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General Discussion / Re: Evening Otorten - Encrypted report

« Last post by sarapuk on April 20, 2026, 04:21:55 PM »

EVENING OTORTEN

Recipient G (+ K)
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LEFT COLUMN
Change  n o t i f i c a t i o n
Task preparation
Action


RIGHT COLUMN
Event location
Route news
Final result

What I find interesting is the inclusion of the reference to the Yeti in that area. And under the science heading. And the Evening Otorten was fixed to the wall of the tent.

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General Discussion / Re: picture of the lights

« Last post by sarapuk on April 20, 2026, 03:41:43 PM »

The night is calm.
They are lying inside the tent, asleep.

Suddenly, a massive noise tears through the silence.
They wake up in shock.
The fabric of the tent trembles.

One of them cuts a hole in the tent and looks through the opening.
He takes a photograph.
Outside, something shines. A powerful, unreal light.

They shout to wake the others.
Fear takes hold of them.
They do not try to understand.

They all flee together, running,
leaving their belongings behind,
abandoning the tent,
vanishing into the frozen night,
without even taking the time to put on their shoes.

The mountain watches.
Silence returns.

I think if they were awakened or alerted to such a noise, they would first of all look out from the entrance to their tent, not cut it.

There can only be one reason for this. The young people may have had a malevolent interaction with an unknown force before setting up their tent! They initially wanted to camp in the forest, but the unknown force may have prevented it. It may have affected and frightened them with strange, terrifying noises. Because of this, they may have decided to abandon camping in the forest and climb the hill instead. And the unknown force followed them and became visible. The reason they looked at it by cutting open the tent instead of looking through the door is because of their previous negative interaction with it. They were terrified and all wanted to look at it at once. That's why they wanted to cut open the tent and look at it all together, instead of one by one. Their willingness to cut open the tent is definitive proof of how much they were affected by the unknown force!

You certainly have a point about them being driven to the slope because of something down in the forest that was causing them some alarm. And maybe they knew that something was then at their tent site and decided to flee quickly by cutting open the tent. Something definitely scared them at the tent site for them to flee, not dressed properly. 

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General Discussion / Re: Cattle and Animal and Human Mutilations

« Last post by sarapuk on April 20, 2026, 03:36:29 PM »

LGM travel 4.5 light years to outpost Earth.  They choose not to make contact but choose be seen. They have a taste for beef. They do not like hiker. Their spaceship has parking lights.You can't make this stuff up! Hilarious!

Who said that aliens travel at the speed of light? How do you know they haven't made contact? What makes you think they eat beef? What makes you think they don't like hikers? Are you suggesting that their space vehicle is like a motor vehicle here on Earth? Think again.     

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General Discussion / Re: Cattle and Animal and Human Mutilations

« Last post by sarapuk on April 20, 2026, 03:22:40 PM »

I want to state that I have never believed in aliens and absolutely never will! There is not a single piece of evidence, not even a hint, in any religion, any school of thought, any civilization, or any culture that suggests the existence of aliens!!! I think we shouldn't believe it either. If an unknown force attacked the youth, that force is one that lives among us on Earth!!! It is definitely not a force from space! This force knows us very well, understands us very well, observes and hears us very well. It must know us better than we know ourselves. Because this attack was carried out consciously, planned, and in stages!!! This shows that the attacker is very intelligent, clever, patient, and fast. If there is no human element involved, which appears to be the case, then only demons or an unknown force could have done this to the youth. There is no other option besides these two.

There is more and more evidence coming to light that shows that we are not alone in the Universe. Lots of evidence over the last 70 years or so as well.

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General Discussion / Re: Etymology of the family names of the victims.

« Last post by sarapuk on April 20, 2026, 03:19:05 PM »

Not quite sure, how we arrived at UFOs from names and their origin.

But the damages to Dubininas face is most likely due to her lying in the thawing snow for weeks. There might be damages due to bacteria and microorganisms or maybe even due to small rodents or the like. I'd go as far as accept the chance that the missing eyes might be caused by some pressure wave that was created by an explosion, as someone suggested in another thread.
Why for the love of all gods should an UFO take Dubinina and cut out her eyes and tongue?

Good morning Missi.

"Why for the love of all gods should an UFO take Dubinina and cut out her eyes and tongue?".............For to make a clone using the genetic of Dubinina! I consider that here, into this forum and towards this affair, some of members haven't had to do of problems mentioned UFO's because they haven't have personal encounters with UFO or with supposed extraterrestrial entities . For this reason I consider also that they don't understand the possibility that Dyatlov Pass incident can be an ufologic affair. This is not a blame towards them but an real experience ufologic open the mind at the possible seriousness of this situation. The possible visitors from the space aren't perhaps especially cool entities!!!

Friendly.

Interestingly put. Well, for sure, whoever or whatever caused those horrible injuries and deaths may not be what we would consider a very nice being. But that's what we think. Humans kill cattle, etc., to feed. And sometimes humans kill for sport. And sometimes, because they are not very nice. That could apply to all beings, known and unknown. Humans experiment on living animals and kill animals to experiment on them.

I can't imagine such a powerful, intelligent, and compelling force being evil! It must have been a good being. But why did it kill the young people? Maybe they needed to die! Death was better for them. Then why are there injuries? Maybe the compelling force got angry about something! And that's why it caused the injuries. If this force were evil, it would have attacked all the young people the same way, gouging out their eyes and tongues and breaking their ribs. It easily killed the young people in the outside environment, but struggled to kill them in the snow cave!!!!! And that's why it got angry, gouged out their eyes and tongues, and broke their ribs. Because it was also trapped in the confined space, and that must have angered it!!!!! So from this, we can figure out what kind of being the compelling force is. Yes, it resembles a human, but is it human? I don't know!

I should have added that there are probably good aliens and bad aliens. An also accidents etc.

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General Discussion / Re: Does the term “criminal case” create bias when we look at Dyatlov?

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 20, 2026, 02:56:31 PM »

Hunter, one thing that might help here is being careful that we don’t accidentally project modern criminal‑procedure expectations onto a 1959 Soviet accidental‑death investigation. The legal framework was very different, and looking at equivalent cases from that era gives a clearer sense of what “should” be in a file like this.

In 1959, opening a criminal case number was simply the legal mechanism for investigating any unexplained death — it didn’t imply a crime, and it didn’t require the full evidentiary package that a modern homicide case would. Many accidental‑death cases opened under Article 105 were closed quickly with minimal documentation once no crime was established. Missing forms in such cases are extremely common in the archives.

There are also structural reasons for gaps that show up in many 1950s files: 
– pre‑case verification materials were not always attached 
– temporary notes were routinely discarded 
– duplicate drafts were destroyed 
– non‑evidentiary items were culled before archiving 
– some materials stayed in district files rather than being transferred to the oblast archive

None of this requires incompetence or fabrication. It reflects how routine accidental‑death cases were handled at the time.

Ankudinov’s point, as I understand it, is that some of the paperwork was retyped or edited, and that the surviving versions may not be the first drafts. But he doesn’t claim fabrication — he’s describing typical Soviet archival and bureaucratic practice, where retyping, consolidating, and cleaning up documents was common, especially in district‑level cases. Later recollections, conference presentations, or theory‑driven reconstructions aren’t the same as contemporaneous procedural documents.

Ivanov himself later described the case as “ordinary/routine” in terms of procedure — meaning no crime, no suspects, no reopening, and standard bureaucratic handling. That aligns with what we see in the file.

So the gaps and inconsistencies don’t automatically point to conspiracy or deliberate omission; they’re consistent with how many ordinary/routine non‑criminal Soviet cases were documented and preserved in the 1950s.

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General Discussion / Re: Does the term “criminal case” create bias when we look at Dyatlov?

« Last post by Hunter on April 20, 2026, 12:21:43 PM »

Ziljoe, generally speaking, conducting a criminal case (regardless of whether the crime is immediately obvious, for example, a corpse with three bullet holes and no weapon in the victim's hand, or simply an accident resulting from a fall down the stairs) is subject to certain rules. Violating these rules can result in the criminal escaping punishment. The current criminal case doesn't stand up to scrutiny, as it's missing a large amount of documents that are required. And it's impossible to attribute this to forgetfulness or time pressure – there are too many such errors. There are only two possible explanations for why this happened.
The first is that Ivanov and Tempalov aren't qualified for their positions. If you convert their ranks to military ranks, they're equivalent to major or lieutenant colonel. And they're making such mistakes, even though they've reached such heights. I don't believe it.
The second option is what Ankudinov insists on. The case is fabricated, so the inspectors "missed" all these errors.

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Ziljoe, вообще-то ведение уголовного дела (при этом не важно, сразу ли виден криминал, например, труп с тремя пулевыми отверстиями и отсутствием оружия в руке убитого или же просто несчастный случай в результате падения с лестницы на первый взгляд) подчинено определенным правилам. Нарушение этих правил может привести к тому, что преступник уйдет от наказания. Имеющиеся уголовное дело не выдерживает никакой критики, так как там отсутствует большой массив документов, которые там должны быть обязательно. И списать это на забывчивость или цейтнот нельзя - таких ошибок слишком много. И тут возникает лишь два варианта, почему это произошло.
Первый вариант, это то, что Иванов с Темпаловым не соответствуют занимаемым должностям. А если перевести их чины в армейские звания, то это звания уровня майора или подполковника. И они так ошибаются, достигнув таких высот. Не поверю.
Второй вариант, это то, на чем настаивает Анкундинов. Дело сфабриковано, поэтому все эти ошибки проверяющие "не увидели".

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General Discussion / Re: I can't even think of setting up a labaz here

« Last post by GlennM on April 20, 2026, 11:02:06 AM »

Ziljoe, I am in total agreement with your rationale for the labaz. It certainly gives meaning to the " I can't imagine" entries in the group,diary. If the weather were kinder, I believe they would still not cache materials on the ridge, if for no other reason than uncertain depths of snow.

Those who advocate for the cache or tent being spoofed should reconsider in light of this clarification along with a host of other developments in the forum. Very much like peeling an onion isn't it?

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General Discussion / Re: I can't even think of setting up a labaz here

« Last post by Ziljoe on April 20, 2026, 08:08:07 AM »

I think the diary wording helps narrow down the Jan 31 location quite a bit. The entry doesn’t read as if they reached the saddle or the pass itself. It sounds more like they climbed just beyond the last trees, found the ground too wind‑scoured and uneven for a labaz, and decided that was the point to turn back. The phrasing about not being able to build a labaz or campsite fits that kind of exposed shoulder rather than the pass proper.

At that time of day they still needed to get a camp set up and prepare the cache, so returning to the first suitable forested area makes sense. That’s exactly where the labaz was built the next morning. After that, climbing back up lighter for a proper push toward Otorten fits the overall pattern in the diaries and the terrain.

Ironically, the tops of the the slopes would have been where the sled could have been used , hard snow and icy rocks . One was used to drag the bodies back to boot rock. 

To build the labaz they need a deep snow pit which Igor references at 1.2 meters deep ,or tree's if going to be a longer time away, skis are recommended as markers . This is all in hiking manuals, so i suppose they are also considering the return route , what would be the most convenient place for the labaz.

So we have three nominations where to make the labaz,
1)where it was found ,
2)somewhere at or around the tent on the slope
3) in the cedar area

For me , 1 is the most logical for the return leg. I can't see the advantage for the other 2 locations . Igor went as far forward as he could to build a campsite and labaz on the 31st . He had no tree's or deep snow for a labaz , there was no point in carrying the products further, it was just to return a few hundred meters to find an area for a labaz.

Sorry Glenn, your last message came in as i was typing. I think the Mansi trail is just tracks through the woods , they were not direct paths to the hikers goal so they were used when they helped and might not have always been in the corect direction . I would assume that with all of their experience, they would know they are in the correct valleys , the only confusion would be the maze of forest paths. Everything reads like every other hiking diary? 

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General Discussion / Re: I can't even think of setting up a labaz here

« Last post by GlennM on April 20, 2026, 07:09:23 AM »

Ziljoe, Senior and Osi. Every one of you are clear and understandable. If you wrote the diary, I would have a clear picture of the " big picture" of the hike. The actual diary seems more focused on the small picture of personal experience, technique and weather.  If Igor had a map in hand, he would have the " big picture" that we do not get from the diary.

The standard telling of this story is that the team actually missed their turn in the forest and instead went straight up and to the high ground, crossed over to the Lozva and elected to follow the ridge route to Ortoten. There they got scoured by the conditions.
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This telling of the story makes me think Igor had no " big picture" map. Instead, he was leading by intuition. Was the Mansi trail supposed to lead them all the way? The group may not technically have gotten lost, but they were certainly making it up as they went along. Could this be an explanation for the jolly tone of the diary?