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General Discussion / Re: Expedition to Dyatlov Pass thoughts.
« Last post by Teddy on Today at 09:29:55 AM »Please chip in, what I have so far is not enough for me to go on an expedition.
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General Discussion / Re: Expedition to Dyatlov Pass thoughts.
« Last post by Teddy on Today at 09:21:22 AM »I have received a suggestion for the expedition:
Measurements have been taken in August 2020 by the legendary researcher Aleksander Aleeksenkov (Shura), who has been on the pass countless times.
https://dyatlovpass.com/appendix-zone
The discovery brings credibility to our theory: https://dyatlovpass.com/1079#magnetic
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If possible bring a magnetometer and plot the Earth's magnetic field to discover any anomalies. Strong magnetic fields can affect the human body.
Measurements have been taken in August 2020 by the legendary researcher Aleksander Aleeksenkov (Shura), who has been on the pass countless times.
https://dyatlovpass.com/appendix-zone
The discovery brings credibility to our theory: https://dyatlovpass.com/1079#magnetic
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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"
« Last post by Teddy on Today at 09:04:12 AM »The measurements taken in August 2020 by the legendary researcher Aleksander Aleeksenkov (Shura), who has been on the pass countless times, show a magnetic anomaly called the "Appendix zone".
https://dyatlovpass.com/appendix-zone
It brings credibility to our theory: https://dyatlovpass.com/1079#magnetic
I have started a topic about this discovery: https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1653
https://dyatlovpass.com/appendix-zone
It brings credibility to our theory: https://dyatlovpass.com/1079#magnetic
I have started a topic about this discovery: https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1653
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General Discussion / Magnetic anomaly called "Appendix zone"
« Last post by Teddy on Today at 08:40:53 AM »An anomaly is recorded on Kholat Syakhl, near the location of the tent found in 1959. The anomaly is called the "Appendix zone". It is said by a professional geologist to be typical for the Ural fold system. Asked if there could be gas deposits that might have exploded, the expert answered that it is not likely but "who knows". I do not know how much truth there is in the statement that magnetic anomalies can interfere with people's behavior, I have read that people have felt strangely on the pass, but no one has ever done something so outrageous as to explain the tragedy in 1959. Read the article →
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General Discussion / Re: New variant of my book (Force majeure on Dyatlov pass)
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 19, 2024, 12:04:25 PM »I respect your work Axelrod. There is a lot of information in there.
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General Discussion / Re: New variant of my book (Force majeure on Dyatlov pass)
« Last post by Axelrod on May 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AM »Russan and English book were updated yesterday
(Yudin's 100 answers were moved to book1
Mikhail Brod was added to book 2, Chapter 6)
Links to my Google drive are the same, but three .pdf files were updated.
Bulgarian (auto-translated) variant of the same content (546+546+526 pages) has been prepared and added today (May 18, 2024):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GZXZpNQlyQzlWW2T5qF41kirb7r94Ncw/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11sSnE-YiptQnwp7nTJL5w-VSn6vT-uQ4/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IuiE_Ux-zATu5qPtOt-c3YmbEp8UoCxF/view?usp=sharing
Enjoy please!
(Yudin's 100 answers were moved to book1
Mikhail Brod was added to book 2, Chapter 6)
Links to my Google drive are the same, but three .pdf files were updated.
Bulgarian (auto-translated) variant of the same content (546+546+526 pages) has been prepared and added today (May 18, 2024):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GZXZpNQlyQzlWW2T5qF41kirb7r94Ncw/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11sSnE-YiptQnwp7nTJL5w-VSn6vT-uQ4/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IuiE_Ux-zATu5qPtOt-c3YmbEp8UoCxF/view?usp=sharing
Enjoy please!
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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?
« Last post by GlennM on May 17, 2024, 09:07:55 PM »"But the absence of living witnesses provides the “researcher” with opportunities for fantasy, and only the unbridledness of our imagination + the inability to put ourselves in the place of someone whose actions you are trying to understand is our main problem and the main obstacle to the truth.:"
I have done the mental exercise of putting myself in their place, but when it comes to getting me (as them) out of the tent and hiking a mile down slope, any number of logical explanations advanced by the forum would suffice. My particular preference is the suffocation hazard posed by a snow covered tent owing to a localized slab slip. On the other hand , I have a more diffucult time imagining why 3 people who come out of a crushed tent in the forest would want to climb uphill only to freeze from expoure. If I wanted to signal aircraft, I make smoke, not waving my snow covered arms on a snow covered slope.
As much as some imaginations are pretty far out there ( think flying saucers), probably telling more about the one who posts than the issue itself, our inability always goes back to the why of things. WinterLea points out the cascade of small errors culminating in tragedy. She could be right.
I have done the mental exercise of putting myself in their place, but when it comes to getting me (as them) out of the tent and hiking a mile down slope, any number of logical explanations advanced by the forum would suffice. My particular preference is the suffocation hazard posed by a snow covered tent owing to a localized slab slip. On the other hand , I have a more diffucult time imagining why 3 people who come out of a crushed tent in the forest would want to climb uphill only to freeze from expoure. If I wanted to signal aircraft, I make smoke, not waving my snow covered arms on a snow covered slope.
As much as some imaginations are pretty far out there ( think flying saucers), probably telling more about the one who posts than the issue itself, our inability always goes back to the why of things. WinterLea points out the cascade of small errors culminating in tragedy. She could be right.
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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?
« Last post by Partorg on May 17, 2024, 11:58:09 AM »Quote from: Teddy
This case has the advantage of a massive unprecedented search and rescue operation. Many, the number 50 comes to mind for just that year perish in the mountains and we haven't heard anything about them.The case with the Dyatlov group differs from other tourist accidents only in that in no other cases did the relatives of the dead tourists make so much noise and it never occurred to any of them to send a telegram complaining about the inaction of the local leadership to the first person of the state.
This is precisely what explains such attention to him, both from the leadership of the city and region: a grandiose search operation, the presence of the regional prosecutor at the autopsies of corpses, etc., and from the Prosecutor's Office of the RSFSR - the visit of Vice Prosecutor Urakov to Sverdlovsk.
In itself, this case is no more “mysterious” than any other - for example, the death of Elvira Shataeva’s group in August 1974. And if you remember the circumstances of the death of Korovina’s group in 1993 on Khamar-Daban, then even less.
All the facts in this story have completely simple and natural explanations, and all the actions of the group can be understood and almost step-by-step reconstructed. But the absence of living witnesses provides the “researcher” with opportunities for fantasy, and only the unbridledness of our imagination + the inability to put ourselves in the place of someone whose actions you are trying to understand is our main problem and the main obstacle to the truth.
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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 17, 2024, 10:33:16 AM »Well said WinterLeia.
I don't think the three badly injured hikers could have been moved from the tent , if that were where the injuries happened. The remaining 5 hikers would not be able to carry or support them down the slope or would have had to make several trips at the very least which would have left very different tracks, they also would have collected more belongings/ equipment . Even the approach to the ceder and the ravine seems difficult in deep snow for a person that is not injured having looked at the many recent videos, without skis they seem to sink into the snow , with two of them with severity of the rib fractures, I don't think it would be possible.
Back to outsiders , for me , it's a strange way to try and kill people, if it was to be murder, to look like an accident, I would say it's an odd way to go about it. So much of the tongue was missing that it is also seems unlikely that outsiders or any person for that matter did that. To cut the tip off, perhaps possible if it was to be symbolic, I think so much of the tongue was missing that someone would have needed a dentist chair , a light and scalpel. In the cold and possibly at night, someone manages to do all this without cutting cheeks or leaving knife marks on the lower jaw would be a rare skill.
My thoughts for outsiders is only as far as the reason for leaving the tent , perhaps they were just threatened to leave and that was the end of any input, the rest was just the cold, falling into the ravine , snow cave collapse or falling off the tree on to each other., Perhaps even teddy's tree plays a part, the hikers climbed that ceder too and it collapsed/fell at that moment in time when gathering branches. It is reported that branches from the/a ceder were several meters away.
I don't think the three badly injured hikers could have been moved from the tent , if that were where the injuries happened. The remaining 5 hikers would not be able to carry or support them down the slope or would have had to make several trips at the very least which would have left very different tracks, they also would have collected more belongings/ equipment . Even the approach to the ceder and the ravine seems difficult in deep snow for a person that is not injured having looked at the many recent videos, without skis they seem to sink into the snow , with two of them with severity of the rib fractures, I don't think it would be possible.
Back to outsiders , for me , it's a strange way to try and kill people, if it was to be murder, to look like an accident, I would say it's an odd way to go about it. So much of the tongue was missing that it is also seems unlikely that outsiders or any person for that matter did that. To cut the tip off, perhaps possible if it was to be symbolic, I think so much of the tongue was missing that someone would have needed a dentist chair , a light and scalpel. In the cold and possibly at night, someone manages to do all this without cutting cheeks or leaving knife marks on the lower jaw would be a rare skill.
My thoughts for outsiders is only as far as the reason for leaving the tent , perhaps they were just threatened to leave and that was the end of any input, the rest was just the cold, falling into the ravine , snow cave collapse or falling off the tree on to each other., Perhaps even teddy's tree plays a part, the hikers climbed that ceder too and it collapsed/fell at that moment in time when gathering branches. It is reported that branches from the/a ceder were several meters away.
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General Discussion / Re: Is there evidence for outsiders?
« Last post by WinterLeia on May 17, 2024, 02:42:00 AM »Most accidents are not the result of one single thing going wrong, but a chain of things going wrong that if even one of those things had not happened or had happened differently the chain would be broken and the tragedy would not have occurred. In fact, so common is this phenomenon that it actually has a name: comedy of errors. The word comedy is ironic, emphasizing the sheer ridiculousness of so many bad things inexplicably happening, one after the other that it would be hilarious, if it wasn’t so tragic. While we can say that whatever happened at the tent led to the death of the hikers, we cannot say that the hikers would have died if that was the only misfortune they faced that night. We simply do not know what other challenges they may have come across before their deaths, and the fact that three of their number sustained such horrible injuries, whereas the group that survived the night without the tent did not, already implies that the ordeal of the second group was nowhere near as severe as what the Dyatlov group went through. And personally I don’t believe the injuries sustained by Luda, Semyon, and Nicolai were the result of what happened at the tent.
Regardless, when dealing with cases like this where uncertainty reigns and conspiracy theories flourish like weeds in the vast no man’s land where we hope instead to find facts and concrete evidence, it’s only prudent to remember that as human beings we love patterns and we hate meaningless deaths. Nothing wrong with that, but we have to be aware of our own weaknesses, that we will all too often see patterns where none exist and create meaning as a defense against the vulnerability of our own mortality.
Regardless, when dealing with cases like this where uncertainty reigns and conspiracy theories flourish like weeds in the vast no man’s land where we hope instead to find facts and concrete evidence, it’s only prudent to remember that as human beings we love patterns and we hate meaningless deaths. Nothing wrong with that, but we have to be aware of our own weaknesses, that we will all too often see patterns where none exist and create meaning as a defense against the vulnerability of our own mortality.