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Lightning strike / Ball lightning / Re: Hypothetical

« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 06:05:21 PM »

I’ve been rereading all the posts under this heading (Lightning Strike/Ball LIghtning) and it has led me to play devil’s advocate for the fire orb theory, with this scenario: 

Let’s say a fire ball, plasma ball, orb-thing did get into the tent, and went straight for Yuri K’s leg, burning it terribly. The others were of course panicking at this, so they cut the tent and dragged Yuri K out. The question is: Would he be able to walk the mile to the tree line with a burn like that?

I’m not taking the imaginary scenario any further, just thinking it would have to be something really frightening and deadly like that to force these strong, skilled young people to abandon the tent. But since there were 8 or 9 sets of footprints, someone that had been burnt or injured would have been walking on their own.

No , no , and nope .... Not a chance ...ball lightning is not a real thing.

Although this popped up the other day. Probably one of the clearest videos .

https://youtu.be/mmOfwFHBu_o?si=LyLmUCOdDvzN2J4n

I think you would be able to walk with a burn like that quite easily, not deep enough to affect tendons and muscle, weight could still be taken through the tibial and fibula down through the ankle and on to the heel bone .Plantarflexion would be ok as those muscles are attached to the fibula , he could get push off , so to speak. Dorsiflexion might be compromised mildly but more regarding pain. Ultimately, he would have been able to use his lower limb as a peg leg to be mobile. 

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Lightning strike / Ball lightning / Hypothetical

« Last post by amashilu on Today at 03:29:54 PM »

I’ve been rereading all the posts under this heading (Lightning Strike/Ball LIghtning) and it has led me to play devil’s advocate for the fire orb theory, with this scenario: 

Let’s say a fire ball, plasma ball, orb-thing did get into the tent, and went straight for Yuri K’s leg, burning it terribly. The others were of course panicking at this, so they cut the tent and dragged Yuri K out. The question is: Would he be able to walk the mile to the tree line with a burn like that?

I’m not taking the imaginary scenario any further, just thinking it would have to be something really frightening and deadly like that to force these strong, skilled young people to abandon the tent. But since there were 8 or 9 sets of footprints, someone that had been burnt or injured would have been walking on their own.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by SURI on July 07, 2025, 11:47:31 PM »

As I already wrote, it's nothing mysterious, the threat was between them.

Krivonischenko's camera vs Zolotaryov's camera

Krivonischenko's last photo taken in an emergency and several damaged photographs by Zolotaryov actually follow each other.

You took a picture of me, then I'll take a picture of you (not only you).

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Altercation on the pass / Re: An Argument For (Pro) A Fight

« Last post by ahabmyth on July 07, 2025, 08:33:47 PM »

I cannot perceive a fight happening inside a tent, it would be very hard moving around on your knees and saying excuse me to everyone else as you are falling over them. Then having to pause the fight to enable someone to slash open the tent. All this happening whilst someone shone a torch over them flailing in the dark. Nah it didnt happen.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by RMK on July 07, 2025, 11:00:18 AM »

I assume that Slobodin's second shoe was found in the tent, which is a confirmed fact. Therefore, it is impossible for him to voluntarily leave the tent and go to the cedar with one shoe. Slobodin with one shoe is another key factor in the whole case. The entire slope and the cedar were victims of that threat.

Only nature stopped that threat by burying it under a 4 m layer of snow.

What do you suggest this threat was, specifically?

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by SURI on July 07, 2025, 12:39:14 AM »

It all happened because there was a threat that Krivonischenko captured in the last shot of his camera, and from which he and Doroshenko were hiding on a cedar tree. The threat from the tent continued up the slope to the cedar, but there was no escape from it. It left a trail of destruction on the slope and by the cedar.

It is beyond belief that two persons would climb up a tree to hide from a perceived threat, then proceed to brake off branches and form a 5-meter-high window facing the direction of said threat. This is the most extreme case of hiding in plain sight that I have ever heard of. But you raise a valid concern about leaving without shoes.

Zolotaryov didn't go with his camera for wood or water.

If you're hiding in a tree, you'll break off any branches that come your way so the threat can't get to you.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by ZuriDog on July 06, 2025, 08:07:43 PM »

A technical point to work out is how the cry for help is heard over such a distance. We must determine whether the wind was in their face or back at the cedar. If at their back, the sound carries farther. You might consider instead of calling for help, waving a flaming branch might be more viable from a distance. We do have evidence of a fire at the cedar. The sticking point is that the fire has to be seen. Is this where the two better dressed hikers come into play? Were they not supposed to be outside the tent relieving themselves? Depending on what time they left the tent to attend to Nature's call, the two at the tree are getting progressively worse for wear due to prolonged exposure to the cold.

So in terms of the sequence of events, I think whether the people in the tent heard screams from very far away, or from very near - maybe even at the tent entrance itself-, and regardless of whether they could make out words or just screaming, I think the outcome would be exactly the same. They would hear the call for help, someone would attempt to open the entrance to the tent (they only managed a button or two), but someone got impatient and slashed the tent open.

Yes, evidence shows someone having relieved themselves outside the tent - but it is impossible to set a timeline for this. Someone could have gone whilst they were setting up the tent, or while the others were having a slight snack, or when Tibo and Zolotarev had gone out to the woods, or even while Tibo and Zolotarev were away.
This theory suggests Tibo and Zolotarev were down at the wooded area, and that no one was outside when Zolotarev ran back to the tent to get help, as anyone going outside to toilet would not bother doing up all the buttons to the entrance for the short period of time required. The entrance was mostly done up (I believe someone got impatient before the person could undo the next button) suggests no one was temporarily outside, i.e. toilet break. The only people outside were Tibo and Zolotarev as judged by their dress.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by GlennM on July 06, 2025, 04:18:52 PM »

A technical point to work out is how the cry for help is heard over such a distance. We must determine whether the wind was in their face or back at the cedar. If at their back, the sound carries farther. You might consider instead of calling for help, waving a flaming branch might be more viable from a distance. We do have evidence of a fire at the cedar. The sticking point is that the fire has to be seen. Is this where the two better dressed hikers come into play? Were they not supposed to be outside the tent relieving themselves? Depending on what time they left the tent to attend to Nature's call, the two at the tree are getting progressively worse for wear due to prolonged exposure to the cold.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by ZuriDog on July 06, 2025, 12:37:28 PM »

It all happened because there was a threat that Krivonischenko captured in the last shot of his camera, and from which he and Doroshenko were hiding on a cedar tree. The threat from the tent continued up the slope to the cedar, but there was no escape from it. It left a trail of destruction on the slope and by the cedar.

It is beyond belief that two persons would climb up a tree to hide from a perceived threat, then proceed to brake off branches and form a 5-meter-high window facing the direction of said threat. This is the most extreme case of hiding in plain sight that I have ever heard of. But you raise a valid concern about leaving without shoes.

I've thought of Rustem with one shoe and isn't it possible he lost the other to deep snow? Either by the snow pulling it off or maybe he used it as a shovel. Unless they accounted for the other shoe being in the tent? And I find it odd as well that this theory calls for a tent being cut up over Zolo yelling for help.

Also a valid point. In my version of events the hikers would have heard shouting from outside long before they could make out words. They are practically blind to what is happening outside, they have no idea what is going on, only urgent shouting. They must realize that their friends are in danger. And the person by the door is fumbling with the buttons, out of the 7 people present in the tent, it only takes one to think the delay is unacceptable and slash the tent.
They had the means and ability to repair the tent, they had already mended the tent a couple of times on this trip alone. What is a piece of fabric that can be mended when your friends are shouting for help?
If I were forced to name someone, I'd say Doroshenko. He had on a previous occasion confronted a bear, armed with nothing more than a hammer.
Now holding a knife, hearing the shouts from outside, and the person at the entrance taking too long. All he would want to do is get outside as soon as possible, and it only takes one person to think like that.
Similarly, the fact that the hikers left without shoes, or with only one shoe.. That is why in my version it is important to stress that they were not abandoning the tent. The intention was to help return Tibo to the tent. In my opinion it is harder to imagine a scenario in which the hikers are abandoning the tent but leave without jackets and shoes. It is hard to imagine them abandoning the tent without taking any of the items they would need to survive. In my scenario, because they intent to return, because it's not that cold (warm wind) then temporarily leaving the tent, perhaps a little underdressed, seems more plausible. What's some temporary, personal discomfort when weighed against the fact that a friend is in serious need of help?

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by SURI on July 06, 2025, 12:34:33 PM »

March 5 as a result of searching using probes under a layer of snow of 15 cm was found Slobodin. He too froze in the dynamic pose as Kolmogorova. He was dressed relatively warmer. He was wearing one felt boot (the second was found in a tent).

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-32-35?rbid=17743