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General Discussion / Re: An Argument For (Pro) A Fight
« Last post by ahabmyth on July 10, 2025, 09:19:10 PM »
Thinks you Old Jedi 72 and others are correct with the assumption that there was a fight/altercation . But you may have missed another scenario and that is to "keep warm". An idea that maybe some discussions under the Cedar ended with a fight between Igor, Rustem, and even Zina throwing a punch. Notice how these were the three that were found supposedly heading for the tent, with Zina having most strength left and the two boys following with their fists clenched. All three showing injuries that match a fist fight.
Maybe it went a bit further than a warm up fight to something full blown.
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General Discussion / Re: Cover-up
« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on July 10, 2025, 09:14:50 PM »
I did a post two weeks ago with a theory. https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1858.0
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General Discussion / Re: Cover-up
« Last post by ahabmyth on July 10, 2025, 07:00:05 PM »
I think any sort of coverup would be linked to ongoing scientific or military that can be removed or dismantled and for this to take effect generally speaking would need road access which wasnt/isnt available. Helicopters I dont think would have the range.
The areas possibly could include radars or the beginning of missile silos (which I dont think were around at the time). With both of these possibilities the areas obviously need building and attending so would not be a secret. The accuracy of rockets or missiles that have been proposed, unless a launch point is relatively near ,in 1959 would not be great and recovery extremely hard ( a bit like looking for a plane crash ). Larger rockets launched say from Kirghistan or Novae Zemla would have had their first stage jettisoned and therefore no engine trails.
The general assumption on this theory is that the Russians were deeply concerned about embarrassment and would do anything to avoid. In this particular area not having access to the sea, flat land, roads or rail. I cannot feel that the proposal for a coverup could be considered, due to simple logistics.
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General Discussion / Re: Cover-up
« Last post by Ziljoe on July 10, 2025, 07:31:04 AM »
I have pondered this before and I do think it's a good approach to the mystery.

I have looked at the missiles and the development of silos . Zina uses one of the code words for a silo in development. This could have been coincidental but perhaps enough reason to hush everything up incase western spies were listening in or observing the case files in the Soviet Union .

It also fits in with Ivanov pushing rocket and missile theories . If you read the information, the Soviet Union is in meetings with the west to try and disarm the nuclear race , whilst at the same time doing the very opposite and testing ICBM's and developing the silo's.

A bit of a read but I think it's interesting.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1687.0

Following that bit of research , I found that there had been a push by the Soviet Union to hold a student convention in Moscow in 1957, this was for students from all around the world . The CIA had started trying to influence students from around the world before this too. It consisted of false companies created by the CIA to fund these from the American tax payer. It's all extremely paranoid from both sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_World_Festival_of_Youth_and_Students

A number of artists , writers  and thinkers from America and the west attended the Moscow student event but were thrown out of America and accused of being communist. Some went to live in the UK and another in the USSR. There is a strong link to the arts and music by these people and many were high profile and sosialist in ideology.


The 6th World Festival of Youth and Students was held from 28 July to 5 August 1957 in Moscow, capital city of the then Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The festival attracted 34,000 people from 130 countries. This became possible after the political changes initiated by Nikita Khrushchev. It was the first World Festival of Youth and Students held in the Soviet Union.

The Khrushchev reforms, known as Khrushchev Thaw, resulted in some changes in the Soviet Union. Foreigners could come for a visit, and people were allowed to meet foreigners, albeit only in groups under supervision. Soviet foreign language students acted as interpreters.

Jazz musician Aleksei Kozlov had a chance to play with foreign musicians. The popular ensemble Druzhba from Leningrad became the winner of the First Prize[2] in popular music, thanks to its lead singer, Edita Piekha,[citation needed] the star of the 1950s who could sing in many languages. Edita Piekha, Vladimir Troshin and international guests of the festival together performed the popular song Moscow Nights. Reverend Warren McKenna, Joanne Grant, Sally Belfrage, and folk singer Peggy Seeger attended the festival as part of the US delegation and later went on a propaganda trip to Communist China.[3][4][5]

The festival's sports program featured an athletics competition.[6]

After the festival there was a significant influx of Afro-Russians. The mixed race African descended children were called festival children because of their appearance and timing of their birth.


If you note the name Peggy Seeger above.

"Margaret "Peggy" Seeger (born June 17, 1935) is an American folk singer and songwriter. She has lived in Britain for more than 60 years and was married to the singer-songwriter Ewan MacColl until his death in 1989. She is a member of the Seeger family of musicians."

"Seeger's father was Charles Seeger (1886–1979), a folklorist and musicologist; her mother was Seeger's second wife, Ruth Porter Crawford (1901–1953), a modernist composer who was the first woman to receive a Guggenheim Fellowship.[1]

The family moved to Washington, D.C., in 1936 after Charles' appointment to the music division of the Resettlement Administration.

One of her brothers was Mike Seeger, and Pete Seeger was her half-brother. Poet Alan Seeger was her uncle. One of her first recordings was American Folk Songs for Children (1955).

First American period
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In the 1950s, left-leaning singers such as Paul Robeson and The Weavers began to find that life became difficult because of the influence of McCarthyism. Seeger visited Communist China and as a result had her US passport withdrawn.[2] In 1957, the US State Department had opposed Seeger's attending the 6th World Festival of Youth and Students in Moscow[3] (where the CIA had monitored the US delegation), and was vigorously critical about her having gone to China during that trip, against official "advice".[4] The authorities had warned her that her passport could be impounded that would bar her from further travel were she to return to the US.[4] She decided to tour Europe – and later found out that she was on a blacklist sent to European governments.[4]"

There is a lot of reading in this, but Peggy was protesting against missiles and McColl was writing communist songs. Mccoll has a huge connection to modern music and songs written , his first daughter was Kirsty Maccoll
Who died strangely in Mexico. If you Google all the names involved , there is a myriad of connections . Not that this has anything to do with the Dyatlov case directly but students, folk music , ideals were being shared and people were watching what everyone was doing. I wonder if any Dyatlovs went to the student meeting in 1957?.
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General Discussion / Cover-up
« Last post by amashilu on July 10, 2025, 05:13:38 AM »
One question keeps coming to mind: 
If this tragedy was caused by a natural event, such as an avalanche, slab slip, snow den collapse, katabatic wind, etc, why would the Russian authorities cover it up? There is no political or national shame in a tragic natural accident.
The question then immediately follows: What kind of event WOULD they cover up? What was so critically important here that they had to hide it, and continue to hide it, for the following 66 years?
This might make a good starting point for looking again at the facts. Start with the Russian government in 1959 realizing that this would be devastating if it got out, and look again at the evidence from there.
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General Discussion / So I asked AI about the topic...
« Last post by brightyellow on July 10, 2025, 04:32:59 AM »
I discussed various pages about the Dyatlov Pass with my browser's AI assistant (Copilot) and asked it which theory was the most plausible. Here's the result:

🥇 1. Localized Snow Cave Collapse (Ravine Victims)
Plausibility: High

This theory proposes that the three most severely injured hikers died when a snow shelter or overhanging snow mass collapsed in the ravine.

✅ Why it fits:

Explains massive internal trauma without external wounds.

Victims were found under deep snow in a ravine.

No need for a full avalanche.

🔍 Sources:

Louhi et al. (2024)

WAB critique

🧠 Verdict: The most forensically consistent explanation for the ravine deaths. Likely part of a multi-stage tragedy.

🥈 2. Katabatic Wind
Plausibility: Moderate–High

A sudden, powerful downslope wind may have forced the hikers to flee the tent in fear of burial or collapse.

✅ Why it fits:

Explains sudden evacuation.

No avalanche traces required.

Documented in polar regions.

🔍 Sources:

Borzenkov Analysis

Swedish-Russian Expedition 2019: Field conditions confirmed the plausibility of extreme wind exposure and psychological stress.

🧠 Verdict: A strong candidate for the initial panic. May have triggered the chain of events.

🥉 3. Slab Avalanche (ETH Zurich Model & Popovnin’s Interpretation)
Plausibility: Moderate

ETH Zurich’s 2021 simulation (Gaume & Puzrin) and glaciologist Victor Popovnin’s 2020 report both argue that a small slab avalanche could have struck the tent, causing injuries and panic.

✅ Scientific merit:

ETH model shows how a small, delayed slab could exert enough force to injure.

Popovnin supports the idea of a localized snow slab based on slope angle and snow accumulation.

❌ But:

No physical avalanche traces: no crown fracture, no displaced snow, no debris field.

Only 15–20 cm of snow found on the tent.

No depth hoar layer observed (Sogrin, 1959 search team).

No signs of air displacement damage to the tent.

Popovnin’s assumptions (e.g. slope angle, snow density) are challenged by WAB (PRO_hogiy), who argues they don’t match the real 1959 terrain or snowpack.

🧠 Verdict: While both Popovnin and ETH offer technically plausible models, they rely on speculative input data. As WAB puts it, “a model without real-world traces is a thought experiment, not a reconstruction.”

🔗 Sources:

ETH Study (Gaume & Puzrin, 2021)

Popovnin’s Glaciological Report

WAB critique on Taina.li forum

4. Cold-Induced Disorientation / Hypothermia
Plausibility: Moderate

Hypothermia can cause paradoxical undressing and irrational behavior.

✅ Fits:

Some hikers were undressed.

Known physiological response.

❌ Doesn’t explain:

Why they left the tent.

Severe trauma in ravine victims.

🧠 Verdict: Likely a contributing factor, not the root cause.

5. Infrasound (Kármán Vortex Street)
Plausibility: Low–Moderate

Low-frequency sound waves may have triggered panic.

✅ Fits:

Explains irrational behavior.

❌ But:

No direct evidence.

Highly speculative.

🧠 Verdict: Interesting, but lacks empirical support.

6. Military Testing / Parachute Mines
Plausibility: Low–Moderate

The group may have been caught in secret weapons tests.

✅ Fits:

Radiation on clothing.

Strange discoloration of bodies.

❌ But:

Radiation levels not extreme.

No blast injuries.

No official records.

🧠 Verdict: Intriguing, but speculative.

7. Internal Conflict / Accident
Plausibility: Low

A fight or accident among the group.

❌ Doesn’t fit:

No signs of struggle.

Injuries too severe.

🧠 Verdict: Unlikely.

8. Mansi Attack
Plausibility: Very Low

Early Soviet suspicion of local Mansi people.

❌ Doesn’t fit:

No motive.

No evidence of violence.

🧠 Verdict: Discredited.

🧭 Final Thoughts: Which Theory Holds Up?
After reviewing forensic data, expert critiques, and field-based insights, the most plausible explanation is a multi-stage scenario:

Katabatic wind or fear of burial prompts evacuation.

Exposure and disorientation lead to separation.

Snow cave collapse causes fatal injuries in the ravine.

The ETH slab avalanche model is scientifically impressive—but as Popovnin and WAB emphasize, it lacks real-world traces. The 2019 Swedish-Russian expedition further confirmed that the terrain and snowpack conditions did not support a slab avalanche scenario, but did highlight the psychological and physical toll of the environment.

“Even the best model cannot reconstruct reality if its input data are speculative.” — WAB (PRO_hogiy)

🔗 Key Sources
Popovnin’s Glaciological Report (2020) Supports the slab avalanche theory but is challenged by WAB for relying on generalized assumptions. 📄 https://dyatlovpass.com/popovnin

WAB (PRO_hogiy) Critique on Taina.li Forum Detailed rebuttal of the ETH and Popovnin avalanche models, emphasizing terrain-specific inconsistencies. 💬 https://taina.li/forum/index.php?topic=12445.msg816692#msg816692

ETH Avalanche Study (Gaume & Puzrin, 2021) Scientific simulation proposing a delayed slab avalanche as the cause of the incident. 📘 https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-020-00081-8.pdf

Louhi et al. (2024): Avalanche Critique Comprehensive forensic and physical critique of the ETH model and avalanche hypothesis. ❄️ https://dyatlovpass.com/louhi-dmitrievskaya-litvinova-ankudinov

Borzenkov’s Analysis Field-based critique of ETH assumptions; emphasizes that observed avalanches occurred in different terrain. 🧭 https://dyatlovpass.com/borzenkov

Swedish-Russian Dyatlov Expedition (2019) Field expedition that recreated the route and conditions; supports katabatic wind and psychological stress as key factors. 🏕️ https://dyatlovpass.com/swedish-russian-expedition-2019

Theory Overview – DyatlovPass.com Comprehensive list of all major theories with pros, cons, and historical context. 📚 https://dyatlovpass.com/theories

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Lightning strike / Ball lightning / Re: Hypothetical
« Last post by Ziljoe on July 08, 2025, 06:05:21 PM »
I’ve been rereading all the posts under this heading (Lightning Strike/Ball LIghtning) and it has led me to play devil’s advocate for the fire orb theory, with this scenario: 

Let’s say a fire ball, plasma ball, orb-thing did get into the tent, and went straight for Yuri K’s leg, burning it terribly. The others were of course panicking at this, so they cut the tent and dragged Yuri K out. The question is: Would he be able to walk the mile to the tree line with a burn like that?

I’m not taking the imaginary scenario any further, just thinking it would have to be something really frightening and deadly like that to force these strong, skilled young people to abandon the tent. But since there were 8 or 9 sets of footprints, someone that had been burnt or injured would have been walking on their own.

No , no , and nope .... Not a chance ...ball lightning is not a real thing.

Although this popped up the other day. Probably one of the clearest videos .

https://youtu.be/mmOfwFHBu_o?si=LyLmUCOdDvzN2J4n

I think you would be able to walk with a burn like that quite easily, not deep enough to affect tendons and muscle, weight could still be taken through the tibial and fibula down through the ankle and on to the heel bone .Plantarflexion would be ok as those muscles are attached to the fibula , he could get push off , so to speak. Dorsiflexion might be compromised mildly but more regarding pain. Ultimately, he would have been able to use his lower limb as a peg leg to be mobile. 
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Lightning strike / Ball lightning / Hypothetical
« Last post by amashilu on July 08, 2025, 03:29:54 PM »
I’ve been rereading all the posts under this heading (Lightning Strike/Ball LIghtning) and it has led me to play devil’s advocate for the fire orb theory, with this scenario: 

Let’s say a fire ball, plasma ball, orb-thing did get into the tent, and went straight for Yuri K’s leg, burning it terribly. The others were of course panicking at this, so they cut the tent and dragged Yuri K out. The question is: Would he be able to walk the mile to the tree line with a burn like that?

I’m not taking the imaginary scenario any further, just thinking it would have to be something really frightening and deadly like that to force these strong, skilled young people to abandon the tent. But since there were 8 or 9 sets of footprints, someone that had been burnt or injured would have been walking on their own.
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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory
« Last post by SURI on July 07, 2025, 11:47:31 PM »
As I already wrote, it's nothing mysterious, the threat was between them.

Krivonischenko's camera vs Zolotaryov's camera

Krivonischenko's last photo taken in an emergency and several damaged photographs by Zolotaryov actually follow each other.

You took a picture of me, then I'll take a picture of you (not only you).
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Altercation on the pass / Re: An Argument For (Pro) A Fight
« Last post by ahabmyth on July 07, 2025, 08:33:47 PM »
I cannot perceive a fight happening inside a tent, it would be very hard moving around on your knees and saying excuse me to everyone else as you are falling over them. Then having to pause the fight to enable someone to slash open the tent. All this happening whilst someone shone a torch over them flailing in the dark. Nah it didnt happen.
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