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July 31, 2025, 05:54:37 PM
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ahabmyth


There dosn't seem any doubt about it that in the atrocious weather which may have included a Katabatic squall an intense wind that pushes things downwards and members of the group placing ever more tension on the guy ropes that the tent was eventually torn to pieces. Igors requests for a new tent fell on deaf ears with the tent repeatedly being stitched up. It would have been from these "repairs" more than likely that the first tears would have gradually succumbed to rot that although maybe hard to see were still groaning every time the tent was erected and stretched to capacity. Just like repairs made to clothing etc by cutting cloth then doubling over the edges to make a hem and alleviate undue pressure on the edges so it dosnt fray the same should have been done to the tent, but was it. And again by the well meaning Igor a heater/cooker/warmer was invented to make live more comfortable for hikers in tents. However just like wood burners in ones homes they can become a death-trap if not installed correctly and I am suspicious as to the correctness of the placing that Igor decided on for tents. I think its correct to say that the stove was not assembled to use on this particular night adding a bit of suspicion as if we assume that some of the hikers were asked to fetch wood then why wasnt the stove assembled ready for their return. A measly log that was brought with them may have provided a small heat source, better than nothing and practically anything that would burn too.
Alas Igors recollection and navigation fault of the distance to the woods contributed to the disaster. "Should the blame be passed on to Igor in his enthusiasm and love of the sport", we may never know.
 
« Last Edit: August 03, 2025, 01:53:40 AM by ahabmyth »
 

August 02, 2025, 06:46:12 AM
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GlennM


It is hard to accept this degree of windblown damage to the tent when the contents were found intact within the tent.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2025, 11:37:29 AM by GlennM »
We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

August 02, 2025, 05:47:05 PM
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ahabmyth


Slobodin didn't take any photos with one boot,

How do you take a photo with a boot ???.
 

August 03, 2025, 02:40:07 AM
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SURI


Slobodin didn't take any photos with one boot,

How do you take a photo with a boot ???.

This question is unnecessary, I think the meaning of the sentence can be understood anyway. This was a reaction to the confusion of Slobodin's and Krivonischenko's names. It is understandable that if Slobodin had one boot on his foot at the time of the incident, then of course, due to the urgency of the situation, he could not carry out other activities in the tent, otherwise he would have put on the other boot. He only managed to voluntarily go out in front of the tent.
 

August 11, 2025, 10:44:41 PM
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ahabmyth


The exact location of the tent -- it was where Teddy said it was, at the "Cedar".
After finding a tin-can with a metal detector what other explanation could there be, ie  a random person came to this specific cedar and gulped down its contents and buried the can near the cedar back in 59 I think not. There can be only one explanation the Dyatlov group camped there. Now it would be impossible to know what exactly was in the tins that were found but if you think that they could have held pork sausages or soup or even pineapple it would be a minor miracle that after 60 odd years there would be anything left at all considering the acidic nature of pineapple so could have been something neutral like say condensed milk which may have been a preservative. But this surely isnt the point .The point is of all the random trees in this virtual impenetrable forest that this single cedar tree along with the other one should be the single most important contributing factor in this disaster. So when implying that there could be another explanation I see no logic. The hikers were there the fire was there the bits of clothing were there, a tin can was there.I rest my case.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2025, 04:03:09 PM by ahabmyth »
 

August 12, 2025, 02:14:47 AM
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Axelrod


Maybe the cans remained from searchers.



Yyri Amramovich Sakhnin recolelects:

– Grigoriev, the correspondent was there, remember?

► Probably… I don't even remember…

– He told us about your group, how you sang songs..

► You have to understand! Young people arrived for such and such… work. And so that everyone would close themselves off, and only think about this topic: now we'll find a corpse, and: ah-ah – that didn't happen. Absolutely healthy young people arrived. Absolutely healthy young people. Yes, there is such a task and we need to try to solve it. Well – we solve it – and what? Will he hang himself now? No? Then live! and so they lived as if they were on a regular hike, just as they lived in alpine camps: a completely normal, natural life. And they sang songs, and ate all those canned pineapples before arriving of Ortyukov, which he had been counting on so much!

Ortyukov arrived a day or two after us. True, he had arrived several times before that, that is, he did not arrive as if he were arriving to a new place.
 

August 12, 2025, 02:30:36 PM
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Axelrod


Sakhnin says that they didn't have canned dairy products, but canned pineapples.
It's possible that Tedora misidentified these cans.
If these were canned pineapples, then it's unclear how to find the manufacturer.
PINEAPPLES WERE NOT GROWED OR CANNED IN THE SOVIET UNION.

« Last Edit: August 13, 2025, 08:16:46 AM by Teddy »
 

August 13, 2025, 07:30:06 AM
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GlennM


It does not move the needle toward truth when Photoshopped images are posted in order to make a point. The recently posted images are that sort. I think the forum moderator would be within his rights to insist that retouched images are identified as such.

The facts are diffucult enough.
We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

August 13, 2025, 07:55:14 AM
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OLD JEDI 72


It does not move the needle toward truth when Photoshopped images are posted in order to make a point. The recently posted images are that sort. I think the forum moderator would be within his rights to insist that retouched images are identified as such.

The facts are diffucult enough.

Which photos are you referring to? And wouldn't it be obvious anyway?
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August 13, 2025, 07:58:41 AM
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Which photos are you referring to? And wouldn't it be obvious anyway?

I deleted them. GlennM is right.

I also remember publishing a photo with a yeti in the picture on April's Fool's Day, but the photo I deleted crossed the line.
 

August 13, 2025, 08:22:31 AM
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Teddy

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I found cans from the searchers and one can that was not left by the searchers and they are all identified by the stamps on the lid.

https://dyatlovpass.com/expedition-2022#tincans

Axelrod, you of all people, I thought you are following the case, why are you talking about pineapples?
I went to meet with the Director of the plant that manufactured the can I found, I have a letter that certifies what I found, I found the needle, you are crushing me talking nonsense.

It sounds like it is all a joke for you.


« Last Edit: August 13, 2025, 08:34:52 AM by Teddy »
 

August 13, 2025, 09:28:58 AM
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Teddy

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Read this: https://dyatlovpass.com/expedition-2023#10

  • The number "8" on the can found under the cedar is flipped vertically, I knew this but didn't know the significance. The can we found in 2023 that belongs to the searchers has "8" that is different font, and the circles are equal i.e. flipping doesn't make difference. Flipping "8" back in the days was not considered a mistake, the workers flipped even "6" making it a "9" - this was something that was frowned upon, but no one watched for "8". The can I found in 2022 under the Cedar is not from condensed milk but cream. Lyubinskiy Molochnokonservnyy Kombinat issued a document testifying to this.
     
  • The CEO of the enterprise Gennadiy Valter said that in 1959 the food supplies were still following wartime orders and condensed milk was sent to the GOST reserve (military reserve) and distributed from there to everyone that was given free food supplies from the government. Vladimir Askinadzi who was on the Pass Apr 25-May 5 said that they received their food supplies from the army warehouse in Ivdel.
     
  • Both Gennadiy Valter and Vladimir Askinadzi noticed that the two cans are opened in a different way. The one from under the cedar that was allegedly discarded by the Dyatlov group was opened with a knife, the way students opened for individual consumption. Vladimir Askinadzi said they always opened cans with an ax, the way the condensed milk found in the May searchers camp is opened (Askinadzi pointed out this photo). The can from cream found under the cedar was opened with a knife.
 

August 13, 2025, 10:13:18 AM
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Axelrod


Pointed knives were banned in Soviet times, and blunt knives were not suitable for opening cans. We used pointed knives to cut bread, starting around 1993, when such knives appeared on the market.

To use a pointed knife in Soviet times, you had to get permission, as Rimma Kolevatova did when she received her brother's knife.
Probably, Askinazi did not have such permission and did not have a pointed knife. You can ask him. To clarify.

Moreover, Judge Novokreshchenov in an interview with Navig (the text is on the website) says that the tent was ripped open with an axe. He said this, perhaps, because no one from the Dyatlovo group had a permit to carry a knife. It was such a formal requirement. A living witness, Askinazi, can say more.

I think that POLCEI could put someone in jail for carrying a knife if a person was planning to commit a robbery, who was already approaching the victim, but was caught before that. Therefore, the policeman could check and arrest the bandit for having a bladed weapon and thus neutralize him before committing the crime.

It is surprising that the policeman in Serov did not make such claims against citizen Krivonischenko for a long sharp knife. He was probably too lazy to check his luggage.

The arrest and imprisoning could have saved Krivonischenko from death on the hike, just as Yudin's leg disease saved Yudin from death.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2025, 11:22:06 AM by Axelrod »
 

August 13, 2025, 12:25:42 PM
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OLD JEDI 72


Which photos are you referring to? And wouldn't it be obvious anyway?

I deleted them. GlennM is right.

I also remember publishing a photo with a yeti in the picture on April's Fool's Day, but the photo I deleted crossed the line.

Ah, you must be talking about the photo of Zolo and Zina holding cans. I actually saw that and didn't realize it was fake and that I just hadn't noticed it before. I'm still an amateur lol.
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August 13, 2025, 12:35:30 PM
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Ah, you must be talking about the photo of Zolo and Zina holding cans. I actually saw that and didn't realize it was fake and that I just hadn't noticed it before. I'm still an amateur lol.

And this proves the point that they could be confused with the real photos.
 

August 14, 2025, 06:41:22 PM
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OLD JEDI 72


Oh come on guys. It is obvious who posted the "false" photo of Velcro and Zina the Icon is on the top left with a secret name on it , maybe we should ban them too. OK IT WAS ME WHO DID THE PHOTO it was meant as a sarcastic reply to someone (you know who) answer to the tins found under/near the Cedar.
I think it a bit of a shame if we cannot have a bit of a laugh (its hard for me because thats all I do) cal it a trait and mainly sarcastic. I really dont mean it the way you might think I do. Like this comment: - Thanks to everyone who thought the pic was real. If you followed the mystery long enough you would have seen the original pic hundreds of times. I made it from a part of a post that was very recently posted and used a 15 year old paint program to attach the hands and tins to the two hikers. If looking close enough with a paint program you can see clearly the poor quality. Not to mention that they are in black and white and undersized.
I apologise to everyone I have offended by affecting the true story of our beloved hikers and will try and control myself in future (even if I see a post with spelling mistakes) or deleting people from real pictures.
Regards from :Me


Hey I have been promoted to 3 snowflakes ( I dont know if thats good or not ).

I appreciate your exuberance, like Ahab, this seems to be your White Whale however. Don't let it drag you down, sir.
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August 17, 2025, 12:44:59 PM
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Hunter


Аксельрод, острые ножи не были запрещены в СССР. А милиционер ничего не предъявил Кривонищенко "за нож" так как с большой долей вероятности, нож на тот момент был упакован в рюкзак или вообще внутри свернутой палатки.
Нет лучше охоты, чем охота на человека. Кто познал охоту на вооружённых людей, и полюбил её, больше не захочет познать ни чего другого.
 

August 17, 2025, 02:06:06 PM
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amashilu

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Hunter,

The language of this forum is English. Please post in English.
Meanwhile, here is a rough translation of what you wrote:

Axelrod, sharp knives were not banned in the USSR. And the policeman did not present anything to Krivonishchenko "for the knife" because with a high degree of probability, the knife at that time was packed in a backpack or even inside a rolled tent.
 

August 17, 2025, 02:13:05 PM
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OLD JEDI 72


I've watched half of the 2025 expedition with subtitles on, and it's quite enjoyable. I'm not sure how good the translation is; Teddy was giving a speech about love and friends, and cockroaches? Huh? twitch7 It's hard to watch and read subtitles. The Metallica music is pretty nice also. And mulled wine is defintely a nice touch!
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August 18, 2025, 09:41:13 AM
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Hunter


amashilu, then I can communicate via google translate. In short, it is unlikely that Krivonischenko was carrying a knife on his belt when he was at the station. Usually, all knives that could fall under the category of "weapons" and did not have permits were hidden deep in things until tourists arrived in places where they turned a blind eye to it. That's why the policeman didn't say anything about the knife.
Нет лучше охоты, чем охота на человека. Кто познал охоту на вооружённых людей, и полюбил её, больше не захочет познать ни чего другого.
 

August 23, 2025, 07:28:59 PM
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ahabmyth


Was looking through some of the questions in loose photos and came across a point of Igor making a liquor stove whatever that meant , and was directed to "Why didnt they use the stove" under Stoves. There is quite a bit of info on the tent and what had been said about it. Still havn't found the Alcohol or Liquor stove yet. ----------- Anyone know about this ??? ---------------------.
 

August 24, 2025, 04:11:09 AM
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Axelrod


I have serious doubts that alcohol (chemical formula C2H5OH) was present there at all.
Tempalov writes in the protocol of the question that there was a smell of alcohol or vodka.
I adhere to the version that it was vodka. Real alcohol was hard to get.

The stove runs on wood or brushwood.
 

August 24, 2025, 04:51:48 AM
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ahabmyth


I have serious doubts that alcohol (chemical formula C2H5OH) was present there at all.
Tempalov writes in the protocol of the question that there was a smell of alcohol or vodka.
I adhere to the version that it was vodka. Real alcohol was hard to get.

The stove runs on wood or brushwood.
I hadn't heard of this stove before, I surmise it only being something to do with wood laced with alcohol or alcohol used to start a fire. This would hardly constitute an invention , maybe something I haven't heard of. ( There was supposedly a flask of alcohol in the inventory unless it had already been used before the fateful night). Anyhow starting a fire by the Cedar was definitely an achievement and would have been quite taxing for most of us.
 

August 24, 2025, 01:23:20 PM
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Hunter


Alcohol was not used to light the firewood. The Dyatlov group planned to take Terminite, one of the names of dry fuel tablets. Plus, people back then had not yet gone so far into civilization as to forget how to light wood stoves. Igor's family lived in a private house with stove heating. And not only Igor's.
Нет лучше охоты, чем охота на человека. Кто познал охоту на вооружённых людей, и полюбил её, больше не захочет познать ни чего другого.
 

August 24, 2025, 03:31:33 PM
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ahabmyth


Alcohol was not used to light the firewood. The Dyatlov group planned to take Terminite, one of the names of dry fuel tablets. Plus, people back then had not yet gone so far into civilization as to forget how to light wood stoves. Igor's family lived in a private house with stove heating. And not only Igor's.
Wow thats amazing I think we used the same thing "Terminite". When we were kids we lived in a caravan for a while (mum and dad had split up )and there was a tiny stove. My 2 brothers and mum went out to work and the first one back had to light the stove, So we stuffed paper,wood, and coke and as you say firelighters to get the fire going quickly and I know there are different brands but when you mentioned Terminite it rang a bell and am sure it was the same brand as we used. It was a waxy sort of substance If I remember and it was impregnated with paraffin, once lit it would burn for ages.Yes it came in a brick and you needed to snap a piece off, I surmise its still used, I wouldn't know.
But once again we cant rely on hearsay it would have to be in the groups inventory and that would be very strict in its items, we would have to look, as I cant remember seeing this mentioned as it would stand out.
That reminded me of something else - matches, nobody had mentioned a "cigarette lighter" being used, I can remember these lighters being "made" out of the shells of .5" bullet casings , never made one myself but can remember polishing the brass casing of one.LOL.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2025, 03:47:22 PM by ahabmyth »
 

August 24, 2025, 03:49:21 PM
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Alcohol was not used to light the firewood. The Dyatlov group planned to take Terminite, one of the names of dry fuel tablets. Plus, people back then had not yet gone so far into civilization as to forget how to light wood stoves. Igor's family lived in a private house with stove heating. And not only Igor's.
Wow thats amazing I think we used the same thing "Terminite". When we were kids we lived in a caravan for a while (mum and dad had split up )and there was a tiny stove. My 2 brothers and mum went out to work and the first one back had to light the stove, So we stuffed paper,wood, and coke and as you say firelighters to get the fire going quickly and I know there are different brands but when you mentioned Terminite it rang a bell and am sure it was the same brand as we used. It was a waxy sort of substance If I remember and it was impregnated with paraffin, once lit it would burn for ages.Yes it came in a brick and you needed to snap a piece off, I surmise its still used, I wouldn't know.
But once again we cant rely on hearsay it would have to be in the groups inventory and that would be very strict in its items, we would have to look, as I cant remember seeing this mentioned as it would stand out.
That reminded me of something else - matches, nobody had mentioned a "cigarette lighter" being used, I can remember these lighters being "made" out of the shells of .5" bullet casings , never made one myself but can remember polishing the brass casing of one.LOL.





 

August 24, 2025, 04:36:40 PM
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Ziljoe


Wow that was quick Ziljoe, yes hadn't seen that item that I can remember, it must be the same item, minor spelling difference. I had been scratching my head many times thinking no one had mentioned how hard it was lighting fires, now I know why.

It is translated as fuel tablets in the English version. As hunter says, "people back then had not yet gone so far into civilization as to forget how to light wood stoves".

A fuel tablet helps but if wood is dry then the work is mostly done. I would suspect all the hikers were skilled in how to light a fire.
 

August 24, 2025, 04:44:09 PM
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Ziljoe


ahabmyth,

It's probably better to start a new reply than go back to update and edit your old one . I missed your reply and this is why others may not reply, because they didn't know .

The brutal = tin in the translation, it shows sheet 206 from the case files . You can press in-between Russian and English although there is some typos and spelling mistakes as it is a vast amount of work that has been done for us. Auto translate can give a better reading for some of the statements.
 

August 25, 2025, 11:47:47 AM
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ahabmyth,
These are the peculiarities of Google translation. Number 19 is "жесть". This word has several meanings. One of them is a situation when everything is very bad, another is a sheet of thin-rolled metal. Cans were made of such metal in the past. And craftsmen also made various crafts.
Нет лучше охоты, чем охота на человека. Кто познал охоту на вооружённых людей, и полюбил её, больше не захочет познать ни чего другого.
 

September 07, 2025, 11:55:05 AM
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amashilu

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Forum Members,

This topic is Book 1079, but the discussion has wandered far afield of that, so I have split it at this point.

The split-off topic is "Hikers' experience and training."

Amashilu