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« Last post by GlennM on May 01, 2025, 06:52:38 PM »Cute girl and a guy with a camera, problem solved.
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« Last post by Ziljoe on May 01, 2025, 08:50:28 AM »Exactly, as it's been discussed before. 
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« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 01, 2025, 08:06:17 AM »How did an unrelated person’s photo end up in the Dyatlov case files? The likely explanation is quite mundane: the film roll in Igor Dyatlov’s camera had leftover exposures from an earlier outing. It was common for student hikers to reuse film rolls, meaning the first portion of that roll could contain images from a previous hike (featuring people who were not on the Dyatlov Pass trek). Indeed, investigators note that only the final frame on Igor’s roll was from the 1959 trek, with the earlier frames showing older scenes
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. That would perfectly explain why a photo of Dubinina’s friend ended up alongside the Dyatlov expedition images – it was simply never separated when the films were developed under rushed conditions in 1959. The Soviet investigators apparently filed the entire developed roll’s prints into evidence, even if some showed unrelated subjects. (In the chaos of the search and investigation, this oversight is understandable – initially, officials might not have recognized the woman and included the print out of thoroughness or mistake.) Later archivists like Koskin catalogued it as an “unknown photo,” noting the woman “does not participate in the trek”
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. No official source identifies the woman by name, but Dyatlov researchers have made educated guesses. A second “loose” photo in the archive shows a group of hikers from an earlier trip, and in that image the same unknown girl appears alongside Lyudmila Dubinina (smiling together in a group shot)
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. This suggests she was likely a fellow UPI student and friend in the university’s hiking club. In short, the figure is almost certainly an “outsider” to the Dyatlov Pass incident itself – a known person from the hikers’ social circle, but not present on Dead Mountain. There is no evidence she secretly tagged along during the final trek, and all Dyatlov group diaries and testimonies confirm only the original nine were on the route. Therefore, the photo does not depict a mysterious tenth hiker at the scene of the tragedy, but rather a misplaced memory from an earlier adventure. Modern Dyatlov case investigators consider this identification settled: the photo is authentic but contextually unrelated to the fatal incident
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-Seems pretty cut and dried to me.
dyatlovpass.com
. That would perfectly explain why a photo of Dubinina’s friend ended up alongside the Dyatlov expedition images – it was simply never separated when the films were developed under rushed conditions in 1959. The Soviet investigators apparently filed the entire developed roll’s prints into evidence, even if some showed unrelated subjects. (In the chaos of the search and investigation, this oversight is understandable – initially, officials might not have recognized the woman and included the print out of thoroughness or mistake.) Later archivists like Koskin catalogued it as an “unknown photo,” noting the woman “does not participate in the trek”
dyatlovpass.com
. No official source identifies the woman by name, but Dyatlov researchers have made educated guesses. A second “loose” photo in the archive shows a group of hikers from an earlier trip, and in that image the same unknown girl appears alongside Lyudmila Dubinina (smiling together in a group shot)
dyatlovpass.com
. This suggests she was likely a fellow UPI student and friend in the university’s hiking club. In short, the figure is almost certainly an “outsider” to the Dyatlov Pass incident itself – a known person from the hikers’ social circle, but not present on Dead Mountain. There is no evidence she secretly tagged along during the final trek, and all Dyatlov group diaries and testimonies confirm only the original nine were on the route. Therefore, the photo does not depict a mysterious tenth hiker at the scene of the tragedy, but rather a misplaced memory from an earlier adventure. Modern Dyatlov case investigators consider this identification settled: the photo is authentic but contextually unrelated to the fatal incident
dyatlovpass.com
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-Seems pretty cut and dried to me.
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« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 01, 2025, 08:02:05 AM »I would suspect the AI will only search for what's available, like what is discussed on this forum. It's a failed feed back loop. All we have is the theories and many have come to a stand still.
If it's search statements from fake or false claims , all it can do is repeat what has already been said.
Ok, I did a Deep Research (it took 20 minutes) and think you will like the conclusion:
Origin and Inclusion in Official Case Files
This photograph is legitimate and originates from the Dyatlov expedition’s own film rolls, not a later hoax or fabrication. It was found in the Soviet case files of the 1959 Dyatlov Pass incident, albeit as a puzzling outlier. In early March 1959, a student volunteer (a member of the search party) retrieved Igor Dyatlov’s camera from the abandoned tent and developed its film privately before handing it over to investigators
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. Investigators then added several “loose” photos (unaligned with the main rolls) into the case evidence. This included the now-infamous image of a seated hiker who did not match any of the nine known victims
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. In other words, the photo genuinely appears in the official archival documents – it was “introduced in the case file without explanation of its origin”
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– but it does not show a mystery attacker or unknown rescuer. Instead, research by the Dyatlov Foundation indicates the shot likely came from Igor Dyatlov’s camera (serial №55242643) and had been taken before the fatal trek. The film in that camera contained mostly older images, and only the very last frames were from the Dyatlov party’s final journey
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. The earliest known source of this photo is thus the 1959 investigative archives themselves, which remained classified for decades. It resurfaced publicly in the 2000s when investigators like Aleksey Koskin and Yuri Kuntsevich obtained copies of the case files and negatives (notably in 2009)
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. The photo was published on the Dyatlov Foundation’s website as one of several “loose photos” that had no clear place in the main sequence of the group’s journey
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. In modern publications and documentaries, the image is often reproduced directly from those archives (for example, major news outlets credit it as “photo from the case materials, via Dyatlov Pass site”)
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. All evidence affirms that it belongs to the original collection of expedition photographs – its legitimacy is not in doubt. The mystery lies in why it shows an unfamiliar person.
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« Last post by Ziljoe on May 01, 2025, 06:41:03 AM »I would suspect the AI will only search for what's available, like what is discussed on this forum. It's a failed feed back loop. All we have is the theories and many have come to a stand still.
If it's search statements from fake or false claims , all it can do is repeat what has already been said.
If it's search statements from fake or false claims , all it can do is repeat what has already been said.
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« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 01, 2025, 05:58:53 AM »Even the negatives show that blurry photo as the final, so something is up! But the fact it insists it's from Yuri K's camera is weird because all I did was upload the picture and ask it where it's from.
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« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 01, 2025, 05:55:33 AM »Your favorite, AI. But check this out, it says it's from frame 34 of Yuri Kri's camera but disputes this websites version of frame 34 saying it's Igor's last image. This thing is either very smart or dumb lol. However, I do like the speed for which it assists.
ChatGPT said:
What you’re seeing on that page is actually the single under-exposed, distorted image from Igor Dyatlov’s second roll – not the sharp daylight frame from Krivonischenko’s camera. The site’s “Frame 34” refers to their own sequential numbering of all the images they have, and so they’ve numbered Dyatlov’s lone dark shot as “34” in their gallery. Here’s why it looks so damaged:
Under-exposure:
That shot was taken at dusk (or in a whiteout), so the film never got enough light. It records almost nothing but fogged-out blurs.
Brittle, frozen emulsion:
At –30 °C the gelatin layer on the film cracks. When the roll was thawed weeks later, those fine fractures became white streaks and spider-web patterns.
Physical abrasion:
Handling rough snowy gloves, then Soviet lab technicians’ early scanners, left scratches, dirt and water spots all over the negative.
Digitization artifacts:
Low-contrast scans magnify every speck of dust and scratch. What little image there was gets overwhelmed by noise during scanning, so the result looks more “damaged” than “photo.”
In short, the “Frame 34” in their gallery is the very last—but horribly under-exposed—negative from Igor Dyatlov’s own Zorkii camera. Its ghostly, scratched appearance isn’t a broken link, but the real state of that film.
ChatGPT said:
What you’re seeing on that page is actually the single under-exposed, distorted image from Igor Dyatlov’s second roll – not the sharp daylight frame from Krivonischenko’s camera. The site’s “Frame 34” refers to their own sequential numbering of all the images they have, and so they’ve numbered Dyatlov’s lone dark shot as “34” in their gallery. Here’s why it looks so damaged:
Under-exposure:
That shot was taken at dusk (or in a whiteout), so the film never got enough light. It records almost nothing but fogged-out blurs.
Brittle, frozen emulsion:
At –30 °C the gelatin layer on the film cracks. When the roll was thawed weeks later, those fine fractures became white streaks and spider-web patterns.
Physical abrasion:
Handling rough snowy gloves, then Soviet lab technicians’ early scanners, left scratches, dirt and water spots all over the negative.
Digitization artifacts:
Low-contrast scans magnify every speck of dust and scratch. What little image there was gets overwhelmed by noise during scanning, so the result looks more “damaged” than “photo.”
In short, the “Frame 34” in their gallery is the very last—but horribly under-exposed—negative from Igor Dyatlov’s own Zorkii camera. Its ghostly, scratched appearance isn’t a broken link, but the real state of that film.
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« Last post by Ziljoe on May 01, 2025, 05:39:36 AM »
Here's what I found on the where this picture comes from:
That image of the lone skier seated on her pulk isn’t a stray tourist photo at all but one of the original Dyatlov-party negatives—specifically, it comes from Film № 1 recovered in Georgiy Krivonischenko’s Zorkii “488797” camera.
Camera ownership: Krivonischenko (one of the nine hikers) packed a Zorkii rangefinder for candid group shots. When search teams found his body, that camera still held a full 34-frame roll.
Which frame: This is among the last “normal” expedition frames—showing Lyudmila Dubinina (or, by some accounts, Zinaida Kolmogorova) at the edge of the ravine, taken just before they pitched the tent on that open slope.
Why it matters: Because it’s on Krivonischenko’s roll, not Igor Dyatlov’s or Rustem Slobodin’s, it confirms he was photographing the site right up until the tragic events later that night, and it anchors our timeline to their final moments of calm.
In short, this isn’t an anonymous tourist snap—it’s one of the nine hikers’ own cameras (Krivonischenko’s), captured just hours before the tent was abandoned.
I do not think this information is correct.Where did this information come from?
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« Last post by Ziljoe on May 01, 2025, 05:25:18 AM »Why post a picture of random pictures when all the photos are not from the 1959 Dyatlov pass incident.
It is either a deliberate effort to cause harm and damage the credibility of the forum or to purely get hits and prolong the debate .
Why not just troll him about his mum like last time? And what are you talking about "the credibility of the forum?" Where else is he supposed to post it? And the accusation that he's not interested in anything other than his own glory is a bit rich coming from you. You're on every post slinging ad hominem attacks around!
My apologies OLD JEDI . I reference the credibility to the forum of the multiple photos. It is a mix of photos from various years , or so it's claimed . There is no reference to where the multiple photos came from , when it was taken or who took it and for what purpose. It adds confusion and I wouldn't expect Axelrod to confuse the pictures as he will know.
I'm sure Axelrod will give a source to the photos . Axelrod has referenced his mother's and families knowledge on the Dyatlov pass.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I was like his mum? Dang it's getting deep lol so that's why I went on the offense a bit.
Perhaps a lesson for all of us? I did not see what was in the deleted post and it may have nothing to do with me as to why the post was deleted.
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« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 01, 2025, 05:12:07 AM »
Here's what I found on the where this picture comes from:
That image of the lone skier seated on her pulk isn’t a stray tourist photo at all but one of the original Dyatlov-party negatives—specifically, it comes from Film № 1 recovered in Georgiy Krivonischenko’s Zorkii “488797” camera.
Camera ownership: Krivonischenko (one of the nine hikers) packed a Zorkii rangefinder for candid group shots. When search teams found his body, that camera still held a full 34-frame roll.
Which frame: This is among the last “normal” expedition frames—showing Lyudmila Dubinina (or, by some accounts, Zinaida Kolmogorova) at the edge of the ravine, taken just before they pitched the tent on that open slope.
Why it matters: Because it’s on Krivonischenko’s roll, not Igor Dyatlov’s or Rustem Slobodin’s, it confirms he was photographing the site right up until the tragic events later that night, and it anchors our timeline to their final moments of calm.
In short, this isn’t an anonymous tourist snap—it’s one of the nine hikers’ own cameras (Krivonischenko’s), captured just hours before the tent was abandoned.