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General Discussion / Re: Inconsistencies in photos of finding the tent
« Last post by RMK on Today at 03:45:05 PM »
Again it is a concern to me that the case files are in English and there is no Russian copies of the transcript. This can raise a question mark over its authenticity.
Huh?  Do you mean on this page, https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-388-392 ?  You need only click on the little Russian flag icons on that page to see what appear to be the original Russian-language documents.
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General Discussion / Re: Nurse Solter...again
« Last post by Axelrod on Today at 08:23:33 AM »
It seems to me that the last message has nothing to do with Nurse Solter and her testimony.
(Maybe. it shoull be a comment on Book 1079.)
Nurse Solter, say nothing about the broken ribs and their number.
I understand that readers have random thoughts, but they disappear in inappropriate topics...
For better systematization of the forum? it would be better if participants would write messages in appropriate topics.
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General Discussion / Re: Nurse Solter...again
« Last post by Arjan on Today at 08:05:48 AM »
Comment on '1079'

Two books on this case I use as secundairy reference source from time to time:
- a copy of '1079'
- a copy of the work by the journalists' collective Aleksej Rakitin.

Both highly recommended, although both works have their merits and flaws.

Coming back to 1079: in case the theory a stated at page 339 had taken place, then:
option 1: either the broken ribcage of Lyudmila as visible on the photo of the mortuary should be compressed, like similar like the ribcage of Semyon
Option 2: or the photo of Lyudmila in the mortuary had been manipulated in order to show her on the photo with a non-compressed ribcage.

As investigator, I cannot retrieve what factually had taken place: option 1 or option 2.

In case a heavy, relative slow moving object had hit the ribcage of Lyudmila in a fatal manner: this should be visible on the photo (or the photo has been 'photoshopped')
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General Discussion / Re: Nurse Solter...again
« Last post by SURI on Today at 02:48:20 AM »
So the pictures aren't working for me, so I have to do it like this.

I don't know if it's possible to tell from this photo whether Zolotaryov is holding a pencil, but the strap wrapped around his hand is clearly visible. I also think he died where he was found.

https://prosecutorspodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/zolotaryov-camera-18.jpg?w=500


Another thing we didn't realize was, for example, Slobodin's position and the livor mortis spots found on the back of his body. However, he could not have died in this position on his back (with his legs in the air). Even in the morgue, their legs must be supported. Therefore, I do not assume that he was turned over by someone.

https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Rustem-Slobodin-post-mortem-12.jpg


Zinaida probably couldn't have died on her back in this position either.

https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Zinaida-Kolmogorova-post-mortem-4.jpg


And this photo may show how Nurse Solter might have perceived dirtiness. Look at Rustem's face.


https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Rustem-Slobodin-post-mortem-14.jpg
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General Discussion / Re: Nurse Solter...again
« Last post by SURI on Today at 12:44:00 AM »
I want to send some photos, but it's not working right now. So I have to wait.
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General Discussion / Re: Nurse Solter...again
« Last post by GlennM on February 13, 2025, 09:41:23 PM »
"The body's were decaying, we can see from the photos from the ravine four that they were under water, I would suspect that any note pad found would be a soggy mess after 3 months submerged. ( Something I've never thought about before or read  ) ."

This in and of itself would make thawing washing and redressing a decayed corpse a memorable experience. Nurse Solter claimed no such memory. It is yet another thing which confuses the issue of the post mortem treatment of the ravine 4.

Too, I think it was Lyuda's father who insisted on seeing his daughter. He fainted when the coffin was opened. Surely the nurse would remember something of the degraded condition of the remains.

Ziljoe's interpretation of the condition of any paper an pencil on Zolo's remains causes me to think that the reported pencil and paper in his posession and the Zolo recieved for writing nothing  was actually secondary hand source testimony. It may have had nothing to do with an actual pencil and paper, but rather the wish that Zolo could have  had the material, time and interest in writing something in hand before he died. In any case the writing materials were not accounted for.
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General Discussion / Re: Nurse Solter...again
« Last post by Ziljoe on February 13, 2025, 03:14:29 PM »
I think it's important to focus on the details. For example, the theory with a fallen tree on the tent also has some cracks, because Zolotaryov, with a camera in his right hand and a compass in his left, certainly did not go to sleep and was not in the tent at the time of the incident.
I suspect the book you refer to is "1079" by teddy and Igor. The book has its merits and I don't think it should be dismissed. It is a new way to look at some of the events and more precisely, the documents and other activities going on in parallel at the time of the incident.

It explains some of the inconsistency in the reports and gives a motive why it was covered up. I recommend the book because it gives us other avenues to consider.

I don't think Zolotaryov was holding his camera in one hand and a camera in another. I believe he had a compass on one wrist , not his hand. I'm not even sure if a camera was found but it's reported that the camera , or camera case was around his neck or the camera case strap was wrapped around his hand.

It was reported that he had a pen in one hand and a notebook in the other. I e never thought of this before , but due to his injuries, he wouldn't be holding anything, if it was a blast wave , a fall into a ravine, a tree falling on to him , nothing would be in his hands .

If he was actually holding anything in his hands , it would suggest that he was actually entombed by a snow collapse at that moment in time clutching what ever he was holding.

But this raises another question. If he was holding a note pad that was reported, by the investigator but was frustrated that there was nothing written in this note pad , this part of the story makes no sense either . The body's were decaying, we can see from the photos from the ravine four that they were under water, I would suspect that any note pad found would be a soggy mess after 3 months submerged. ( Something I've never thought about before or read  ) .

If Zolotaryov was holding anything in his hands , he died where he was found and sustained his injuries there and then  , either that or the stories of him holding things in his hands are made up.?

Just a thought.
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General Discussion / Re: Nurse Solter...again
« Last post by SURI on February 13, 2025, 10:03:55 AM »
Of course, this post points to a certain book full of conspiracies (tent in the forest, fallen tree on the tent). But Zolotaryov blocks this conspiracy.
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General Discussion / Re: Nurse Solter...again
« Last post by SURI on February 13, 2025, 09:03:24 AM »
I think it's important to focus on the details. For example, the theory with a fallen tree on the tent also has some cracks, because Zolotaryov, with a camera in his right hand and a compass in his left, certainly did not go to sleep and was not in the tent at the time of the incident.
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General Discussion / Re: Nurse Solter...again
« Last post by GlennM on February 13, 2025, 08:10:27 AM »
Arjan, you point out how time and psychology affect recollections. I agree.
What concerns me is the ongoing updates of Dyatlovpass.com regarding the deceased hikers. We have reports of Nurse Solter's recollections as interpreted by her husband. Then again,,we have the whole business pf the written medical reports and how they lacked stamps and had unconventional verbiage.

I do not know ifnthe original, stamped medical records were archived separately and the case file records were a typewritten copy. It would seem so. The typist would be plowing down through a stack of original documents. Some deviation in the language may be inevetable, but the main body of the documents would reflect the source material.

That is my point? I think it would be easy for conspiracy advocates to claim there was a deliberate coverup of some nefarious activity on 1079. I don't think so. Why? Solter may not be reliable at all. Next, faking autopsy reports is pointless when you have the actual corpses available to verify the reports. Further, if the intent of modified reports was to deflect suspicion of foul play, then surely less would be written of the major trauma. We know from case files that the physical remains were studied and reported in detail.

At this point, I believe that the major bonecrushing damage described for the ravine 4 is owing to snow. I believe it feasable that this crushing could have very well resulted in dirty, muddy clothes, as Solter claimed.
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