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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by GlennM on July 01, 2025, 07:14:51 PM »

My diffuculty with the descent to the woods theory is Otorten. If they could spend one cold night and then get to Ortoten, they would be in a better condition for the return trip.

 Sending someone on 1079 out in lousy conditions in snow and ice for a couple of miles, half of which was uphill speaks of remarkably poor planning and unnecessary risk taking for the comfort of those in the tent. After all, they did eat and they had their clothes. Nobody was going to die in that tent, all things considered. For me, what changed was a snow slide which impacted the tent and resulted in sufficient doubt of their safety.

There are parts of your theory that do fit nicely with the facts.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on July 01, 2025, 06:59:41 PM »

Maybe they wanted live branches to use as clubs or they were clearing away branches to be able to observe the tent area uphill. Kinda hard to burn live wood. Which makes me wonder how the heck they even started a fire with only matches.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by ZuriDog on July 01, 2025, 06:16:23 PM »

It was not necessary to climb to a height of 4-5 m to get firewood.

And yet... They did climb that tree, to a height of 4-5m, and broke branches off it. That is part of the evidence.

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Maps and charts / Re: Brand spanking new Google map not.

« Last post by ahabmyth on July 01, 2025, 05:26:50 PM »

Someone must have noticed this or am I missing something.

As we (me) can clearly see the location of the bodies are back to front , as in Zina, Slobodin and Igor were going "up" the hill to the tent.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by SURI on July 01, 2025, 02:32:02 PM »

It was not necessary to climb to a height of 4-5 m to get firewood.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by ZuriDog on July 01, 2025, 10:40:42 AM »

Except those nearby woods were 1 1/2klm away and over an area strewn with jagged rocks and I think a ravine. Igor would have been aware of this as he had been there before and even had his alternative route which I think they took.
As for climbing up the tree, well someone had to collect wood but looking around at the available pics we have, there seems to me to be quite a reasonable amount of it around the tree, and a lot safer than climbing a tree which must have had one side covered in snow and also the chance of having the snow laden tree itself shaking off of its load , which is probably the cause of someone falling off. And these were experienced hikers.

You noticed that correctly. The tree was not climbed for firewood.

The group diary says - what can be found on the ground is too damp to be of use.

Also looking at pictures of the cedar scene, none of the trees appear to have any significant amount of snow on them

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by SURI on July 01, 2025, 09:11:03 AM »

Except those nearby woods were 1 1/2klm away and over an area strewn with jagged rocks and I think a ravine. Igor would have been aware of this as he had been there before and even had his alternative route which I think they took.
As for climbing up the tree, well someone had to collect wood but looking around at the available pics we have, there seems to me to be quite a reasonable amount of it around the tree, and a lot safer than climbing a tree which must have had one side covered in snow and also the chance of having the snow laden tree itself shaking off of its load , which is probably the cause of someone falling off. And these were experienced hikers.

You noticed that correctly. The tree was not climbed for firewood.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by SURI on July 01, 2025, 08:53:44 AM »

The shelter was built for 4 people from the ravine, because the others were no longer alive at that time.

We only know that they were the last to be found.
But it is not a fact that they were the last to die.
We do not know in what order they all died. It is a matter of imagination.

The clothes the four of them were wearing from both Yuris suggest something else. And so does the construction of a shelter for 4 people.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by ahabmyth on July 01, 2025, 08:05:55 AM »

Except those nearby woods were 1 1/2klm away and over an area strewn with jagged rocks and I think a ravine. Igor would have been aware of this as he had been there before and even had his alternative route which I think they took.
As for climbing up the tree, well someone had to collect wood but looking around at the available pics we have, there seems to me to be quite a reasonable amount of it around the tree, and a lot safer than climbing a tree which must have had one side covered in snow and also the chance of having the snow laden tree itself shaking off of its load , which is probably the cause of someone falling off. And these were experienced hikers.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by Axelrod on July 01, 2025, 05:04:30 AM »

The shelter was built for 4 people from the ravine, because the others were no longer alive at that time.

We only know that they were the last to be found.
But it is not a fact that they were the last to die.
We do not know in what order they all died. It is a matter of imagination.