Forgery of photographs after January 26, 1959

[Gorojanin]

Also added  to the main post

And another mistake of Ivanov. Sheets of the case 376-377 - additional questions to the expert, radiologist Levashov








 
Question №4 : What do you think, what could be the degree of contamination of individual objects, if we take into account that before your research they were in running water for about 15 days.

We are talking about the things of the four found 05.05.1959 in the stream.

Minus 15 days is mid-April.

From somewhere Ivanov knows that the bodies got into the stream (i.e. they were delivered and buried there) in the middle of April. How does Ivanov know this, if he is not the curator of the fake event?

[Gorojanin]

 And this is a tombstone for all the tales about the tracks of the Dyatlov group near the tent. This is also a direct indication that the two bodies in the forest, barely covered by snow, were brought by the stage props the 2-3 days before they were found.

Reference received by E. Koskina, in the Ural Department of the weather service.

It was snowing 1-4, 6-13, 15, 19-22, 25; heavy snow - 1, 21, 24-25; snowstorms of all kinds-4, 12-16, 23 in February 1959.

The nearest weather station to the pass is located in Burmantovo. And although from it to the pass 66 km, all multi-day phenomena capture a large area.

[Jean Daniel Reuss]

Made several additions to the main post .
..........................
Read in the General diary:
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27.1.59.  At 4 o'clock we started... We drove 8 km in 2 hours... It was getting dark.
January 28.  We get up to rest at 5: 30...............
............... 

Effectively it is possible that the photos you show are not authentic, because this kind of photographic faking is relatively easy to do.

I would like to know, according to your senario or interpretation, what are your answers to the following questions:

A // What exactly are the photos on the web page:

    https://dyatlovpass.com/cameras

that aren't authentic, i.e., that have been faked ?

There are 126 of them in all, without those of Zolotaryov.
Krivonischenko's camera = (61)
Thibeaux-Brignolle's camera  = (17)
Slobodin's camera  = (12)
Unknown camera  = (24)
Loose photos =  (12)


  B // Do these diary passages correspond to reality ?

The hikers normally spend the night of January 27-28, 1959 at North 2 = 2nd North = Second Severniye.

January 28 :
   • " Started at 11.45. We go up the river Lozva. We take turns to head the group for about 10 minutes. Snow cover is significantly less than last year. We have to stop and scrape the wet, melting snow from the bottom of the skis. Yurka Kri is behind and makes topos of the route. The bank of the river near Second North (especially the right bank) are limestone cliffs that rise high at places. Overall the terrain becomes flatter, entirely covered by forest.
We stop to rest at 5:30 pm on river Lozva. Today we spend our first night in the tent. The guys are busy with the stove, sewing curtains out of sheets. With some thing completed and others not, we sit at dinner. "

  • " Uncle Slava is leaving today on his horse, and Yura Yudin is leaving too. "

  • " The weather is as warm as yesterday (T = -8° C)  "


  C // At what time did the hikers were :

  a) attacked and defeated ?
  b) held prisoner and possibly tortured  ?
  c) killed ?

Is it:
    1 - On January 28th a little after 11.45 ?
    2 - The evening or the night of January 28th ?
    3 - The day of January 29th ?
    4 - At a later date ?

  D // The tent, the objects and films, the cache (labaz), the 9 corpses were gradually found (discovered) from 26 February 1959.

How many people were needed to set up near the Dyatlov Pass, before February 26, 1959, which would be a misleading staging ?
Among other difficulties, two strong porters per corpse were needed for transport from the vicinity of Second Severniye to the cedar area.

[Gorojanin]

Made several additions to the main post .
..........................
Read in the General diary:
..................................
27.1.59.  At 4 o'clock we started... We drove 8 km in 2 hours... It was getting dark.
January 28.  We get up to rest at 5: 30...............
............... 

Effectively it is possible that the photos you show are not authentic, because this kind of photographic faking is relatively easy to do.

I would like to know, according to your senario or interpretation, what are your answers to the following questions:

A // What exactly are the photos on the web page:

    https://dyatlovpass.com/cameras

that aren't authentic, i.e., that have been faked ?

There are 126 of them in all, without those of Zolotaryov.
Krivonischenko's camera = (61)
Thibeaux-Brignolle's camera  = (17)
Slobodin's camera  = (12)
Unknown camera  = (24)
Loose photos =  (12)


  B // Do these diary passages correspond to reality ?

The hikers normally spend the night of January 27-28, 1959 at North 2 = 2nd North = Second Severniye.

January 28 :
   • " Started at 11.45. We go up the river Lozva. We take turns to head the group for about 10 minutes. Snow cover is significantly less than last year. We have to stop and scrape the wet, melting snow from the bottom of the skis. Yurka Kri is behind and makes topos of the route. The bank of the river near Second North (especially the right bank) are limestone cliffs that rise high at places. Overall the terrain becomes flatter, entirely covered by forest.
We stop to rest at 5:30 pm on river Lozva. Today we spend our first night in the tent. The guys are busy with the stove, sewing curtains out of sheets. With some thing completed and others not, we sit at dinner. "

  • " Uncle Slava is leaving today on his horse, and Yura Yudin is leaving too. "

  • " The weather is as warm as yesterday (T = -8° C)  "

All photos with members of Dyatlov's group after January 26 are forged. Except for a few photos of Thibault, who was actually photographed.
False events were recorded in all diaries after January 26.
All events after January 26 are fake.

C // At what time did the hikers were :

  a) attacked and defeated ?
  b) held prisoner and possibly tortured  ?
  c) killed ?

Is it:
    1 - On January 28th a little after 11.45 ?
    2 - The evening or the night of January 28th ?
    3 - The day of January 29th ?
    4 - At a later date ?

The group was taken on a passing track from Vishay on January 26 to the place of final stay and death. Dubinina was the first to be killed on January 30. Krivonishchenko was killed on February 8-10. The others were killed between these dates. Except for Thibault, who was killed between the first days of March and the beginning of April.

The second group of bodies was delivered in the period from the beginning to the middle of April

D // The tent, the objects and films, the cache (labaz), the 9 corpses were gradually found (discovered) from 26 February 1959.

How many people were needed to set up near the Dyatlov Pass, before February 26, 1959, which would be a misleading staging ?
Among other difficulties, two strong porters per corpse were needed for transport from the vicinity of Second Severniye to the cedar area.

The first batch of five corpses, personal belongings, and a tent were delivered at the beginning of February 20. The most convenient time is the night of February 23, 1959.
The first five bodies and the tent were comfortably delivered by sleigh or car across the ice of Lozva (so that there were no questions about the thickness of the ice - the fishermen on Lozva drive all types of cars ), then Auspiа (the winter road along it was also on maps of the 1960s ); from it to the pass 1300 m of flat terrain. Sticking up a tent in an idiotic place and carrying bodies from persons like a group in this photo will take an hour.

There are 13 people here. The fourteenth person takes photos. Members of Dyatlov's group are inserted.

[WAB]

And this is a tombstone for all the tales about the tracks of the Dyatlov group near the tent. This is also a direct indication that the two bodies in the forest, barely covered by snow, were brought by the stage props the 2-3 days before they were found.

Reference received by E. Koskina, in the Ural Department of the weather service.

It was snowing 1-4, 6-13, 15, 19-22, 25; heavy snow - 1, 21, 24-25; snowstorms of all kinds-4, 12-16, 23 in February 1959.

The nearest weather station to the pass is located in Burmantovo. And although from it to the pass 66 km, all multi-day phenomena capture a large area.

Ну зачем вы и тут опять начинаете вешать лапшу на уши читателям? Вам русских форумов мало?

Why are you lying to readers here? You have already been clearly explained several times on Russian forums (https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=12503.0  https://pereval1959.kamrbb.ru/?x=read&razdel=38&tema=249#main_249 and other ) that you have absolutely no knowledge of what you are talking about, especially in the subtle properties of film photography and the ways of so-called "fake". They were people who know it very well. I didn't interfere in those conversations just because there were already quite a few qualified people there. People here know much less about the specifics of our discussions on this topic, so don't embarrass the country with your stupid fantasy. Anyway, I'm not going given`t it to you by starting expose your speculations.
 If you start with the weather that you started speculating on, it's very easy. To talk about the weather in Burmantovo and compare it with what is happening on the pass and near it is complete bluff. Burmantovo is more than 60 km from the pass and more than 725 meters lower in absolute height. So the weather is as different as the sky is from the ground.
Here is a sheet compare the weather at the pass and at Burmantovo in January 2015, when we were there and recorded the weather on site. Other data (from Burmantovo) are from official sources - from weather station.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u1jwnPdGupHhO4P08eSXtXcDc7eQmfJ8/view?usp=sharing

So all your argumentation here no is worth broken penny 

[Gorojanin]

And this is a tombstone for all the tales about the tracks of the Dyatlov group near the tent. This is also a direct indication that the two bodies in the forest, barely covered by snow, were brought by the stage props the 2-3 days before they were found.

Reference received by E. Koskina, in the Ural Department of the weather service.

It was snowing 1-4, 6-13, 15, 19-22, 25; heavy snow - 1, 21, 24-25; snowstorms of all kinds-4, 12-16, 23 in February 1959.

The nearest weather station to the pass is located in Burmantovo. And although from it to the pass 66 km, all multi-day phenomena capture a large area.

Ну зачем вы и тут опять начинаете вешать лапшу на уши читателям? Вам русских форумов мало?

Why are you lying to readers here? You have already been clearly explained several times on Russian forums (https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=12503.0  https://pereval1959.kamrbb.ru/?x=read&razdel=38&tema=249#main_249 and other ) that you have absolutely no knowledge of what you are talking about, especially in the subtle properties of film photography and the ways of so-called "fake". They were people who know it very well. I didn't interfere in those conversations just because there were already quite a few qualified people there. People here know much less about the specifics of our discussions on this topic, so don't embarrass the country with your stupid fantasy. Anyway, I'm not going given`t it to you by starting expose your speculations.
 If you start with the weather that you started speculating on, it's very easy. To talk about the weather in Burmantovo and compare it with what is happening on the pass and near it is complete bluff. Burmantovo is more than 60 km from the pass and more than 725 meters lower in absolute height. So the weather is as different as the sky is from the ground.
Here is a sheet compare the weather at the pass and at Burmantovo in January 2015, when we were there and recorded the weather on site. Other data (from Burmantovo) are from official sources - from weather station.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u1jwnPdGupHhO4P08eSXtXcDc7eQmfJ8/view?usp=sharing

So all your argumentation here no is worth broken penny 

Вы еще ничего вменяемого не придумали по представленным фактам, но врать всегда готовы.

On all top forums devoted to Dyatlov's group , photomontage is forbidden. Including on the forum of the writer Buyanov. There will be nothing but stupidity and insults. Researcher of the Dyatlov group Semiletov even deleted his forum Hibinafiles, when the topic of photomontage was discussed in a dozen sections.

Multi-day precipitation and snowstorms are a cyclone, and it captures not tens, but hundreds of kilometers.

Did the deceive the witness Dryahlyh when he testified about strong winds and snowdrifts in the first days of February? Was Blinov lying when he wrote about the impossibility of aerial reconnaissance over the upper course of the Auspea on February 21 due to bad weather? Even one of these events is more than enough to hide all the “traces of the members of the Dyatlov group” and two bodies not buried in the snow.

[PJ]

The first batch of five corpses, personal belongings, and a tent were delivered at the beginning of February 20. The most convenient time is the night of February 23, 1959.
The first five bodies and the tent were comfortably delivered by sleigh or car across the ice of Lozva (so that there were no questions about the thickness of the ice - the fishermen on Lozva drive all types of cars ), then Auspiа (the winter road along it was also on maps of the 1960s ); from it to the pass 1300 m of flat terrain. Sticking up a tent in an idiotic place and carrying bodies from persons like a group in this photo will take an hour.

Have you ever been in winter in mountains? At night? Do you really think that it is possible to deliver the 5 bodies, set up tent etc plus clean up all footprints just during one night? To make it during one night they will need minimum 50 people or more to do it, and still not sure if it is possible, specially to not leave any marks. Simply it is not possible that the place was set up and arranged.

And I look on all of the photographs and I do not see anything forget in it. The light, shadows, depth of field, perspective and proportions are all correct. Years ago I was doing lots of black/white analogue photography, including processing films myself and I do not see anything suspicious in the photos.

In the case files is that Krivonischenko stubble beard was up to 0.5cm so could be a bit shorter too (from photos looks like bit shorter, but it do not matter), 0.5cm beard growing time is 8-12 days(not as you suggest 13-15 days) so he could easily have stubble like that on the 2nd February.

[sparrow]

Most photos speak for themselves.  I was really curious about the picture of the footprints, especially the one with a boot print.  That boot print is fresh.  If it had been there for a while, it would have been covered with snow like the bodies were.

[Naufragia]

Most photos speak for themselves.  I was really curious about the picture of the footprints, especially the one with a boot print.  That boot print is fresh.  If it had been there for a while, it would have been covered with snow like the bodies were.

I'm also very curious about that particular footprint.

[WAB]

Most photos speak for themselves.  I was really curious about the picture of the footprints, especially the one with a boot print.  That boot print is fresh.  If it had been there for a while, it would have been covered with snow like the bodies were.

I've already written about this trail on this forum several times. It is undoubtedly fresh footprint from ski boot, no more than 2 days ago. It's superimposed on older trail in the form of elevated platform.
Back in 2010 we discussed about this footprint with Mikhail Sharavin (he had found the tent very first) and he said that it could well be that he and Boris Slobtsov left this footprint.
The arguments could be that:
1. The trail was found on February 28, and the first time they went there was on February 26,
2. The location of its detection coincides with the route of their movement to the tent on February 26,
3. The shape of the footprint is exactly the same as the sole of the shoe they wore. But no one determined the size, so it's not exactly their footprint.
4. In more time, the footprint would have been blurred by the wind. It was impossible cover it by snow there, Sharavin said that it was on bulge, so the old trail in the platform form was exposed during its formation.
It should be added that it could have been trail of someone else in the search, as they walked there on February 27, before photographing the trail, but no one recorded anything.

[WAB]

The first batch of five corpses, personal belongings, and a tent were delivered at the beginning of February 20. The most convenient time is the night of February 23, 1959.
The first five bodies and the tent were comfortably delivered by sleigh or car across the ice of Lozva (so that there were no questions about the thickness of the ice - the fishermen on Lozva drive all types of cars ), then Auspiа (the winter road along it was also on maps of the 1960s ); from it to the pass 1300 m of flat terrain. Sticking up a tent in an idiotic place and carrying bodies from persons like a group in this photo will take an hour.

Have you ever been in winter in mountains? At night? Do you really think that it is possible to deliver the 5 bodies, set up tent etc plus clean up all footprints just during one night? To make it during one night they will need minimum 50 people or more to do it, and still not sure if it is possible, specially to not leave any marks. Simply it is not possible that the place was set up and arranged.

And I look on all of the photographs and I do not see anything forget in it. The light, shadows, depth of field, perspective and proportions are all correct. Years ago I was doing lots of black/white analogue photography, including processing films myself and I do not see anything suspicious in the photos.

In the case files is that Krivonischenko stubble beard was up to 0.5cm so could be a bit shorter too (from photos looks like bit shorter, but it do not matter), 0.5cm beard growing time is 8-12 days(not as you suggest 13-15 days) so he could easily have stubble like that on the 2nd February.

Dear PJ !
You're trying to prove something to him in vain. Already many times on the Russian forums they told him the same thing. Even here he was objected with very similar words. As a result, there was no response. Then is it worth spending your strength? Although it is your right to decide what to do and what not to do.
For example, - objection to his "bluff facts".
For example, I can imagine photo Auspia-River`s section that is supposedly driven by car:
 


I wouldn't be surprised if he called this picture as "fake", too.
To this we can add only that there is snow depth from 1 meter and more.
As you can see, this statement is complete nonsense. They don't even ride snowmobiles there, because the conditions are very bad for them. Snowmobiles use the old Mansi road where they used drive deer until the late 80s ago. It goes north and is much longer than along the Auspia river.
The car can travel only along the Lozva River to Vizhay, or little higher to river head. It is about 70 km Auspia River downstream than the mouth. Further upstream of the Vizhay, River there are often ice (water over the river ice) and scouring, so even snowmobile cannot always drive up the river.
The road along the Lozva River appeared much later than the events with Dyatlov's group. In 1959 there were trails for Mansi deer on some sections, but it was not everywhere.
The road appeared later, when they started cutting down the forest above the river. In 1959, the upper parts of the forest were just at the level of the village "41st quarter".
There was never any road along the Auspia River. There is a wetland path less than 1 meter wide, and the "plain terrain" (c) is Gorojanin, from the Auspia River to the pass (1300 m) is the same path, but very winding, with height difference of more than 300 meters and slope is of 12 to 30 degrees. Therefore its "initial information" can only be called bluff. I know this place better than I know my own ranch.
Well, about all the "conspiracy fakes of the place and the tent," it's, as they say, no comment. He's a couch theorist, so there's no point in him talking about mountains. You've made all the arguments right, but they've been brought before you many times.
From here you can conclude for yourself how expedient it is to have conversation with such a "connoisseur".

PS. You want what is I find topographical map piece with all this furniture?

[WAB]

And this is a tombstone for all the tales about the tracks of the Dyatlov group near the tent. This is also a direct indication that the two bodies in the forest, barely covered by snow, were brought by the stage props the 2-3 days before they were found.

Reference received by E. Koskina, in the Ural Department of the weather service.

It was snowing 1-4, 6-13, 15, 19-22, 25; heavy snow - 1, 21, 24-25; snowstorms of all kinds-4, 12-16, 23 in February 1959.

The nearest weather station to the pass is located in Burmantovo. And although from it to the pass 66 km, all multi-day phenomena capture a large area.

Ну зачем вы и тут опять начинаете вешать лапшу на уши читателям? Вам русских форумов мало?

Why are you lying to readers here? You have already been clearly explained several times on Russian forums (https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=12503.0  https://pereval1959.kamrbb.ru/?x=read&razdel=38&tema=249#main_249 and other ) that you have absolutely no knowledge of what you are talking about, especially in the subtle properties of film photography and the ways of so-called "fake". They were people who know it very well. I didn't interfere in those conversations just because there were already quite a few qualified people there. People here know much less about the specifics of our discussions on this topic, so don't embarrass the country with your stupid fantasy. Anyway, I'm not going given`t it to you by starting expose your speculations.
 If you start with the weather that you started speculating on, it's very easy. To talk about the weather in Burmantovo and compare it with what is happening on the pass and near it is complete bluff. Burmantovo is more than 60 km from the pass and more than 725 meters lower in absolute height. So the weather is as different as the sky is from the ground.
Here is a sheet compare the weather at the pass and at Burmantovo in January 2015, when we were there and recorded the weather on site. Other data (from Burmantovo) are from official sources - from weather station.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u1jwnPdGupHhO4P08eSXtXcDc7eQmfJ8/view?usp=sharing

So all your argumentation here no is worth broken penny 

Вы еще ничего вменяемого не придумали по представленным фактам, но врать всегда готовы.

По фактам или по тому бреду, который вы уже довольно долго предлагаете на всех форумах, которые только попадаются? Нет уж, поищите себе кого-нибудь поглупее, что бы так попусту тратить время.

On all top forums devoted to Dyatlov's group , photomontage is forbidden.

That's crazy. Who banned him? Maybe you could give Putin`s order? Is that how you price yourself?  That's what they don't allow, it's blatant flood. In particular, yours, which you can't be offended by. These are the usual rules of the forums.

Including on the forum of the writer Buyanov.

Does "writer Buyanov" have his own forum? It is braking news! It is more like Galina Nikishina forum, and now other 2 administrators. It's very likely that you don't even know it. Buyanov is desperate minority there.
By the way, it is almost the only sane now forum in the Russian segment on this topic ... taina.li, unfortunately, degenerated into empty talk about nothing. Among other things, "thanks" to your efforts.

There will be nothing but stupidity and insults.

Well, you said it well. The important - thing is accurate self-criticism.

Researcher of the Dyatlov group Semiletov even deleted his forum Hibinafiles, when the topic of photomontage was discussed in a dozen sections.

Don't deceive the readers here again, and so brazenly. Peter deleted his forum for a completely different reason. And no one there has discussed much of your fiction. 2 or 3 people tried to explain something to you, and then realized who they are dealing with and left this unpromising activity.
You did not forget about say that this forum was Ukrainian and in Russian?
It preserved the archive of the forum, so anyone can easily find out. Do you want link to it? Local readers have only one obstacle - it is necessary to translate a lot, but if there is such a desire, they can easily do it with the help of Google-translator, for example.

Multi-day precipitation and snowstorms are a cyclone, and it captures not tens, but hundreds of kilometers.

Do you understand what you're being told? I am talking about fact that it is useless draw any conclusions about pass weather according to any weather stations, which are located even close to pass itself, but lower in height. It's so different there that it's almost impossible calculate. All the more so with only one station. All the more so according to the one on the east side. And you're trying demagogue about miles here. Would you like add the whiskey i taste n the bars of Ivdel? Like the fact that you're not happy with him either?

Did the deceive the witness Dryahlyh when he testified about strong winds and snowdrifts in the first days of February? Was Blinov lying when he wrote about the impossibility of aerial reconnaissance over the upper course of the Auspea on February 21 due to bad weather? Even one of these events is more than enough to hide all the “traces of the members of the Dyatlov group” and two bodies not buried in the snow.

Did you decide make yourself look like by criminal connoisseur in yet another nonsense?
You can see from what's written that you don't understand anything. Or knowingly distort the meaning of what's written. First put your thoughts in order, and then make complaint. I pity the time refute all this nonsense, but it's all elementary, but too long.
It's the same method of demagoguery as before. Because that's not what it says, and you're substituting concepts.
I'm not going discuss it with you because it's tantamount talking to nothing. I have plenty of other questions from more competent and sane interlocutors.

[PJ]

Dear PJ !
You're trying to prove something to him in vain. Already many times on the Russian forums they told him the same thing. Even here he was objected with very similar words. As a result, there was no response. Then is it worth spending your strength? Although it is your right to decide what to do and what not to do.

No, I do not even try to prove something to him, just expressed my thoughts about all this "faked photos". This is why I just wrote short post. I could write explanation to each of the photo why it is not forged but I do not want to waste my time 

[Gorojanin]

The first batch of five corpses, personal belongings, and a tent were delivered at the beginning of February 20. The most convenient time is the night of February 23, 1959.
The first five bodies and the tent were comfortably delivered by sleigh or car across the ice of Lozva (so that there were no questions about the thickness of the ice - the fishermen on Lozva drive all types of cars ), then Auspiа (the winter road along it was also on maps of the 1960s ); from it to the pass 1300 m of flat terrain. Sticking up a tent in an idiotic place and carrying bodies from persons like a group in this photo will take an hour.

Have you ever been in winter in mountains? At night? Do you really think that it is possible to deliver the 5 bodies, set up tent etc plus clean up all footprints just during one night? To make it during one night they will need minimum 50 people or more to do it, and still not sure if it is possible, specially to not leave any marks. Simply it is not possible that the place was set up and arranged.

And I look on all of the photographs and I do not see anything forget in it. The light, shadows, depth of field, perspective and proportions are all correct. Years ago I was doing lots of black/white analogue photography, including processing films myself and I do not see anything suspicious in the photos.

In the case files is that Krivonischenko stubble beard was up to 0.5cm so could be a bit shorter too (from photos looks like bit shorter, but it do not matter), 0.5cm beard growing time is 8-12 days(not as you suggest 13-15 days) so he could easily have stubble like that on the 2nd February.

I grew up in the Altay  mountains.

14 people - more than enough to hastily put up a tent, put things in, completely bury three corpses in the snow, throw two corpses in the snow. These left many traces in the snow. Participants in the search for the Dyatlov group testified about these traces. Photos of the tracks are in the criminal case.

“I see” and “I do not see” are not arguments.

In the picture, Krivonischenko is clearly shaved.



The hair on the upper lip and chin grows at a rate of 0.32 - 0.38 mm per day.

Where does Thibault have a centimeter stubble in the morgue and the pathologist’s act, which has been growing for a month?

This is what Thibault looked like on January 26, 1959.



This is what Thibault looked like on February 1, 1959.







This is how Thibault looked at the beginning of a three - week hike in the Altay Mountains on July 31-August 22, 1958, in which he did not shave. He's on the right.



This is how Thibault looked at the end of a three - week hike in the Altay Mountains on July 31-August 22, 1958, in which he did not shave.

[Gorojanin]

Most photos speak for themselves.  I was really curious about the picture of the footprints, especially the one with a boot print.  That boot print is fresh.  If it had been there for a while, it would have been covered with snow like the bodies were.

This is a photo of a trace in a criminal case file. But the Dyatlov`s, Kolmogorov`s , Slobodin`s bodies  were buried in the snow completely.

Traces near the tent could be left only by those who brought corpses and things on the eve of finding the tent.

[Gorojanin]

Most photos speak for themselves.  I was really curious about the picture of the footprints, especially the one with a boot print.  That boot print is fresh.  If it had been there for a while, it would have been covered with snow like the bodies were.

I've already written about this trail on this forum several times. It is undoubtedly fresh footprint from ski boot, no more than 2 days ago. It's superimposed on older trail in the form of elevated platform.
Back in 2010 we discussed about this footprint with Mikhail Sharavin (he had found the tent very first) and he said that it could well be that he and Boris Slobtsov left this footprint.
The arguments could be that:
1. The trail was found on February 28, and the first time they went there was on February 26,
2. The location of its detection coincides with the route of their movement to the tent on February 26,
3. The shape of the footprint is exactly the same as the sole of the shoe they wore. But no one determined the size, so it's not exactly their footprint.
4. In more time, the footprint would have been blurred by the wind. It was impossible cover it by snow there, Sharavin said that it was on bulge, so the old trail in the platform form was exposed during its formation.
It should be added that it could have been trail of someone else in the search, as they walked there on February 27, before photographing the trail, but no one recorded anything.

These are other traces on the pass, photographed by the participants in the search for the Dyatlov group.
Sharavin, Slobtsov, Maslennikov, Koptelov and other participants in the searches testified to the traces of the members of the Dyatlov group in the tent area.

It is impossible to bring bodies and things without leaving traces.

[Gorojanin]

And this is a tombstone for all the tales about the tracks of the Dyatlov group near the tent. This is also a direct indication that the two bodies in the forest, barely covered by snow, were brought by the stage props the 2-3 days before they were found.

Reference received by E. Koskina, in the Ural Department of the weather service.

It was snowing 1-4, 6-13, 15, 19-22, 25; heavy snow - 1, 21, 24-25; snowstorms of all kinds-4, 12-16, 23 in February 1959.

The nearest weather station to the pass is located in Burmantovo. And although from it to the pass 66 km, all multi-day phenomena capture a large area.

Ну зачем вы и тут опять начинаете вешать лапшу на уши читателям? Вам русских форумов мало?

Why are you lying to readers here? You have already been clearly explained several times on Russian forums (https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=12503.0  https://pereval1959.kamrbb.ru/?x=read&razdel=38&tema=249#main_249 and other ) that you have absolutely no knowledge of what you are talking about, especially in the subtle properties of film photography and the ways of so-called "fake". They were people who know it very well. I didn't interfere in those conversations just because there were already quite a few qualified people there. People here know much less about the specifics of our discussions on this topic, so don't embarrass the country with your stupid fantasy. Anyway, I'm not going given`t it to you by starting expose your speculations.
 If you start with the weather that you started speculating on, it's very easy. To talk about the weather in Burmantovo and compare it with what is happening on the pass and near it is complete bluff. Burmantovo is more than 60 km from the pass and more than 725 meters lower in absolute height. So the weather is as different as the sky is from the ground.
Here is a sheet compare the weather at the pass and at Burmantovo in January 2015, when we were there and recorded the weather on site. Other data (from Burmantovo) are from official sources - from weather station.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u1jwnPdGupHhO4P08eSXtXcDc7eQmfJ8/view?usp=sharing

So all your argumentation here no is worth broken penny 

Вы еще ничего вменяемого не придумали по представленным фактам, но врать всегда готовы.

По фактам или по тому бреду, который вы уже довольно долго предлагаете на всех форумах, которые только попадаются? Нет уж, поищите себе кого-нибудь поглупее, что бы так попусту тратить время.

On all top forums devoted to Dyatlov's group , photomontage is forbidden.

That's crazy. Who banned him? Maybe you could give Putin`s order? Is that how you price yourself?  That's what they don't allow, it's blatant flood. In particular, yours, which you can't be offended by. These are the usual rules of the forums.

Including on the forum of the writer Buyanov.

Does "writer Buyanov" have his own forum? It is braking news! It is more like Galina Nikishina forum, and now other 2 administrators. It's very likely that you don't even know it. Buyanov is desperate minority there.
By the way, it is almost the only sane now forum in the Russian segment on this topic ... taina.li, unfortunately, degenerated into empty talk about nothing. Among other things, "thanks" to your efforts.

There will be nothing but stupidity and insults.

Well, you said it well. The important - thing is accurate self-criticism.

Researcher of the Dyatlov group Semiletov even deleted his forum Hibinafiles, when the topic of photomontage was discussed in a dozen sections.

Don't deceive the readers here again, and so brazenly. Peter deleted his forum for a completely different reason. And no one there has discussed much of your fiction. 2 or 3 people tried to explain something to you, and then realized who they are dealing with and left this unpromising activity.
You did not forget about say that this forum was Ukrainian and in Russian?
It preserved the archive of the forum, so anyone can easily find out. Do you want link to it? Local readers have only one obstacle - it is necessary to translate a lot, but if there is such a desire, they can easily do it with the help of Google-translator, for example.

Multi-day precipitation and snowstorms are a cyclone, and it captures not tens, but hundreds of kilometers.

Do you understand what you're being told? I am talking about fact that it is useless draw any conclusions about pass weather according to any weather stations, which are located even close to pass itself, but lower in height. It's so different there that it's almost impossible calculate. All the more so with only one station. All the more so according to the one on the east side. And you're trying demagogue about miles here. Would you like add the whiskey i taste n the bars of Ivdel? Like the fact that you're not happy with him either?

Did the deceive the witness Dryahlyh when he testified about strong winds and snowdrifts in the first days of February? Was Blinov lying when he wrote about the impossibility of aerial reconnaissance over the upper course of the Auspea on February 21 due to bad weather? Even one of these events is more than enough to hide all the “traces of the members of the Dyatlov group” and two bodies not buried in the snow.

Did you decide make yourself look like by criminal connoisseur in yet another nonsense?
You can see from what's written that you don't understand anything. Or knowingly distort the meaning of what's written. First put your thoughts in order, and then make complaint. I pity the time refute all this nonsense, but it's all elementary, but too long.
It's the same method of demagoguery as before. Because that's not what it says, and you're substituting concepts.
I'm not going discuss it with you because it's tantamount talking to nothing. I have plenty of other questions from more competent and sane interlocutors.

Я ничего не увидел, кроме флуда.
Форум обсуждает перевал Дятлова или мою персону?
I saw nothing but flood.
This forum discusses any of the dyatlov pass incident or my persona?

***

Это форум отца-основателя Буянова.
This is the forum of the founding father Buyanov.

https://pereval1959.kamrbb.ru/?x=read&razdel=38&tema=249&all=1

[Jean Daniel Reuss]

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All photos with members of Dyatlov's group after January 26 are forged. Except for a few photos of Thibault, who was actually photographed.
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Many thanks Gorojanin for your explanations. I now understand your reconstitution of the DPI.

Were all photos after January 26 were forged ? It is possible because the photographic forgery is a long and meticulous work, but which is relatively easy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union


 But that is a question of no importance.


 Because the existence of the photomontages does not prove that all events after January 26 are fake.


The purpose of these photomontages were NOT to cover up the traces of a crime (intentional destruction of people for the sake of hiding something),

Most likely, those who developed the negatives entrusted to them made a serious mistake.

Something like a developer that is too old and out of order, a boisterous child who arrives unexpectedly and turns on the light at the wrong time, confusion between developer and fixer.......etc.       This kind of mistake is not exceptional precisely when one is in a hurry!

The film are damaged and obviously there is no possibility to start again the shootings.

But from the wreckage that remains, it is possible to repair the fault, to redo suitable and presentable photos.
Without doing this laboratory work consisting of extensive retouching, the final images would have been unusable.

The photos have been retouched or reconstructed NOT to mislead those who use them, but on the contrary to improve the readability and quality of the final images.

The result is good and the errors in perspective or contrast are small because the majority of those who look at the retouched result do not notice them

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False events were recorded in all diaries after January 26.
All events after January 26 are fake.
The group was taken on a passing track from Vishay on January 26 to the place of final stay and death. Dubinina was the first to be killed on January 30. Krivonishchenko was killed on February 8-10. The others were killed between these dates. Except for Thibault, who was killed between the first days of March and the beginning of April.

The second group of bodies was delivered in the period from the beginning to the middle of April.
The first batch of five corpses, personal belongings, and a tent were delivered at the beginning of February 20. The most convenient time is the night of February 23, 1959.
The first five bodies and the tent were comfortably delivered by sleigh or car across the ice of Lozva (so that there were no questions about the thickness of the ice -then Auspi? (the winter road along it was also on maps of the 1960s ); from it to the pass 1300 m of flat terrain. Sticking up a tent in an idiotic place and carrying bodies from persons like a group in this photo will take an hour.
There are 13 people here. The fourteenth person takes photos. Members of Dyatlov's group are inserted.

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Have you ever been in winter in mountains? At night? Do you really think that it is possible to deliver the 5 bodies, set up tent etc plus clean up all footprints just during one night? To make it during one night they will need minimum 50 people or more to do it, and still not sure if it is possible, specially to not leave any marks. Simply it is not possible that the place was set up and arranged.
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Givent that the hikers were supposed to be killed at North-2, transportation from North-2 to the tent, cedar, or den is theoretically feasible since the time period available was about 20 days (approximately February 1-20, 1959).

On condition that there were professional teams trained to work hard in bad weather at -25°C, which may exist in Siberia.

Then the construction of the staging, the deletion of the signs in the snow are difficult because good observers, such as the Mansis, could have noticed the slightest anomaly.

From Vizhay to North-2, through the Lozva valley, the logistics to feed this numerous work teams were probably done by truck.

There are other arguments against this hypothesis of the "hostages killed at North-2".

Yuri Yudin's mentality, which would then be exceptionally bizarre, the high number of accomplices, the writing of diaries under duress, the guarding and management of prisoners, etc., are all factors that could lead to the death penalty.

And finally WHO  ?    -   WHY ?      (All these huge complications).

 

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

It is still simpler to let the 9 hikers make the effort to go voluntarily to the place of their death (Kholat Syakhl, cedar,den) using their own legs.
than to be obliged to carry their corpses on sleds in deep snow

So I have a preference for my own reconstitution (which I call my hypothesis N° 2) which is more straightforward and and above all which takes into account all the proven information provided by Teddy on the dyatlovpass.com website. Here are some ideas:

  • The attackers came from the Vizhay region, maybe even simply from settlement 41.
  • The attackers were ex-zeks who had a lot of reasons to hate the elite of communist builders.
  • The attackers left North-2 on the morning of January 31, 1959 to catch the hikers.
  • On the evening of January 31 Thibeaux-Brignolles was able to photograph the lead pursuer.

The KGB realized too late that they had been fooled by the attackers who had succeeded to defeat the hikers by hitting them with blunt objects.

The ex-zeks were a cause of concern for Khrushchev (1953-1964) who for reasons of diplomacy with satellite countries did not want to divulge the DPI. Thus Khrushchev ordered the replacement of Vladimir Korotaev by Lev Ivanov on 17 March 1959.

Lev Ivanov cleverly misled the public by suggesting false possibilities.

In particular, Lev Ivanov did NOT give any informations - which would have been important - about the people living in Vizhay and Settlement 41, nor about the people passing through North-2.

I plan to complete and clarify (slowly because it is long to write) this argumentation in the Topic: "Altercation on the pass ---> Altercation on the pass".

[Gorojanin]

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All photos with members of Dyatlov's group after January 26 are forged. Except for a few photos of Thibault, who was actually photographed.
...............................................

Many thanks Gorojanin for your explanations. I now understand your reconstitution of the DPI.

Were all photos after January 26 were forged ? It is possible because the photographic forgery is a long and meticulous work, but which is relatively easy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union


 But that is a question of no importance.


 Because the existence of the photomontages does not prove that all events after January 26 are fake.


The purpose of these photomontages were NOT to cover up the traces of a crime (intentional destruction of people for the sake of hiding something),

Most likely, those who developed the negatives entrusted to them made a serious mistake.

Something like a developer that is too old and out of order, a boisterous child who arrives unexpectedly and turns on the light at the wrong time, confusion between developer and fixer.......etc.       This kind of mistake is not exceptional precisely when one is in a hurry!

The film are damaged and obviously there is no possibility to start again the shootings.

But from the wreckage that remains, it is possible to repair the fault, to redo suitable and presentable photos.
Without doing this laboratory work consisting of extensive retouching, the final images would have been unusable.

The photos have been retouched or reconstructed NOT to mislead those who use them, but on the contrary to improve the readability and quality of the final images.

The result is good and the errors in perspective or contrast are small because the majority of those who look at the retouched result do not notice them

The photo montage is primitive, hastily made, with childish mistakes.
In the 19th century, they made a better photo montage.
Photomontage of the so-called filming of the members of the Dyatlov group is available to the amateur at home or in any room that has water and electricity.

.............................................
Have you ever been in winter in mountains? At night? Do you really think that it is possible to deliver the 5 bodies, set up tent etc plus clean up all footprints just during one night? To make it during one night they will need minimum 50 people or more to do it, and still not sure if it is possible, specially to not leave any marks. Simply it is not possible that the place was set up and arranged.
..........................................

Givent that the hikers were supposed to be killed at North-2, transportation from North-2 to the tent, cedar, or den is theoretically feasible since the time period available was about 20 days (approximately February 1-20, 1959).

On condition that there were professional teams trained to work hard in bad weather at -25°C, which may exist in Siberia.

Then the construction of the staging, the deletion of the signs in the snow are difficult because good observers, such as the Mansis, could have noticed the slightest anomaly.

From Vizhay to North-2, through the Lozva valley, the logistics to feed this numerous work teams were probably done by truck.

There are other arguments against this hypothesis of the "hostages killed at North-2".

Yuri Yudin's mentality, which would then be exceptionally bizarre, the high number of accomplices, the writing of diaries under duress, the guarding and management of prisoners, etc., are all factors that could lead to the death penalty.

I grew up in the Altay  mountains. And now I live in the flat Altay, in Barnaul. Hiking, skiing, and mountains are familiar from childhood (1960's). Therefore, it is funny to read experts in Hiking, skiing and mountains from places where there is no snow.


Until February 18, sending a truck or sleigh is not possible. The tent of the Sogrin group, used as the main stage props, could be received only on February 18.

The journey will take a maximum of two days.

The task can easily be done by 10-15 people. No special teams needed. Any resident of Siberia or the Northern Urals will cope with this. In Barnaul every winter there are always multi-day periods with temperatures below -30. No service is shutting down, utilities, movers, outdoor cops continue to work. 

Every winter there are some days with a temperature of -40. It's really hard to travel and work outside on these days.

On February 22-24, at the Burmantovo weather station, 66 kilometers from the pass, the average temperature was 13.5; 19.3; 17.2 degrees. These are comfortable conditions for residents of Siberia and the Northern Urals.

And finally WHO  ?    -   WHY ?      (All these huge complications).

 

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

It is still simpler to let the 9 hikers make the effort to go voluntarily to the place of their death (Kholat Syakhl, cedar,den) using their own legs.
than to be obliged to carry their corpses on sleds in deep snow

So I have a preference for my own reconstitution (which I call my hypothesis N° 2) which is more straightforward and and above all which takes into account all the proven information provided by Teddy on the dyatlovpass.com website. Here are some ideas:

  • The attackers came from the Vizhay region, maybe even simply from settlement 41.
  • The attackers were ex-zeks who had a lot of reasons to hate the elite of communist builders.
  • The attackers left North-2 on the morning of January 31, 1959 to catch the hikers.
  • On the evening of January 31 Thibeaux-Brignolles was able to photograph the lead pursuer.

The KGB realized too late that they had been fooled by the attackers who had succeeded to defeat the hikers by hitting them with blunt objects.

The ex-zeks were a cause of concern for Khrushchev (1953-1964) who for reasons of diplomacy with satellite countries did not want to divulge the DPI. Thus Khrushchev ordered the replacement of Vladimir Korotaev by Lev Ivanov on 17 March 1959.

Lev Ivanov cleverly misled the public by suggesting false possibilities.

In particular, Lev Ivanov did NOT give any informations - which would have been important - about the people living in Vizhay and Settlement 41, nor about the people passing through North-2.

I plan to complete and clarify (slowly because it is long to write) this argumentation in the Topic: "Altercation on the pass ---> Altercation on the pass".

Filming in Settlement 41 and North-2 is completely falsified. Events in the diaries too. This means that the group of Dyatlov was taken away from Vizhay.

[PJ]

Therefore, it is funny to read experts in Hiking, skiing and mountains from places where there is no snow.

Gorojanin, if this is about me, just want to let you know that I got a chance to touch snow in my life. I was in Altay Mounatins too. Twice. Climbed there Belukha, 20 years of October(Koron Altai), Mashey-Bashi and Aktru(btw, Altai are the best and most beautiful mountains in my opinion), hiked in early spring in North Ural and did some winter climbing in Caucasus. Few other winter trips to far north in other countries. So I know a bit about hiking and snow. Plus I take part in few rescue actions so I know how it is to transport causalities/bodies(how hard it is).

The task can easily be done by 10-15 people. No special teams needed. Any resident of Siberia or the Northern Urals will cope with this. In Barnaul every winter there are always multi-day periods with temperatures below -30. No service is shutting down, utilities, movers, outdoor cops continue to work.
Every winter there are some days with a temperature of -40. It's really hard to travel and work outside on these days.
On February 22-24, at the Burmantovo weather station, 66 kilometers from the pass, the average temperature was 13.5; 19.3; 17.2 degrees. These are comfortable conditions for residents of Siberia and the Northern Urals.

I do not say that people living there are not used to harsh winter conditions. The problem is that it is not possible to set everything during one night(you said that all was arranges during one night) by a group of 10-15 people. I explain you why:
- The nearest possible place to get by truck was 20km from the scene. So it mean all had to be move by people on that distance. To move all hiking equipment they need 9 people(same number as Diatlov Group) plus to move 5 dead bodies - the minimum is 2 people per body so it makes 10. To make it during one night, in winter and set up everything, they had to move very fast so much more people needed to split the load, minimum double so about 40 people for the action. Ask anyone that have some experience in МЧС how many people is needed for actions like that.

And there is one, very weak point in all this story. Why do you think that they set it up everything after 18th February? The deadline for return of the Dyatlov Group was 12th February so if someone killed them, all should be done by that date because the Search and Rescues could start at any day after the 12th. Waiting till 18th or later will be very risky and with huge chance to be spotted with all the gear and bodies... only some idiots will wait that long.

The photo montage is primitive, hastily made, with childish mistakes.
In the 19th century, they made a better photo montage.
Photomontage of the so-called filming of the members of the Dyatlov group is available to the amateur at home or in any room that has water and electricity.

There is no single thing suggesting that any of the photo is a montage. They looks as any photos from that times

And about faked diaries - are they still exist? It is easy to check how they was written and by who. It is relatively easy expertise.

[Gorojanin]

I do not say that people living there are not used to harsh winter conditions. The problem is that it is not possible to set everything during one night(you said that all was arranges during one night) by a group of 10-15 people. I explain you why:
- The nearest possible place to get by truck was 20km from the scene. So it mean all had to be move by people on that distance. To move all hiking equipment they need 9 people(same number as Diatlov Group) plus to move 5 dead bodies - the minimum is 2 people per body so it makes 10. To make it during one night, in winter and set up everything, they had to move very fast so much more people needed to split the load, minimum double so about 40 people for the action. Ask anyone that have some experience in МЧС how many people is needed for actions like that.

And there is one, very weak point in all this story. Why do you think that they set it up everything after 18th February? The deadline for return of the Dyatlov Group was 12th February so if someone killed them, all should be done by that date because the Search and Rescues could start at any day after the 12th. Waiting till 18th or later will be very risky and with huge chance to be spotted with all the gear and bodies... only some idiots will wait that long.

No. The winter road along the Auspiya river was still on maps in the 1960s. It is available if not for motor transport, then for a horse cart and any Northern sleigh. From Auspiya to the pass 1300 m of flat terrain. This path is accessible on foot, with corpses and things on hand sleds.



On February 18, the tent of the Sogrin group, available for stage props, became available.

Waiting till 18th or later will be very risky and with huge chance to be spotted with all the gear and bodies... only some idiots will wait that long.

Nobody bothered the chances of being noticed. They were looking for tourists or corpses of tourists, not motor vehicles or sleighs with horses.

The photo montage is primitive, hastily made, with childish mistakes.
In the 19th century, they made a better photo montage.
Photomontage of the so-called filming of the members of the Dyatlov group is available to the amateur at home or in any room that has water and electricity.

There is no single thing suggesting that any of the photo is a montage. They looks as any photos from that times

And about faked diaries - are they still exist? It is easy to check how they was written and by who. It is relatively easy expertise.

On the set photos of members of the Dyatlov group, the photo montage is continuous, and solid errors. No one conducted examinations on the authenticity of a single photograph of members of the Dyatlov group. Not even one media can even talk about such an examination.

Diaries were supplemented by members of the Dyatlov group in their handwriting under duress.

[sparrow]

How do you know?

[Gorojanin]

How do you know?

From facts, documents, photos.

[PJ]

No. The winter road along the Auspiya river was still on maps in the 1960s. It is available if not for motor transport, then for a horse cart and any Northern sleigh. From Auspiya to the pass 1300 m of flat terrain. This path is accessible on foot, with corpses and things on hand sleds.

There could be everything on the map. The fact is that during the search they set up Search Camp high in the Auspiya river valley, close to the place where Dyatlov Group left deposit. I didn't found any records saying that the Search Group go there by any vehicle or sledges to the camp. All records say that supply was delivered by helicopters or people go down on skies. Even when one person got sick they waited for helicopter one day(weather wasn't good to fly). So all this facts mean there was no easy access to the Auspiya river. The Search Group could use any vehicle able to travel in snow, only if there will be access to that place but looks like it was not possible at all. I think that the place accessible by vehicle was the place where Auspiya river connect with Lozva river(around the place where Dyatlov Group camped on 29th January). From this place still 20km to the scene.

Nobody bothered the chances of being noticed. They were looking for tourists or corpses of tourists, not motor vehicles or sleighs with horses

This is very naive. Going up to the mountains with full load, in isolated place, where everyone see everything and remember each passing human and vehicle. Do you think that nobody will ask them for what are there going there? with what? And finally setting camp, moving around dead bodies - if someone will spot them what will they say? Doing all this action after 12th February will be very risky. Much easier will be hide the equipment and gear somewhere away, in place where nobody will be looking for them.

Diaries were supplemented by members of the Dyatlov group in their handwriting under duress.

Graphologist easily will find out that the diaries were written under duress. The handwriting is different depends of conditions(tired/relaxed/duress/standing/sitting/lie down/etc...) plus the style/words will be different than usually. 

[Gorojanin]

There could be everything on the map. The fact is that during the search they set up Search Camp high in the Auspiya river valley, close to the place where Dyatlov Group left deposit. I didn't found any records saying that the Search Group go there by any vehicle or sledges to the camp. All records say that supply was delivered by helicopters or people go down on skies. Even when one person got sick they waited for helicopter one day(weather wasn't good to fly). So all this facts mean there was no easy access to the Auspiya river. The Search Group could use any vehicle able to travel in snow, only if there will be access to that place but looks like it was not possible at all. I think that the place accessible by vehicle was the place where Auspiya river connect with Lozva river(around the place where Dyatlov Group camped on 29th January). From this place still 20km to the scene.

Search teams were instructed to inspect their parts of the territory where they were delivered by helicopter. They did not need to use winter roads.

This is very naive. Going up to the mountains with full load, in isolated place, where everyone see everything and remember each passing human and vehicle. Do you think that nobody will ask them for what are there going there? with what? And finally setting camp, moving around dead bodies - if someone will spot them what will they say? Doing all this action after 12th February will be very risky. Much easier will be hide the equipment and gear somewhere away, in place where nobody will be looking for them.

Aerial reconnaissance on February 21 ended in failure due to bad weather. The first organized search group from the Ural Polytechnic Institute was delivered by helicopter to mount Otorten only on February 23. Military groups joined on February 25-26. 
Even if the trip lasts more than a day, the problem is solved by the second driver of the car or the second charioteer.

Graphologist easily will find out that the diaries were written under duress. The handwriting is different depends of conditions(tired/relaxed/duress/standing/sitting/lie down/etc...) plus the style/words will be different than usually.

Make such an examination. Keeping in mind that there are only two handwritten diaries.

[PJ]

Search teams were instructed to inspect their parts of the territory where they were delivered by helicopter. They did not need to use winter roads.

Only at the first stage of the search, after finding the tent they set up big Search Camp in Auspiya river valley, if that will be possible they will use vehicle to access that place to supply everything but they use only helicopters, all supplies was dropped on the pass and have to be taken down by people. Much easier will be making delivery by vehicles. Looks like was not possible at all.

Aerial reconnaissance on February 21 ended in failure due to bad weather. The first organized search group from the Ural Polytechnic Institute was delivered by helicopter to mount Otorten only on February 23. Military groups joined on February 25-26. 
Even if the trip lasts more than a day, the problem is solved by the second driver of the car or the second charioteer.

What if the search will start earlier? Just few days after missing deadline?

Make such an examination. Keeping in mind that there are only two handwritten diaries.

I do not have any problems with the diaries, for me they are not fake.
You are making claims that all is fake there so you could proof it, very easy way for you to do it. Two handwritten diaries is enough evidence for making examination like that, even one will be enough.

[Gorojanin]

Search teams were instructed to inspect their parts of the territory where they were delivered by helicopter. They did not need to use winter roads.

Only at the first stage of the search, after finding the tent they set up big Search Camp in Auspiya river valley, if that will be possible they will use vehicle to access that place to supply everything but they use only helicopters, all supplies was dropped on the pass and have to be taken down by people. Much easier will be making delivery by vehicles. Looks like was not possible at all.

Aerial reconnaissance on February 21 ended in failure due to bad weather. The first organized search group from the Ural Polytechnic Institute was delivered by helicopter to mount Otorten only on February 23. Military groups joined on February 25-26. 
Even if the trip lasts more than a day, the problem is solved by the second driver of the car or the second charioteer.

What if the search will start earlier? Just few days after missing deadline?

The curator of the search works, an accomplice of the Creator, will not allow the search to begin at a time when what should be found is not ready, and will not conduct the search in a way that will open what should not be opened. He will do this for the same reason that the curator in law enforcement, the Creator's accomplice, Prosecutor Ivanov will not investigate the circumstances that may open the play.

This is the General rule of such productions. Let me quote:

Everything is standard, as in all perfomances. In January 2009, hundreds of search engines searched for “Mi-171 passengers” everywhere except Chorny mountain, while chopped people and wreckage were laid out there . Thousands of employees of the Ministry of Emergencies, the Ministry of Internal Affairs took part in the search for “An-2 passengers” near Serov in 2012, when a small group brought and burned wreckage and bones two steps from the airfield ...

Make such an examination. Keeping in mind that there are only two handwritten diaries.

I do not have any problems with the diaries, for me they are not fake.
You are making claims that all is fake there so you could proof it, very easy way for you to do it. Two handwritten diaries is enough evidence for making examination like that, even one will be enough.

Kolmogorova`s handwritten diary was undoubtedly written by  Kolmogorova wrote. Dubinina's handwritten diary was undoubtedly written by Dubinina. This is clear when comparing the handwriting of the diaries with the handwriting of other texts written by Kolmogorova and Dubinina.

To study the process of writing diaries under duress, as well as to study the forgery of the campaign, it is impossible for researchers of the Dyatlov group, departments and mass media. This is forbidden for all researchers of the Dyatlov group, just as it is forbidden to study fake photos.

[PJ]

The curator of the search works, an accomplice of the Creator, will not allow the search to begin at a time when what should be found is not ready, and will not conduct the search in a way that will open what should not be opened. He will do this for the same reason that the curator in law enforcement, the Creator's accomplice, Prosecutor Ivanov will not investigate the circumstances that may open the play.

This is the General rule of such productions. Let me quote:

Everything is standard, as in all perfomances. In January 2009, hundreds of search engines searched for “Mi-171 passengers” everywhere except Chorny mountain, while chopped people and wreckage were laid out there . Thousands of employees of the Ministry of Emergencies, the Ministry of Internal Affairs took part in the search for “An-2 passengers” near Servo in 2012, when a small group brought and burned wreckage and bones two steps from the airfield ...

And you manipulating with facts again:
The Mi-171 crash in Altai: It was illegal trip of VIPs to hunt in protected area on protected animals, the flight plan never said anything that they will be in that region so this is why nobody search for them there. The pilots not inform about position for the same reason as they was doing illegal things. And yeah, this crash was a huge scandal but only because some prominent VIP was hunting on protected animals.
The An-2 in Servo: They took off without permission, nobody knows where the aircraft was because pilot not keep communication, they find out about the crash hours after take off so the plane could be everywhere. The An-2 was not fitted with EPIRB so never sent any distress signal about impact. The aircraft was found accidentally by hunters in dense forest and boggy land 8km from Serov months after the crash. They couldn't find it earlier because nobody knows where it could be, the search operation cover more than one million square kilometers of terrain - that's a lot.. and it is mostly terrain covered by forest so it was like looking for a needle in a haystack.
Finding an aircraft that crashed and not sent any proximity position is very hard.

Kolmogorova`s handwritten diary was undoubtedly written by  Kolmogorova wrote. Dubinina's handwritten diary was undoubtedly written by Dubinina. This is clear when comparing the handwriting of the diaries with the handwriting of other texts written by Kolmogorova and Dubinina.

To study the process of writing diaries under duress, as well as to study the forgery of the campaign, it is impossible for researchers of the Dyatlov group, departments and mass media. This is forbidden for all researchers of the Dyatlov group, just as it is forbidden to study fake photos.

why it is impossible? Who prohibited it?

[Gorojanin]

The curator of the search works, an accomplice of the Creator, will not allow the search to begin at a time when what should be found is not ready, and will not conduct the search in a way that will open what should not be opened. He will do this for the same reason that the curator in law enforcement, the Creator's accomplice, Prosecutor Ivanov will not investigate the circumstances that may open the play.

This is the General rule of such productions. Let me quote:

Everything is standard, as in all perfomances. In January 2009, hundreds of search engines searched for “Mi-171 passengers” everywhere except Chorny mountain, while chopped people and wreckage were laid out there . Thousands of employees of the Ministry of Emergencies, the Ministry of Internal Affairs took part in the search for “An-2 passengers” near Servo in 2012, when a small group brought and burned wreckage and bones two steps from the airfield ...

And you manipulating with facts again:
The Mi-171 crash in Altai: It was illegal trip of VIPs to hunt in protected area on protected animals, the flight plan never said anything that they will be in that region so this is why nobody search for them there. The pilots not inform about position for the same reason as they was doing illegal things. And yeah, this crash was a huge scandal but only because some prominent VIP was hunting on protected animals.
The An-2 in Servo: They took off without permission, nobody knows where the aircraft was because pilot not keep communication, they find out about the crash hours after take off so the plane could be everywhere. The An-2 was not fitted with EPIRB so never sent any distress signal about impact. The aircraft was found accidentally by hunters in dense forest and boggy land 8km from Serov months after the crash. They couldn't find it earlier because nobody knows where it could be, the search operation cover more than one million square kilometers of terrain - that's a lot.. and it is mostly terrain covered by forest so it was like looking for a needle in a haystack.
Finding an aircraft that crashed and not sent any proximity position is very hard.

Why is there no blood on the bodies, on the body parts, on the cockpit instruments where the pilot was allegedly torn in half?
https://gorojanin-iz-b.livejournal.com/8443.html
https://gorojanin-iz-b.livejournal.com/8574.html
https://gorojanin-iz-b.livejournal.com/8738.html

Where does the smell of burning come from a year after the fire?
Why were people burned to the bone, but the branches, the insulation of the wires, the gold chain among the bones remained intact?
https://gorojanin-iz-b.livejournal.com/66778.html

Kolmogorova`s handwritten diary was undoubtedly written by  Kolmogorova wrote. Dubinina's handwritten diary was undoubtedly written by Dubinina. This is clear when comparing the handwriting of the diaries with the handwriting of other texts written by Kolmogorova and Dubinina.

To study the process of writing diaries under duress, as well as to study the forgery of the campaign, it is impossible for researchers of the Dyatlov group, departments and mass media. This is forbidden for all researchers of the Dyatlov group, just as it is forbidden to study fake photos.

why it is impossible? Who prohibited it?

Because these are facts. There is not a single word about falsification of photographs, writing diaries under duress, or falsification of a campaign by any researcher, writer, journalist, or justice authority. There is no examination of the authenticity of photographs or writing diary entries of their own free will. Not a single word is said about the necessity, desirability of such an examination.

[Morski]

Because these are facts. There is not a single word about falsification of photographs, writing diaries under duress, or falsification of a campaign by any researcher, writer, journalist, or justice authority. There is no examination of the authenticity of photographs or writing diary entries of their own free will. Not a single word is said about the necessity, desirability of such an examination.
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More like because it is so ridiculous, that it does not even fit for a theory. Don`t you think, that since you are the only one imagining forgery and falsifications, the problem is in you? There are a lot of absurd speculations about the Pass, but yours simply goes beyond. Sorry, but a murderous Yeti piloting a fire orb sounds better.