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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 07:19:44 AM »

Ziljoe, good to read your reply. Do you get the sense that Zolo's exhumation moves the needle on this mystery? Assuming the remains are his, I suppose nothing but bone was found. No embedded rocks, no rocket, nor bomb shards, no lead and no suspiciously high levels of radiation on hands or anywhere else. I have a distinct feeling this thread reinforces those who advocate for conspiracy, seeking proof from those bones.

If I read the forensic report on DyatlovPass.com correctly, he was dead before any healing could commence. And that points to post mortem crushing injuries.

I try to keep an open mind. It would be great if there were obvious discrepancies, like a completely different description from the autopsy of the teeth for example. Such facts would guide us all in a similar direction, but alas, we have nothing conclusive.

I do look at the photos and try to find anything that would contradict the statements, autopsy and reports etc but ultimately everything seems to be as said. For example, Zina has a comb in her pocket with two broken teeth, this is reported and we can see it in a photo. Slobodin is reported to have had two insoles under his jumper, in his thawed photo by the window, we can see a raised area under the jumper that is most likely the insoles. For me, It's this accuracy that makes it difficult to believe that there's any cover up and by that , I mean with regards to those doing the searching and autopsies , dental observations, skull fractures, missing eyes/tongue etc , it's all reported to be seen and known by the public when it could have been hidden. The details are there and they seem to match up in the most part, including the diary entries , chronological order of events. We just don't have an answer for why the hikers would leave their tent poorly equipped, all we have is nature to blame but I fully understand the approach that it may have been outsiders , but again, there's nothing conclusive.

I'm not expert enough to understand the autopsy  and I'm not sure about when healing starts or stops. Could the cause of the rib fractures be at the actual time of death? If so , could that also reflect the same results of there being no healing?.

My point being, if it was a tree that crushed them or the collapse of a snow cave in the ravine, this would or could have been instant death? .

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General Discussion / Re: Avalanche theory

« Last post by WinterLeia on Today at 04:17:39 AM »

There only thing Occam’s Razorish about the avalanche theory, or slab slip theory, if you prefer, is that weather and nature-related theories don’t require as many assumptions as, say, murder or military testing

Quite right.  The most consistent with Occam's principle are those explanations of existing facts  that contain the fewest number of assumptions. That's exactly what I meant.

shouldn’t base your theory on the non-existent evidence.

None of the existing hypotheses has evidence. And most likely, they will no longer exist. All we can use in our search for truth are arguments.

Verdict on what caused the hikers to flee the tent: An unknown compelling force. That is the only theory that fits all evidence and requires the least amount of assumptions.

Thanks, Partog. You’re the only one who gets the point I was trying to make. While I don’t agree with the avalanche theory, I don’t have a problem with G & P believing it and writing a research paper, Nor do I have a problem with people agreeing with them and voicing their opinions. The absolutely frustrating thing about this case is that, other than Big Foot and alien visitors (in my opinion), no theory can be completely ruled out, although some obviously are far better than others. But that only bolsters my point. Since a lot of people who read research papers or books or watch documentaries about the tragedy do it because they have neither the time nor the inclination to deep dive into the source material, they are trusting you to present a fair and accurate case for your theory. True, it would always be way better to do the research for yourself. But many people don’t, and it doesn’t help anything to mislead the audience by not presenting both sides of the case and then let their audience be the jury. All it does is breed distrust. Especially is this the case, if you’re an expert in the field or the one responsible for putting the official report together, since opinions of such people carry far more weight than most everyone else. That’s the main reason why I tend to harp on the avalanche theory.

And I have to admit that after reading Teddy’s book, I was also skeptical of that theory. But I found her to be far more balanced and fair, in comparison to G & P. Even more admirably, she lets us discuss other theories on the forum, and thus provides the back and forth one needs to come to an informed decision, especially in the face of a supreme lack of evidence and not even knowing if what evidence we have relates to the tragedy.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Олег Таймень on May 10, 2024, 11:26:29 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Олег Таймень on May 10, 2024, 10:41:23 PM »

Here expert Nikitin takes Zolotarev’s sternum in his hand and we see that it is solid. In addition, the expert does not say that this is only part of the sternum.
https://youtu.be/SBnXzfUFZbk?t=475

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Олег Таймень on May 10, 2024, 09:40:47 PM »

It is difficult to tell from this photograph whether part of the sternum was cut out. Probably only a specialist can say for sure.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by GlennM on May 10, 2024, 09:09:25 PM »

Ziljoe, good to read your reply. Do you get the sense that Zolo's exhumation moves the needle on this mystery? Assuming the remains are his, I suppose nothing but bone was found. No embedded rocks, no rocket, nor bomb shards, no lead and no suspiciously high levels of radiation on hands or anywhere else. I have a distinct feeling this thread reinforces those who advocate for conspiracy, seeking proof from those bones.

If I read the forensic report on DyatlovPass.com correctly, he was dead before any healing could commence. And that points to post mortem crushing injuries.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 10, 2024, 05:11:19 PM »

I understood your point Glennm. If there was a recorded discrepancy of any significance in height then there my be some argument in who is in the grave. Everything seems to be as it was recorded by those in 1959.

If I remember correctly, the exhumation was done by request of Zolotarev's family , this was independent to the mystery, although there might have been some outside pressure to do so. I'm sure this has been discussed in threads on the forum. ( I remember looking ).

The autopsy reports seem to be consistent with what we find, that includes who was wearing what , what was in their pockets and under their clothes.

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General Discussion / Re: The exhumation is not Semyon Zolotarev

« Last post by GlennM on May 10, 2024, 04:50:34 PM »

My point was to add grist to the mill. If the skeleton is consistent with his height,  so be it. If not, another nail in the coffin.
I still believe it odd for these bones to be dug up and looked over. So far whatever they were supposed to prove has made no significant impact one way or another. If you don't know where you are going, how will you know when you arrive?

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General Discussion / Re: Are these new photos ?

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 10, 2024, 10:47:17 AM »

I see you have added them on . Many thanks. Its useful to see if theres anything odd or corroborates what was reported.

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General Discussion / Re: Are these new photos ?

« Last post by Teddy on May 10, 2024, 10:35:58 AM »

No, but I didn't have them published. Now I do.
https://dyatlovpass.com/post-mortem