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General Discussion / Re: Quick medical question
« Last post by Manti on October 11, 2021, 06:37:01 PM »
It's not just Rustem, if you compare the photos of two Yuris under the tree vs thawed in the morgue, for example, it's the same effect.
 Unfortunately I don't know the medical reason.
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General Discussion / Quick medical question
« Last post by PghRunner on October 11, 2021, 05:43:47 PM »
Hello,

I just had a quick question on the autopsy photos of Rustik--in the first photos, when he still has snow on him, it looks like the skin is burned (from frostbite, I assume) and somewhat hunkered down.  However, the last two autopsy pictures seem to be when the body had thawed.  His skin looks perfect, as if he was just laying there.  Does anyone know what would cause this difference?  I don't think that the burns from frost bite/edema would go away to the point the skin looked "normal."  Or is this just a trick of the lighting?  It just strikes me as odd, since he was found face down and the initial pictures make him look unrecognizable.

Thank you!
Heather
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General Discussion / Re: New hardcover. Signing books thru October 27.
« Last post by RidgeWatcher on October 10, 2021, 11:51:24 AM »
Good news to hear Teddy, a hardback edition for the Library,better for re-reads and references. Thanks.
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General Discussion / Re: Why they abandon tent, clothes and objects ?
« Last post by Jean Daniel Reuss on October 09, 2021, 04:00:01 PM »
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anganontaolo  : General Discussion > Why they abandon tent, clothes and objects ? --> August 08, 2021, 01:37:35 AM  - Reply #3
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=978.msg16436#msg16436
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No matter if the force was very great, these tourists should be vigilant as they were experienced.
They were on a mountain where the wind blows very strongly (initially this place was not planned in advance). Their tent had to be attached to two trees but not with a pair of skis. In addition, they did not use their stove so it was very cold in this tent.
So why haven't they already put warm clothes in this tent? Warm clothes should be near them where they sleep.
Have they ever thought of attacks and getting ready to defend themselves against it? or else they believed that indeed there is no crime in paradise (socialist paradise) as Stalin said.

===> Why they abandon tent, clothes and objects ?

Because the 3 attackers (who can be qualified as murderers or mercenary killers) benefited from a total or almost total surprise effect.


===> No matter if the force was very great,

The hasty exit from the tent without adequate equipment could easily be explained by the atmosphere (air) inside suddenly becoming unbreathable: suffocating smoke pot - or wolverine according to the theory of Igor B.
(What is more difficult to explain is the descent - which seems to have been slow and calm - to the cedar, without the necessary equipment.)

===> these tourists should be vigilant as they were experienced.

Indeed, a good principle of security is to always remember that the greatest danger is the one that we did not, or could not, foresee.

Thus, for example, in the military field it is recommended, when possible, to launch a surprise attack on the enemy on the nights of festivities or during a storm.

Lupos, who is not a supporter of the criminal theories, presents good arguments to justify that the attack took place taking advantage of a local storm: temperature = -50 °C and wind = 35 m/s.
 See : Catabatic wind....
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=542.0

===> They were on a mountain where the wind blows....

Because they had taken several days to reach the slope of Kholat Syakhl (heavy bags, soft and deep snow, unknown route....) the hikers believed that they were far enough from inhabited places to no longer fear a human attack.

It was a mistake and a fatal illusion, because in fact the troika of the attackers took less than a day to reach the hikers by following their deep track from North-2.

===> So why haven't they already put warm clothes in this tent? Warm clothes should be near them where they sleep.
===> The risk was very great on this mountain and essential items should be ready if ever a problem arises: clothes, flashlight, ax, knife, etc ...
===> Have they ever thought of attacks and getting ready to defend themselves against it?

===> or else they believed that indeed there is no crime in paradise (socialist paradise) as Stalin said.

The illusion of living in « a socialist paradise » was maintained by the entire official state system (and in particular by the UPI route commission), which was trying to hide or minimize the internal unrest or difficulties of the USSR in 1959, during the Khrushchev thaw.

The period was characterized by the release of dangerous individuals caused by the uncontrolled dismantling of the Gulag, much to the displeasure of Stalinist officers in charge of the guarding of the camps ; (in this case the Ivdellag).

••• Remark N° 1 •••

I added effect of " almost total surprise " because it allowed to suppose that the 4 of the Den were a little mistrustful of the fact that they seem to have been the most warmly dressed at the time of the exit of the tent.

The 4 of Den were also probably the most educated and the most realistic in the field of the internal politics of the USSR.

  • Zolotariov had the experience of 4 years of war on the Eastern Front (in this case, it must be assumed that there was no substitution of identity).

  • Thibeaux-Brignole : In 1931 his father Vladimir Iosifovich Thibeaux-Brignolle and sent to SIBLAG,...In June 1933 Vladimir Iosifovich was reincarnated [rehabilitated ?] and transferred to the position of chief of the technical department in the mining area ....In 1938, Vladimir Iosifovich was sent to the deep taiga, to Gornaya Shoriya for heavy work... After all the trials, losses and humiliations, Vladimir Iosifovich's strength was undermined. He ... died... in September 1943.

  • Kolevatov : Stay in Moscow and indirectly witnessed discussions between some leaders or patrons of technological research programs.

  • Dubinina :Dispute or opposition in Vizhay (January 25 and 26) with the sponsor (client) of the February 1 attack by the troika of mercenary killers.

Thus it is probable that the 4 of the Den wanted to hide, while the 5 others, unaware of the inexorable exterminating will of the attackers, were quickly located by lighting a fire to warm up.

••• Remark N° 2 •••

The attentive reader of this forum will notice that this post, which wants to be an answer to anganontaolo , Reply #3, is in accordance with the TOK theory.

TOK theory = Eduard Tumanov + Per Inge Oestmoen + Aleks Kandr = surprise attack in order to kill or relentless "Altercation on the pass"
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General Discussion / New hardcover. Signing books thru October 27.
« Last post by Teddy on October 06, 2021, 12:55:33 PM »

1079 The overwhelming force of Dyatlov Pass

New Hardcover. Signing book thru October 27.

I will be signing books through October 27. If you send your books to:

Morpheus
8020 S. Rainbow Bl. #342
Las Vegas, NV 89139
USA

indicating ​to whom to sign the book to and your mailing address, I will sign and send the book back to you.
​You can do this straight from Amazon. ​Ship to the address above and write your info in the Gift card at the checkout.
Make sure I get the book no later than October 2​7, 2021. After that I will be off to my next adventure in the Alps.

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General Discussion / Re: Photographs
« Last post by time2fly on October 05, 2021, 01:31:05 PM »
I see. Now I have read the US government's pre-assessment of UAP/UFO phenomena: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf
Contains virtually no information, but still worth a read it's quite short.

Excellent, thank you. Will include parts of it in my my next book edition, like this important one:

"Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion.  In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings."

To me the witness accounts in the Dyatlov case about "UAP"s just don't add up. Some are clearly describing a meteorite/space debris/rocket stage burning up in the atmosphere. But there is the account of the sky looking like an imminent collision with another planet? And the bright "divine presence" lingering for minutes among the mountains? Others appear to describe atmospheric nuclear tests but there were none conducted during the DPI. And then there is the "searchlight reacting to human gaze"..
It's hard to tell which ones are genuine contemporary observations and which ones are from people trying to seek attention...

Most of them are authentic. But everyone sees something different, according to his education, age, experience, religious belief and profession bias. A member of the millitary will see a rocket, a religious person an angel, a physicists a plasma ball and a science fiction fan a UFO. I don't want to quote my book too often but "The Dyatlov Pass Mystery - NOT A Cold Case" explains what is behind these accounts. A celestial phenomenon that baffles science up to date and manifests itsself through different states and properties. Some of them can be found in the Pentagon declassified document (see quote above). I list over 100 such accounts and analyze the most important ones. To me there is absolutely no doubt that the Dyatlovs were chased out of their tent by this.

Nevertheless the photographs are nothing but magnified dust and scratches on the film. Capturing a meteorite or nuclear explosion on the cameras they had would have been almost impossible anyway, it would probably just result in a completely overexposed white photo, like trying to photograph the Sun.

Not all of them. Valentin Yakimenko does tend to overdo it in my opinion, concerning his frame analysis. But the most famous ones we all know are already enough evidence. They are analyzed in detail in my book. I do believe I can contribute with my mountaineering and image analysis background.
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General Discussion / Re: Photographs
« Last post by Paf on October 05, 2021, 01:03:34 PM »
Capturing a meteorite or nuclear explosion on the cameras they had would have been almost impossible anyway, it would probably just result in a completely overexposed white photo, like trying to photograph the Sun.
Not quite : They had manual film camera, not modern ones. No automatics settings. If the camera was set to take day-time picture, the picture would be overall under-exposed. Still, it's true the core of the light spot could be over-exposed, but not automatically depending on the light.
A nuclear explosion might have over-exposed quite a large portion of the picture, but a meteorite would not.
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Semyon Zolotaryov / Re: Could Zolotaryov be a saboteur?
« Last post by Manti on October 05, 2021, 11:35:00 AM »

Thus you begin to understand  that the DPI is a serious failure for the KGB, which has proved to be incompetent and incapable of protecting the lives of the 9 "little Princes of Technology of the new SSSR" i.e. the "graduates of the premier technical college during a nuclear Cold War" .

I don't understand this, we are talking about a group of young adults who went on a ski trip. Why would it be the KGB's responsibility to protect them, and from whom would they even need to be protected?   


And the NKVD was disbanded in 1946, thirteen years before the Dyatlov incident.
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General Discussion / Re: Photographs
« Last post by Manti on October 05, 2021, 11:02:44 AM »
I see. Now I have read the US government's pre-assessment of UAP/UFO phenomena: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

Contains virtually no information, but still worth a read it's quite short.

To me the witness accounts in the Dyatlov case about "UAP"s just don't add up. Some are clearly describing a meteorite/space debris/rocket stage burning up in the atmosphere. But there is the account of the sky looking like an imminent collision with another planet? And the bright "divine presence" lingering for minutes among the mountains? Others appear to describe atmospheric nuclear tests but there were none conducted during the DPI. And then there is the "searchlight reacting to human gaze"..


It's hard to tell which ones are genuine contemporary observations and which ones are from people trying to seek attention...

Nevertheless the photographs are nothing but magnified dust and scratches on the film. Capturing a meteorite or nuclear explosion on the cameras they had would have been almost impossible anyway, it would probably just result in a completely overexposed white photo, like trying to photograph the Sun.
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General Discussion / Re: Photographs
« Last post by time2fly on October 03, 2021, 02:41:36 AM »
What does UAPs mean?
Unidentified ___? photographs?

Unidentified Aerial Phenomea. It's a more scientific word for UFO. A celestial phenomena is not automatically a "flying object".
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