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March 28, 2019, 01:27:17 PM
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I don't think it was escapees from a gulag. For one thing, trying to escape during winter was known to cause almost certain death for those who didn't have a nearby support network.

I just read an essay by an anthropologist about attitudes toward the gulags in the area, and she stated that the Mansi were used as bounty hunters of escapees. But she said that, from what she could tell, it happened far less often than it was threatened. The administrators of the gulags would tell prisoners that if they escaped the Mansi or Khanty would catch them. Like telling children the boogy man would get them.

Still, many of the "settlers" living in the area had been former inmates of gulags who remained there after the institutions were closed and they were freed. I think the loggers fall into this category--hence the comments in the diary about their roughness. There were also people in internal exile--many Jewish people, some ethnic Germans like the forestry guy--to keep them from away from the European part of Russia to prevent them from defecting. So a lot of area residents would have been exposed to the barbaric conditions in the gulags and to the forms of violence practiced there. That is one of the things that makes it hard to determine who the attackers may have been: many different groups would have the same "tool kit" because of Stalin's practice of mass incarceration, where political dissidents would be thrown in with common criminals and psychopaths.

We dont know if they were attacked by anyone. The Murder Theory is one of many.
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March 29, 2019, 04:11:13 AM
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Didn't knew that khanti and mansy people revolted and fought against soviet collectivization. Sure, it's more than 25 years before the Dyatlov incident, but it's still interesting to know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazym_rebellion
http://www.hrono.ru/sobyt/1931sssr.html
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March 29, 2019, 01:38:30 PM
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Didn't knew that khanti and mansy people revolted and fought against soviet collectivization. Sure, it's more than 25 years before the Dyatlov incident, but it's still interesting to know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazym_rebellion
http://www.hrono.ru/sobyt/1931sssr.html

Yes good information.  Similar to what happens to many tribal people around the World from time to time. Think American Indians. A lot can happen in 25 years though. They can be killing one another one year and then making peace the next year.
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June 02, 2020, 03:58:11 PM
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The food for thought offered by Loose}{Cannon   March 16, 2019   Reply #9  and Reply #10

... In other words, there were .... political enemies etc, and they were not entirely mixed up. Many that were eligible for release had nowhere to go and stayed as part of a freed and payed working party of say mining and logging communities..........

 My mother inlaw is Russian,.....................She told me when times were really tough,........... Her brother lost his right hand for steeling a loaf of bread..... her parents were never seen again.

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Still, many of the "settlers" living in the area had been former inmates of gulags who remained there after the institutions were closed and they were freed.
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I think the loggers fall into this category--hence the comments in the diary about their roughness. There were also people in internal exile--many Jewish people, some ethnic Germans like the forestry guy--to keep them from away from the European part of Russia to prevent them from defecting. So a lot of area residents would have been exposed to the barbaric conditions in the gulags and to the forms of violence practiced there. That is one of the things that makes it hard to determine who the attackers may have been: many different groups would have the same "tool kit" because of Stalin's practice of mass incarceration, where political dissidents would be thrown in with common criminals and psychopaths.

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prisoners..........................
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 running prisoners in the conditions of winter Northern Ural Mountains. .
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I do not suspect the prisoners from some distant Gulag camp. The prisoners, who are often called Zeks in international literature, were well guarded continuously night and day.

But after Stalin's death in 1953, first Beria and then Khrushchev ordered mass releases ;
and within a few years the population of the zeks was halved: 2 million zeks became 1 million zeks + 1 million ex-zeks.

The liberated people, often called ex-zeks, were in principle free men, but there were many different administrative statutes.
To put it simply, an ex-zek was almost as free as an ordinary Soviet citizen.

 A certain proportion of these ex-zeks found themselves in unsuitable material and moral conditions.
    • This caused social difficulties in Soviet society between 1953 and 1964.
    • This contributed to the fall of Khrushchev to Brezhnev in 1964.

The attackers, who were ex-zeks, had no material difficulties in catching (joining) the hikers on the slope of the Kholat Syakhl on the evening of 1 February 1959.
 

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The attackers came from the Vizhay region, maybe even simply from settlement 41.

The attackers lived in houses that were comfortable for the time (1959): good food, plenty of firewood, maybe sturdy furniture.

The attackers could have been under house arrest. They had to check in every fortnight, they could only go to certain small towns. But they could work, move around, wander freely in the (big) forest (without going outside certain boundaries).

The attackers knew the route planned for the Dyatloc group because the hikers had (too much) talked about it at Vizhay, at the settlement, at the Rempel forester...

In 1959 there remained in the vicinity of Vizhay a small proportion of ex-zeks or former political prisoners who had many good reasons to hate the Soviet regime and who were ready to continue their patriotic struggle.

It is difficult to know if these were: Chechens, Ingush, Crimean Tatars, Poles, Czechoslovakians, Hungarians, Romanians, Moldovans, Ukrainians, Koreans, Germans, Bulgarians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians... or from other countries.


One of the goals of the hike was "Conducting conversations and reports among the population."
It became easy (but not without risks) for a certain number (3?, 4?) of ex-zeks to improvise, in a few days, a spectacular action to galvanize opposition to this Stalinist propaganda.

From Vizhay to North-2 the journey is made fatigue-free in a motor vehicle or in a horse-drawn sleigh


cf Atmanaki, Sheet 209 :
In Vizhay arrived around noon, ...and agreed in the car park that a passing car we will take us to the village of IInd North, the easiest starting point to go on the route.

From North-2 to the tent, the trace left by the 9 hikers is clearly visible and easy to follow, in less than one day, (except maybe the last mile on the slope of the Kholat Syakhl).


Here is the photographic proof of the existence of pursuers that many investigators want to ignore !

Everything indicates that it is a human being who was only visible for a very short time and then disappeared immediately.



The attackers, who had no guns and no daggers, with difficulty succeeded in defeating the hikers, after 9 hours of fighting in the snow and at night.

This is why I will henceforth send my argumentation in the Topic: "Altercation on the pass" ( and not on Murdered).
 
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 02:55:50 AM by Teddy »
Jean Daniel Reuss

Rational guidance =

• There is nothing supernatural and mysterious about the injuries suffered by the Dyatlov group. They are all consistent with an attack by a group of professional killers who wanted to take the lives of the nine  [Per Inge Oestmoen].

• Now let us search for answers to: WHO ? WHY ? HOW ?

• The scenario must be consistent with the historical, political and psychological  contexts.

• The solution takes in consideration all known findings.

June 03, 2020, 02:22:29 PM
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The food for thought offered by Loose}{Cannon   March 16, 2019   Reply #9  and Reply #10

... In other words, there were .... political enemies etc, and they were not entirely mixed up. Many that were eligible for release had nowhere to go and stayed as part of a freed and payed working party of say mining and logging communities..........

 My mother inlaw is Russian,.....................She told me when times were really tough,........... Her brother lost his right hand for steeling a loaf of bread..... her parents were never seen again.

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

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Still, many of the "settlers" living in the area had been former inmates of gulags who remained there after the institutions were closed and they were freed.
................................
I think the loggers fall into this category--hence the comments in the diary about their roughness. There were also people in internal exile--many Jewish people, some ethnic Germans like the forestry guy--to keep them from away from the European part of Russia to prevent them from defecting. So a lot of area residents would have been exposed to the barbaric conditions in the gulags and to the forms of violence practiced there. That is one of the things that makes it hard to determine who the attackers may have been: many different groups would have the same "tool kit" because of Stalin's practice of mass incarceration, where political dissidents would be thrown in with common criminals and psychopaths.

..................................
prisoners..........................
..................

...................................
 running prisoners in the conditions of winter Northern Ural Mountains. .
....................


°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

I do not suspect the prisoners from some distant Gulag camp. The prisoners, who are often called Zeks in international literature, were well guarded continuously night and day.

But after Stalin's death in 1953, first Beria and then Khrushchev ordered mass releases ;
and within a few years the population of the zeks was halved: 2 million zeks became 1 million zeks + 1 million ex-zeks.

The liberated people, often called ex-zeks, were in principle free men, but there were many different administrative statutes.
To put it simply, an ex-zek was almost as free as an ordinary Soviet citizen.

 A certain proportion of these ex-zeks found themselves in unsuitable material and moral conditions.
    • This caused social difficulties in Soviet society between 1953 and 1964.
    • This contributed to the fall of Khrushchev to Brezhnev in 1964.

The attackers, who were ex-zeks, had no material difficulties in catching (joining) the hikers on the slope of the Kholat Syakhl on the evening of 1 February 1959.
 

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

The attackers came from the Vizhay region, maybe even simply from settlement 41.

The attackers lived in houses that were comfortable for the time (1959): good food, plenty of firewood, maybe sturdy furniture.

The attackers could have been under house arrest. They had to check in every fortnight, they could only go to certain small towns. But they could work, move around, wander freely in the (big) forest (without going outside certain boundaries).

The attackers knew the route planned for the Dyatloc group because the hikers had (too much) talked about it at Vizhay, at the settlement, at the Rempel forester...

In 1959 there remained in the vicinity of Vizhay a small proportion of ex-zeks or former political prisoners who had many good reasons to hate the Soviet regime and who were ready to continue their patriotic struggle.

It is difficult to know if these were: Chechens, Ingush, Crimean Tatars, Poles, Czechoslovakians, Hungarians, Romanians, Moldovans, Ukrainians, Koreans, Germans, Bulgarians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians... or from other countries.


One of the goals of the hike was "Conducting conversations and reports among the population."
It became easy (but not without risks) for a certain number (3?, 4?) of ex-zeks to improvise, in a few days, a spectacular action to galvanize opposition to this Stalinist propaganda.

From Vizhay to North-2 the journey is made fatigue-free in a motor vehicle or in a horse-drawn sleigh


cf Atmanaki, Sheet 209 :
In Vizhay arrived around noon, ...and agreed in the car park that a passing car we will take us to the village of IInd North, the easiest starting point to go on the route.

From North-2 to the tent, the trace left by the 9 hikers is clearly visible and easy to follow, in less than one day, (except maybe the last mile on the slope of the Kholat Syakhl).


Here is the photographic proof of the existence of pursuers that many investigators want to ignore !

Everything indicates that it is a human being who was only visible for a very short time and then disappeared immediately.



The attackers, who had no guns and no daggers, with difficulty succeeded in defeating the hikers, after 9 hours of fighting in the snow and at night.

This is why I will henceforth send my argumentation in the Topic: "Altercation on the pass" ( and not on Murdered).


You use up a lot of space to SPECULATE WILDLY.  You provide no EVIDENCE to back up your ASSERTIONS.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 02:56:03 AM by Teddy »
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June 03, 2020, 04:49:34 PM
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Everything indicates that it is a human being who was only visible for a very short time and then disappeared immediately.



Yes, it is human being and almost for sure it is Tibo. Why?
- The colors of pants / jacket are same as wear Tibo - darker pants and a bit lighter jacket,
- on all of the 4 previous photos is Tibo,
- Tibo doesn't wear skies on the previews photos so probably went out because "call of nature"
- white balance / exposure is exactly the same as the 4 previous photos so must be from same place / same time,
- why is blur? looks like some problem with camera, there are another 4 photos on this camera that are very blur.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 02:56:23 AM by Teddy »

June 09, 2020, 02:30:42 PM
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Everything indicates that it is a human being who was only visible for a very short time and then disappeared immediately.



Yes, it is human being and almost for sure it is Tibo. Why?
- The colors of pants / jacket are same as wear Tibo - darker pants and a bit lighter jacket,
- on all of the 4 previous photos is Tibo,
- Tibo doesn't wear skies on the previews photos so probably went out because "call of nature"
- white balance / exposure is exactly the same as the 4 previous photos so must be from same place / same time,
- why is blur? looks like some problem with camera, there are another 4 photos on this camera that are very blur.

The snow looks about 2 foot deep. The figure is leaning forwards. That would mean the figure is probably well over 6 foot tall.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 03:08:21 AM by Teddy »
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June 18, 2020, 08:42:19 AM
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Yes, it is human being and almost for sure it is Tibo. Why?
- The colors of pants / jacket are same as wear Tibo - darker pants and a bit lighter jacket,
- on all of the 4 previous photos is Tibo,
- Tibo doesn't wear skies on the previews photos so probably went out because "call of nature"
- white balance / exposure is exactly the same as the 4 previous photos so must be from same place / same time,
- why is blur? looks like some problem with camera, there are another 4 photos on this camera that are very blur.

Your arguments for the fact that photo No. 17 actually represents Tibo are worthwhile, but are not absolute proof.
 IHMO doubt remains.

  •••  The colors of pants / jacket are same as wear Tibo - darker pants and a bit lighter jacket,

In 1959, in the USSR, there was not much choice in the clothing. A large proportion of people wore dark pants and light jackets.

Tibo's lighter jacket seems to descend a little lower than that of the No. 17 figure.


  •••  on all of the 4 previous photos is Tibo,

This argument is weak because after taking 3 pictures of himself it is possible that he could have triggered his camera by seeing a sudden and unexpected appearance.

  •••  Tibo doesn't wear skies on the previews photos so probably went out because "call of nature"

    a) It is difficult to know if figure No. 17 is not on his skis.

    b) In this case, the distance between the camera and the object is long. If it is Tibo who appears on picture No. 17, the timer had to be set for a long time and also the camera had to be precisely oriented for the framing of the picture to be correct. Why after all these worries Tibo would not have adjusted the focus correctly ?   
 
  •••  white balance / exposure is exactly the same as the 4 previous photos so must be from same place / same time,

    a) No one disagrees that the photos grouped under the heading "Film ?3 - 17 photos, photographer unknown (most likely Thibault-Brignolle)", were taken with the same camera. 
    b) The "white balance/exposure" is mostly set during the printing and enlargement process on photo paper in laboratory.

    c) It would therefore be necessary to examine the negative which is in the archives; I have not examined it.

  •••  why is blur? looks like some problem with camera, there are another 4 photos on this camera that are very blur.
 
More likely, the camera has no defect, but it is Tibo who is not careful and does not take the time to adjust the focus when he could (should) do so.

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For me there is also another argument to think that photo N° 17 is Tibo.
 According to a remark by alecsandros : if figure N°17 was a stranger with unusual behavior then the hikers would have been more or less worried.
They would then have left the tent the next day (February 1, 1959) holding in their hands the axes and the ice axe...etc, in order to defend themselves against possible attackers.

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The snow looks about 2 foot deep. The figure is leaning forwards. That would mean the figure is probably well over 6 foot tall.

Personally I am unable to estimate the size of the figure N° 17.

 "6 foot tall" = 183 cm 
According to the autopsy report Tibo is : "174 cm in length".

( https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=23.0 ---> Sheet 352 )

The difference between 183 cm and 174 cm is small. Tibo or not Tibo? Doubt remains.

Once again, it is impossible to reach a firm conclusion  !

« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 03:09:27 AM by Teddy »
Jean Daniel Reuss

Rational guidance =

• There is nothing supernatural and mysterious about the injuries suffered by the Dyatlov group. They are all consistent with an attack by a group of professional killers who wanted to take the lives of the nine  [Per Inge Oestmoen].

• Now let us search for answers to: WHO ? WHY ? HOW ?

• The scenario must be consistent with the historical, political and psychological  contexts.

• The solution takes in consideration all known findings.

June 18, 2020, 04:13:23 PM
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All the murder theories have the same flaws:
- No footprints. You say they were "trained to leave no trace", but that doesn't give you the ability to fly. We're talking about enough people to take down 9 young and fit athletes - it would take a small army and it seems unlikely they'd leave no trace. I'll admit the footprints are poorly documented though, so let's dig deeper.

-They are trained to leave as little evidence they were there as they could.
-They have plenty of time to go back and cover most of their tracks later on in the day(s) immediately after the attack.
-They didn't need to follow the hikers if they had weapons that had significant range advantage(rifles) so 6 men would be sufficient if 4 of them were far enough away to make it extremely unlikely to overwhelm the entire attacking group.
-They had no reason to worry, initially it was a rescue mission so the search party was more concerned with finding the hikers rather than documenting the scene.

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- Zolotaryov had a notebook in his hand a camera around his neck. Why would the attackers let him have a camera with potentially incriminating evidence?
Because they went back and checked the bodies during the daylight, nothing was written on the notepad or they would have taken it and there was likely an easy way to ensure that the film is destroyed without leaving evidence of intentionally destroying it.



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- The injuries of the Ravine 4 are massive internal trauma with no damage to soft tissue. Autopsy reports confirm this couldn't have been caused by another human.
By the time the autoposy was done on the 4 in the Ravine, the decision was made that it was an accident so saying anything else would have been counter productive. The rest of the injuries were very obviously from a fight, so the 4 in the Ravine would have had to get the injuries from somewhere, either from falling on a rock, being hit by an animal or a human.
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- The group was obviously alive for a while after leaving the tent. They built a fire and presumably dug out the den. It appears that they did not die all at once and that the longest surviving took the clothing of the Yuris, who died first. Why would the attackers let them do that?
They wanted to make ti appear as natural as possible, they send them out in the cold with no clothes hoping the cold weather solves their problem only the group showed they were more resilient and the attackers had to resort to other means.
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- The attackers would surely have a use for the food and equipment belonging to the group, but it was left untouched in the tent. Why?
Because then it becomes a very obvious murder, if all of their food, equipment, money and watches were missing it becomes an obvious case of murder.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 03:09:44 AM by Teddy »

June 18, 2020, 04:17:47 PM
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+ Also a mention that money was found in the snow near the cedar (Atmanaki , sheet 216) why would a hiker keep 8 rubles in a pocket, and throw it away before dying? Except if you beg your murderer to accept money for life?
Maybe using the money to start a fire.
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June 18, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
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But why would any body contemplating Murder wait until the Dyatlov Group were in such an exposed location where erasing evidence would be more difficult,etc. Plenty of remote more likely places to commit Murder while on the way to the Mountain that the Dyatlov Group were heading for.

Because they were stripped of their clothes, it was dark and they were in an exposed location. If they attacked while the group is on the move there would always be the chance one or more of them escape, and since they would be on skies and fully clothed they would have a chance to get to civilization. There is also the fact that they wanted them to appear to die of natural causes which required time, on a trail there is always the chance that someone would come across them while the murder was ongoing and either be witnesses or more bodies to worry about. With the tent they could do a recce around the surrounding area to make sure no one was there. Once the deed was done, some of the killers would be placed in advanced position to warn of more people coming and the others would be covering their tracks.
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June 19, 2020, 01:29:05 AM
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In my country, after the communists came, many people/former WW2 soldiers went in the mountains forming anti-communist resistance groups(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_anti-communist_resistance_movement).
One event has come to my mind recently related to one resistance group, and the events are somehow similar:

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The death of the undercover tourists
September 2, 1950. Toma Arnăuţoiu, Petre Arnăuţoiu, Constantin Jubleanu and Ion Marinescu meet with tourists Aurel Bârsan, Băş Ghervase, Neniu Dumitru, Venter Teodor and Maria Tiron on Gălăşescu Mountain. Educate to be circumspect with any unknown, the four interogate the to the strangers until they revealed them. Tourists were undercover Security Agents. Aurel Barsan is the only one left alive.
https://www.historia.ro/sectiune/general/articol/tragica-epopee-a-lui-toma-arnautoiu-eroul-din-munti

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On September 2, 1950, the terrorists Arnauţoiu Toma, Arnăuţoiu Petre, Marinescu Ion and Jubleanu Constantin attacked with arms a group of people on the tourist route Sîmbăta-Moldoveanu, at the point named Piscul Călăşescului, bestially murdering four people and namely: security platoon Băiş Ghervase, Neniu Petre, worker, PCR member, engineer Venţer Teodor and student Tiron Maria. After they murdered them, the terrorists robbed them of the objects they had on them, stripped them and then run, hiding at one of the hut they had in the mountains. Student Tiron Maria, being only injured, was eventually shot dead with bullets in her heart and her head. "
Secret Service Report - https://adevarul.ro/locale/constanta/militienii-eroi-aventurile-romantate-reusit-gruparea-arsenescu-arnautoiu-ucida-mai-securisti-traseu-turistic-1_5b488b76df52022f752cf567/index.html


I'm not familiar with the resistance groups in Russia in the '50's, but what if Dyatlov Group met, let's say, a group of people that was "not happy" about it's location made public/reported to the authorities and this group acted more intelligent than the Romanian resistance group from the example above, leaving no traces.

The people forming this group was trained to live in the mountains and to leave no traces in order not to be found by the authorities, that's why we have no footprints other than the tourist's footprints. Well, maybe they have missed one footprint :

They find the hikers, they cut the tent and order them to come out and to go in the cedar area (this zone was protected from the wind, so it was easier to interogate te students there). Tent cut from inside? Maybe not. A I read, the first search team made itself some cuts in the tent and I didn't find in the report anything about this... so maybe the report is wrong. Or maybe the hikers have made also some cuts in order co come out quicker.

Three hikers didn't made it until the cedar, they try to fight the members of the resistance group, they are beaten and left in the snow where they die.
The rest of the hikers are "interrogated" under the cedar : tho of them are stripped by their clothes in order for the others to say if they are secret service agents. The two stripped hikers die.
After this they applied another torture : submerging the bodies in freezing water/cutting tongue / beating. After all the hikers show no signs of life, they cover their own traces leave.

Radiations? Well, the bomb or whatever it was exploded in the area on 17 February. So the contamination could have been made after the death of the hikers.

What Country are you from  ?   I think as many others would say this particular Theory is another variation on the theme of Murder. And the Dyatlov Group appear to be good Communists, etc. The area that they traveled through has no records of anti communist activity.

"The area that they traveled through has no records of anti communist activity."

Gosh, aren't u just dense, they basically said that Gulag prisons are just nearby the area where the hikers have been. That alone is a potential factor. What's your take on the case anyhow? I bet yours are the ridiculous avalanche and bigfoot theories
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June 19, 2020, 01:33:12 AM
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Very interesting.

Also an aspect in which I suspect Russians are unwilling to discuss regarding this matter.

Very true. That's why I think this case will just never be solved, unless the hikers themselves rise up from their graves and tell what happened to them that night. And all of us are going to just speculate and wonder whatever happened to them that night until we all die.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 03:10:46 AM by Teddy »

June 22, 2020, 02:15:02 PM
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The snow looks about 2 foot deep. The figure is leaning forwards. That would mean the figure is probably well over 6 foot tall.

Personally I am unable to estimate the size of the figure N° 17.

 "6 foot tall" = 183 cm 
According to the autopsy report Tibo is : "174 cm in length".

( https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=23.0 ---> Sheet 352 )

The difference between 183 cm and 174 cm is small. Tibo or not Tibo? Doubt remains.

Once again, it is impossible to reach a firm conclusion  !


Well the figure in the photo looks OVER 6 FOOT TALL.  Maybe  6 foot 2 inches.   Iam about that tall.  Add about 1 or 2 foot for the snow and that can not be one of the Dyatlov Group.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 03:10:55 AM by Teddy »
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June 23, 2020, 11:09:07 PM
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Everything indicates that it is a human being who was only visible for a very short time and then disappeared immediately.



Yes, it is human being and almost for sure it is Tibo. Why?
- The colors of pants / jacket are same as wear Tibo - darker pants and a bit lighter jacket,
- on all of the 4 previous photos is Tibo,
- Tibo doesn't wear skies on the previews photos so probably went out because "call of nature"
- white balance / exposure is exactly the same as the 4 previous photos so must be from same place / same time,
- why is blur? looks like some problem with camera, there are another 4 photos on this camera that are very blur.

The snow looks about 2 foot deep. The figure is leaning forwards. That would mean the figure is probably well over 6 foot tall.
Snow looks to be no more than 1 1/2 feet deep, right at knee level for the person. Which would make him ~6 feet tall +/- a few inches. Dead giveaway is the holster on the left hip.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 03:11:03 AM by Teddy »

June 25, 2020, 03:30:34 AM
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Snow looks to be no more than 1 1/2 feet deep, right at knee level for the person. Which would make him ~6 feet tall +/- a few inches. Dead giveaway is the holster on the left hip.
To the best of my knowledge, Thibeaux was about 175cm in height (5 feet 8 inches). The silhouette appears to be having snow below it's knees, therefore it is taller then 190cm IMHO.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 03:11:24 AM by Teddy »

June 27, 2020, 05:39:16 PM
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Everything indicates that it is a human being who was only visible for a very short time and then disappeared immediately.



Yes, it is human being and almost for sure it is Tibo. Why?
- The colors of pants / jacket are same as wear Tibo - darker pants and a bit lighter jacket,
- on all of the 4 previous photos is Tibo,
- Tibo doesn't wear skies on the previews photos so probably went out because "call of nature"
- white balance / exposure is exactly the same as the 4 previous photos so must be from same place / same time,
- why is blur? looks like some problem with camera, there are another 4 photos on this camera that are very blur.

The snow looks about 2 foot deep. The figure is leaning forwards. That would mean the figure is probably well over 6 foot tall.
Snow looks to be no more than 1 1/2 feet deep, right at knee level for the person. Which would make him ~6 feet tall +/- a few inches. Dead giveaway is the holster on the left hip.

But the figure looks to be about 6 foot from the snowline to the  top of the head. So adding another foot at least, still gives you 7 foot.  Meaning that that can not be one of the Dyatlov Group. Unless the figure is only about 5 foot from the snowline to the top of the head  !  ?  But it doesnt look like 5 foot to me.
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June 30, 2020, 11:37:55 PM
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To the best of my knowledge, Thibeaux was about 175cm in height (5 feet 8 inches). The silhouette appears to be having snow below it's knees, therefore it is taller then 190cm IMHO.

His left leg looks to be bent, so I will assume that is the knee level which would put the right leg in knee deep snow and left leg which is in the tracks of the skis at about ankle deep to slightly above ankle.
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June 30, 2020, 11:46:57 PM
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But the figure looks to be about 6 foot from the snowline to the  top of the head. So adding another foot at least, still gives you 7 foot.  Meaning that that can not be one of the Dyatlov Group. Unless the figure is only about 5 foot from the snowline to the top of the head  !  ?  But it doesnt look like 5 foot to me.
We can see where the knee is, proportionally it looks like a human. From the knee down it looks to be about an 18-20 inch height and it doesn't look like there are another 72+ inches above the knee for it to indicate anything other than human.
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July 01, 2020, 04:42:34 AM
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But the figure looks to be about 6 foot from the snowline to the  top of the head. So adding another foot at least, still gives you 7 foot.  Meaning that that can not be one of the Dyatlov Group. Unless the figure is only about 5 foot from the snowline to the top of the head  !  ?  But it doesnt look like 5 foot to me.
We can see where the knee is, proportionally it looks like a human. From the knee down it looks to be about an 18-20 inch height and it doesn't look like there are another 72+ inches above the knee for it to indicate anything other than human.

Well I suppose its got to be an educated guess that any of us make, because we dont have the benefit of being there at that exact location. And of course we dont know exactly where or when that photo was taken.
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July 01, 2020, 10:09:07 PM
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Well I suppose its got to be an educated guess that any of us make, because we dont have the benefit of being there at that exact location. And of course we dont know exactly where or when that photo was taken.

It could very well have been a joke picture taken during a break as "proof" of the yeti, or it could have been someone coming back from a bathroom break. Chances are overwhelmingly in favour of it being a human, whether someone following them or this was one of the members of the group.
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September 17, 2020, 09:52:07 AM
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