They were NOT crushed by snow

[Dona]

They didnt dig a snow den.. Their clean hands prove that.. nary  scratch on them.. Also, they were lying perpendicular to the ravine..

[KFinn]

For the rav 4 and the Yuris under the tree, we can't really judge much based on body positions.  The Yuris were moved as the others took their clothing after death.  The rav 4 were in running water; their bodies very well could have shifted from melting snow and water.  The state of the bath skin on the rav 4 also makes it difficult to determine injuries/dirt on their hands. 

[Dona]

They were under 10 feet of snow, frozen solid.. I doubt they shifted  much.. Also, I didnt mean clean, as in free of dirt. I meant clean, as in free of  the scratches, abrasions and bruises that the others all have.

[sarapuk]

They didnt dig a snow den.. Their clean hands prove that.. nary  scratch on them.. Also, they were lying perpendicular to the ravine..

Well I doubt they would have got far trying to dig a snow den with bare hands. They may have had some other means of digging, and also we dont know how deep the snow was when they were at the Ravine.

[Dona]

Their hands have no injuries.. They didnt dig anything..

[tenne]

So you are saying that this much snow fell from the beginning of February to the May 5 when they were found? Just trying to make sure I understand what you are saying

[Dona]

Thats not the ravine..

[Investigator]

Their hands have no injuries.. They didnt dig anything..

Okay, sure, right, everything's fine.

[tenne]

Thats not the ravine..

That is what I thought it was labelled as, my mistake, what is this area then? Isn't this the den they built and put the cedar branches down as a sort of floor

[sarapuk]

Thats not the ravine..

That is what I thought it was labelled as, my mistake, what is this area then? Isn't this the den they built and put the cedar branches down as a sort of floor

Fear not this Den is not a Den of iniquity. Its still subject to interpretaion. No one seems to have a clear explanation.

[tenne]

Thats not the ravine..

That is what I thought it was labelled as, my mistake, what is this area then? Isn't this the den they built and put the cedar branches down as a sort of floor

Now I'm confused. I thought this was established as the den they built and they were found laying a bit away from it. If it isn't the den, what is it?

Fear not this Den is not a Den of iniquity. Its still subject to interpretaion. No one seems to have a clear explanation.

[Dona]

tenne... Thats the snow cave.  Based on the injuries to their hands, built by Igors team.. The snow den, some say, was in the ravine.. I dont think so tho..  no hand injuries on them and  and they were lying perpendicular to the ravine..

[Dona]

sarapuk... Whats not clear?

[tenne]

tenne... Thats the snow cave.  Based on the injuries to their hands, built by Igors team.. The snow den, some say, was in the ravine.. I dont think so tho..  no hand injuries on them and  and they were lying perpendicular to the ravine..

Who built the snow cave then?

[Dona]

Igors  group...the 5 that were not in the ravine..

[tenne]

Igors  group...the 5 that were not in the ravine..

Now I am really confused. I thought that Igor's group were under the cedar, then 2 died, and 3 were found on the slope, the ravine 4 built a den in a ravine and were found out side the den in a creek. where was the snow cave then and why were the bodies under the cedar and on the slope?

[Dona]

The snow cave was near the ravine..They all died after they built it..Why they left it... who knows..

[cennetkusu]

Dividing the group into 3 explains many things. This means that they are absolutely confused and do not know what to do. A group is digging in the snow at minus 10 degrees colder! The other group is trying to light a fire at minus 10 degrees and on a windy night! The other group is trying to walk uphill in the snow to the tent 1.5km away in almost total darkness !!! They are definitely very confused and scared. But they did everything they could to survive ... Especially the trio trying to get up to the tent was quite brave ... Two of the other Yuri's stayed where they were and the other four looked for a hiding place ..... God bless their souls.

[Dona]

Poor Zena. Still in love with Yuri D. and comes across his dead body..

[sarapuk]

sarapuk... Whats not clear?

The Den or snow cave is not proven to be that. A lot of snow accumulated in that area over the course of weeks and months.

[Dona]

Their clothing was in it..

[sarapuk]

Their clothing was in it..

Yes along with some wood laid out on the ground. But that doesnt prove a Den or Snow Cave.

[Dona]

Igor and the others would know to build a snow cave.. a shelter of some kind..

[Игорь Б.]

They were crushed by snow. Proved by Ortyukov's radiogram.
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=64055

[Dona]

It was also  Spring.. The snow was melting then refreezing, repeatedly..  And I doubt they  would dig a cave over running water..The last thing you would ever want in that situation would be to get wet.. And, again, their hands show no signs of digging.

[Dona]

The fact remains that the  Igors group are bloodied, bruised and battered and the people in the ravine are essentially  pristine.

[Dona]

Also, the other cave was buried too.. Did it collapse too?  They were simply covered in snow..snowing,  drifts etc

[Игорь Б.]

Above the deck, the snow wasn't as hard as it was over the bodies:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=64622

[Игорь Б.]

The cause of the collapse of the snow shelter is known:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905

[Nigel Evans]

The cause of the collapse of the snow shelter is known:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905

Can you provide a translation?