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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 14, 2024, 08:05:08 AM »

You are not cross checking with my translation when you find something like that?

No idea, but sometimes the grammar can give a very different perspective to an interpretation.  So in one version it says this

Version 1:

Belongings of the dead: Comrades are standing near the items. Boots, fur clothes. 3-4 blankets in a pile(?). Jacket of Kolya Thibault. Slippers Zina Kolmogorova, stove, crumpled pans (?). Saw in a case.

Dogs what?

- apparently deeply overwhelmed. We have to chop with an ax. Corpses are like bones, logs. A ski pole is broken(???)

Version 2 :

Belongings of the dead: Comrades are standing near the things. Boots, fur items. 3-4 blankets per group(?). Jacket Kolya Thibault. Zina Kolmogorova's slippers, stove, crumpled fire pans(?). Saw in a case.

- What about dogs?

- apparently deeply buried. The ax chops. Corpses are like bones, logs. The stick is broken. (???)

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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 14, 2024, 07:35:49 AM »

I am trying to read the case files in Russian translation and sometimes get different translations , one for example says that the pans or cookingiron were crumpled ?. A small detail but could shed some light .

The word "crumpled" is used about the blankets and the tent.
Point me towards where it says crumpled cookware, please.

I will have a look, take me a wee bit as it's in the case files using the Russian text then auto translate on my page.

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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by Teddy on May 14, 2024, 07:22:03 AM »

I am trying to read the case files in Russian translation and sometimes get different translations , one for example says that the pans or cookingiron were crumpled ?. A small detail but could shed some light .

The word "crumpled" is used about the blankets and the tent.
Point me towards where it says crumpled cookware, please.

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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 14, 2024, 06:15:40 AM »

It is a general question and a thread where others might have come across something that triggers an observation.

For example , we have the puttee found at the tent , this is questioned as being military but we also know that one of the hikers used  puttees when skiing.

We know there were Mansi close by. Depending on how I interpret the reports it seems they were in the vicinity of 1- 10km , herding or hunting. 

I am trying to read the case files in Russian translation and sometimes get different translations , one for example says that the pans or cookingiron were crumpled ?. A small detail but could shed some light .

There is also the question of what kind of evidence would outsiders leave behind or what could they cover up. I reason that it would not be an easy task for outsiders to be heavily involved without leaving evidence or traces . It's an open question and obviously some would say the injuries are enough evidence .

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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by WinterLeia on May 14, 2024, 04:01:54 AM »

I should probably clarify something here. Ziljoe asked for evidence of outsiders, not whether outsiders were responsible for what happened to the hikers. I don’t think one necessarily equals the other. There are reasons why someone might want to keep quiet about what they saw or experienced, even if they didn’t do anything wrong, if nothing else, just not to bring the attention of the authorities down on themselves or their families, especially if they knew it would not help the hikers anyway, or if they came across the tent, had no idea what happened, and then continued on their way. That may sound selfish. But it is not uncommon for people to go out of their way to avoid being even peripherally attached to such a horrible event.

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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by Teddy on May 13, 2024, 10:05:45 PM »

The tree has been on the ground for 65 years, it is rotten, and it is covered with moss. But you can still see a whole chunk missing, edges parallel.
https://dyatlovpass.com/dead-cedar

There are so many things around the bodies that are arguable left by the dying.
It is one thing to argue, and another to prove it.

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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by GlennM on May 13, 2024, 09:24:12 PM »

I am going back to Ziljoe's original post and interpreting it differently. I am going to use Teddy's theory as a springboard. Teddy argues that after the treefall incident, the tent was deliberately moved a mile up the slope irregardless of where the bodies lay. I interpret Ziljoe's original post to ask if there is any verifiable evidence of human presence/ tampering with the scene prior to the discovery of the tent on 1079? After all,  the tent can not move itself and the hikers were in no condition to move it. Everybody brings something into a crime scene and takes something away. As an example, if a tree fell on the tent, certainly there would be cut marks on the tree where the conspirators freed the tent.

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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by Teddy on May 13, 2024, 07:52:35 AM »

About the Unknown diary my personal opinion is that Zolotaryov wrote it because only he could confuse Doroshenko with Kolevatov.

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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by Teddy on May 13, 2024, 07:45:26 AM »

I have always been curious about this photo as mentioned at Dyatlovpass-com.

https://dyatlovpass.com/loose-photos

There is nothing mysterious about this photo. Koskin is a bigger enigma if you ask me. Abandoning the case for 10 years and coming back. He never said why and when asked questions during these 10 years (including about this photo, why did he listed it as belonging to the Dyatlov group), he always said that he doesn't want anything to do with the case. And now he wants to fill Kuntsevich's shoes.
The girl is Lyudmila Kotelnikova. You can see her with Doroshenko as a leader in 1957 Middle Ural trek.



She was in a meeting just this last Wednesday, May 8, and here is a post the Russian social media (VK.com)

An amazing meeting took place on May 8 at the Museum of History of Yekaterinburg. One of the spectators, sitting modestly in the hall, personally knew well and was friends with all the hikers from Dyatlov’s group!!! As Lyudmila Petrovna Molchalina (Kotelnikova) said, she started studying in the radio faculty of UPI in 1955. She was interested in hiking her whole life and joined the sport tourism club at the university. She knew in person all the members from the Dyatlov group, and went on hikes with Yuri Doroshenko, Lyuda Dubinina, and Yuri Yudin. After the performance (at the meeting on May 8, 2024), she talked for a long time about the guys from the Dyatlov group. The young audience had just read the group’s diaries and now they were talking to a person who remembers all the authors of these diaries. Such a connection between generations, unexpected, but very real! Below is a photo of Lyudmila Petrovna and a list of participants in the trek to the Urals under the leadership of Yuri Doroshenko, what a great meeting!


 

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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 13, 2024, 07:25:42 AM »

I don’t really like to introduce rabbit holes into a discussion. But in the spirit of an open mind I will say that the Unknown Diary has always bothered me. I can’t shake the feeling that it sounds like it was written by a female, even though I know it wasn’t written by Zina or Luda. But I’ve wondered if someone else thought the same thing and that’s why it was labeled as Zina’s diary. And, I mean, it just has an odd feeling to it all around, like it doesn’t jive with the others. But it’s just a feeling. There’s too many violations of Occam’s Razor for me to put too much stock into that without further proof. It’s the most interesting diary to read, though, in my opinion. Whoever it was had a very unique perspective and way of describing things. I wish they had written more entries.

Hi winterleia.

I had another read of it. It is strange that there are so few entries. When I use the Russian translation and then translate on my device I get slightly different results.

It would seem they were slightly lost on the 30th of January, the Mansi paths and signs were confusing to them. When I say lost, I mean lost within the trees and the internal trails created by Mansi. This I would say fits with some of the photos, especially the one with Zolotaryov, Doroshenko and Dyatlov. I think this is a photo taken with humour and ties in with the diary. They are obviously in the forest, probably followed the wrong trail and Dyatlov is trying to find the best direction.

This diary also mentions the state of the tent holes which seem excessive.