry WAB, but I cannot understand your answers. Something got lost in translation.
It can be also because I sometimes too hasten with the answer. I am apologies.
What I mean by “booties” (made of synthetic material, very warm & soft) they are the modern version of valenki. So, I will only use the word ‘valenki’ from now on.
I well understand about that you mean, when speak about "bootees". It is footwear for this purpose what to be in tent and it was possible to leave it for short time *).
However it is necessary to understand that it is footwear it is not intended what in it to sleep. For this reason I speak about some (the additional!) warm socks in which they slept. "Bootees", valenoks and other similar footwear (look *) it is necessary as replacement of the basic footwear (for a route running gear) and camp parking and in tent, except a case when in it sleep.
The running footwear is difficult for carrying constantly and she demands constant drying. All time is in it noncomfort, therefore it remove on parking.
Some people who have very soft and easy "bootees" I can sleep in them, but it is more exception, instead of a rule.
I can confidently tell that 2 or 3 steams woollen socks about thermal protection are not worse at all than "bootees", but in them to sleep more comfortably: they are easier and warmer. Feet in them have a rest better.
Certainly in socks it is not necessary to leave tent. They can be wet quickly from snow and they will be not suitable for a dream. But so nobody assumed to do. That many participants of Dyatlov group were in socks on snow, it not a settlement case, and result of circumstances of this case.
I am trying to understand why most of the Dyatlov group left their valenki in a pile in a corner of the tent.
Valenoks do not take so much, how many happens participants of group. Them take less that it would be possible to leave their tents to any to whom there was such necessity. Therefore them take such size that all who has at present such requirement could use.
Therefore them remove for a dream and put in a place, whence they can take all for whom it is necessary. Certainly it not is all at once.
Valenoks are necessary to duty man if their running footwear demands drying. Or to whom that still, for carrying out of auxiliary works. + «valenoks for duty man» at night for an exit of their tent.
For this reason all basic valenoks have been combined in tent, and unique who was in valenoks - Nikolay Tibo - was the person on duty. He has been dressed how it is necessary for the person on duty at such parking. + two hours - one more sign of the person on duty. For this purpose, what to watch time if one hours stop
It is my experience that skiers always remove their ski boots before entering the tent. We wear valenki in the tent to rest feet and keep our feet warm during the evening while cooking dinner etc. We remove valenki before getting in the sleeping bag for the night, and each person keeps their own valenki beside their bed.
You say too most that I spoke just. But from us do not take valenoks for everyone because it is more difficult for transferring and the requirement for them is not always. If to use «the theory of schedules» it is possible even to find precisely exact optimum quantity of valenoks for group in concrete travel. The economy of weight and volume is characteristic for difficult travel.
In the rest at us in the same way as well as at you.
Are you really saying that in the tent, the Dyatlov group always wore socks only?
There is no I did not say that «socks only ». Above I have written those principles, which use for footwear of what to sleep in tent.
I recall you said in some other post that it was minus 30 Celsius the night of February 1-2, 1959 at the Dyatlov Pass. Personally, I cannot imagine staying in unheated tent at minus 20 or 30 degree Celsius without valenki while preparing and eating dinner during evening. My feet would be frozen in about one hour or less sitting in such cold, if I only wore socks.
No, it was told not by me. I estimate temperature in the top part of slope as-15C …-18C with an average on force wind, and below (at cedar) as-20C …-24C. It too «not so hot», but is much better than that you have resulted.
It is impossible to estimate conditions in the street equal to conditions in which "sleep" in tent. In tent create such conditions when concentrate a thermal protection and locally keep warmly special conditions. In extreme conditions it is impossible to create absolutely comfortable conditions, therefore create their "admissible" level. Good model of these conditions is the sleeping bag in frosty tent. But it is possible to create such «the sleeping unit» which will create conditions that it would be possible «to endure night». As it was in a case with this spending the night of Dyatlov group. They have specially established camp on this place and have simulated conditions which Igor Dyatlov had in 1958 in Subpolar Ural Mountains when went in Moisey Axelrod group. Then they went 3 days in such conditions what to incorporate to other part of group which have transported in other place. Dyatlov knew that in Subpolar Ural Mountains it is impossible to do without such spending the night and has decided to arrange group training in such conditions. Their group was going to travel further to such areas as Subpolar Ural Mountains. It the following step to their travel was false to be.
However all has gone at all how it planned, because the extraneous external natural factor which has not been connected with such spending the night has interfered. Therefore all has come to an end so is sad.
Spending the night without tent heating is a normal course of actions on such travel. It is necessary to be only ready to them morally and with equipment. There is an extreme variant as was in this case. Here there was a problem to overstay night and to move further. Nobody was going to achieve the maximum comfort.
At us with Shura all spending the night was without tent heating. These are 5 times (2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2019) on 5 … 6 days. + almost all other winter travel to a current of the last 30 … 35 years, too were without tent heating. But they were in much more difficult and cold areas, than these Northern Ural Mountains. It is necessary to understand that at us the equipment was much better, than at Dyatlov group in 1959.
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Part of my theory is this: during the evening of February 1 the Dyatlov group were eating dinner in the unheated tent, and they all wore their valenki because it was so cold. Then something emitting some kind of radiation hovered above the tent. They became very hot from the radiation (as in the Colares cases, see link below).
Those who were in the Dyatlov tent had gathered near the entrance and removed their valenki to try to cool off their feet, leaving the valenki in a pile near the entrance. That didn’t help, so they had to quickly cut the tent to immediately escape the burning rays. ( I will elaborate later. )
(The Colares (Brazil) cases were investigated by medical doctor, the military, and professional researcher. These are credible and documented cases. Some of the victims reported “intense heat” in their feet specifically.
More about Colares at this link: https://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/colares.htm#events )
I cannot make comments that connected with UFO. Until it will be clear that such UFO and what properties it possesses. In other case of UFO it is fashionable attribute any properties, but from it will not be clearer that has occurred.
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