The Ravine

[Dona]

They had to be injured before they went to the ravine because they are all laying down..  They should have been sitting up parallel to the ravine. No one would lay down in the snow like that..You wouldnt want to risk falling asleep either..

[Dona]

Also, they were lined up, side by side..just like Georgy and Yuri were..

[sarapuk]

They had to be injured before they went to the ravine because they are all laying down..  They should have been sitting up parallel to the ravine. No one would lay down in the snow like that..You wouldnt want to risk falling asleep either..

They may not have been injured until they got to the Ravine. Or 2 of them, already injured, may have been deposited there. Who knows.

[sarapuk]

Also, they were lined up, side by side..just like Georgy and Yuri were..

Yes its intriguing isnt it that some of the bodies are side by side. But not Dubinina.

[Dona]

The creek water caught Nicks jacket, puling it up over his head... The weight and current flipped him over onto his back.. pushing Luda off..

[Investigator]

It's a mountainside studded with rocks and they apparently were ripping branches off trees, so yes, other injuries may have occurred before they fell onto the rocky creek, with crush injuries because some fell on others.  No mystery here.  If you want to understand all or at least most of the details, you probably need to reconstruct the incident, perhaps with crash test dummies.

[Dona]

ALL of Igors people had  cuts, scrapes, bruises and abrasions on their bodies.. from head to toe..

NONE of the ravine people had any of these injuries.

[Игорь Б.]

Because the "ravine people" were the first to die quickly. The others tried to dig them out and froze a few hours later.
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=90145

People often get abrasions and bruises during many hours of freezing:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=96049
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=90276

[Dona]

Dig them out of what?

[Игорь Б.]

The others tried to dig them out from under the snow after the collapse of the snow shelter.

http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=64055
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=78905

[Dona]

Thats 4 pages  of links..

[sarapuk]

The creek water caught Nicks jacket, puling it up over his head... The weight and current flipped him over onto his back.. pushing Luda off..

Interesting. Are you suggesting that originally they were all side by side  ! ?

[sarapuk]

Thats 4 pages  of links..

Its also another Forum.

[Dona]

They say that they were wet for about 2 weeks.. So I would imagine in that time period..

[Manti]

Image from the other forum of what the ravine looks like in winter

On right:Kolevatov
Zolotaryëv
Tibo
On left:
Dubinina

[Dona]

That cant be right. They were not exposed like that. They were found by a searcher with a pole.. they struck Luda..

[Ziljoe]

That cant be right. They were not exposed like that. They were found by a searcher with a pole.. they struck Luda..

I think that's a recent photo of where the ravine 4 were found. It would not always look the same year on year.

But the thought process is that the snow would have collected in a similar way. Maybe connecting from one side to the other, maybe more snow on top. The snow fall will be different every year.

But the theory is that they modified that natural space. The snow collapsed on them. Injuries occur and the snow is too hard to dig out . More snow fills the space for  over 3 weeks until the searchers arrive on the 26th of February. The searchers don't find anything there till may with a pole.

[Dona]

Its labeled with their names  to make it look like its a crime scene photo.. It is not.

[Ziljoe]

Its labeled with their names  to make it look like its a crime scene photo.. It is not.

I think it jis ust to show where the bodies were found relative to the landscape in the photo. It is believed to be the actual location. I think it helps to visualise the same as your modified pictures?

[Dona]

Yes, I understand that...but.. someone will look at that photo and think its real..

[Dona]

Well, the fact remains that there are 2 locations... One with lethal injuries and  one  without..There is a reason for that

[Ziljoe]

Yes, I understand that...but.. someone will look at that photo and think its real..

True, it might be better if it was dated. It probably was if it was pulled from another forum.

[Dona]

It  probably was relevant to their conversation at the time, which we know nothing about..

[Ziljoe]

It  probably was relevant to their conversation at the time, which we know nothing about..

I would guess it would be a similar conversation to this thread. Where were the ravine 4 found and what did it look like.

[Игорь Б.]

The place of the decking and the bodies in the photo taken in late February-early March:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56231

[Dona]

Its more than that.. They labeled  the dark areas with names..

[Dona]

The place of the decking and the bodies in the photo taken in late February-early March:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56231

 Too bad we cant read the labels and understand what is being shown

[RMK]

The place of the decking and the bodies in the photo taken in late February-early March:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=56231

 Too bad we cant read the labels and understand what is being shown

Поисковик = Searcher
Тела = Bodies
Настил = Flooring
Снеговой уступ = Snow ledge
Поворот = Turn, bend, rotation
ручья влево = stream to the left

[Dona]

Thank -You..Lots of good pictures..