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General Discussion / Re: Zolo's notebook

« Last post by Ziljoe on Today at 06:02:32 AM »

So many questions!!!!!

The ravine was filled over time with blown in and precipitated snowfall. At the depth they were found, the overburden was considerable.

It must have been clear of snow to ground level at the the ravine at the time of the incident or a snow cave had already formed above the stream bed .

Things I can't formulate an hypothetical answer for ,why are their heads all in the direct flow of the water if the stream? , it is not somewhere to lie or wait out the weather.

I have a tough time contemplating Lyuda being injured and leaning against the ledge for breath while Zolo is trying to write something on a notepad. I would think he would make an attempt at rescue.

Yes and no, I suppose it depends on when the injuries took place , it would be logical to jump to the conclusion that all the injuries took place in the ravine at the same time.however, If the injuries happened at the ceder or the tent then there might be some argument to temporarily place the ravine 4 where they were found .

If Zolotaryov is writing anything, this may suggest that it is not dark at that moment in time?

I'm not sure how much of the bodies were frozen when found. They are reported to be decaying but that may just be the parts submerged in the stream.

It looks like the ravine 4 were dragged on these ski sledge's too, given the nature of the very shallow height of this sleigh from the ground, I can only imagine a few bumps and scrapes as the bodies are dragged .

I think Zolo, hurt and helpless for himself and others, got as far as getting the notebook and pencil in hand before the cold paralyzed him and put him to sleep.

If there was a pen and notebook I think they were in his hands before his rib injury? I just can't see him moving.

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General Discussion / AI request

« Last post by GlennM on May 08, 2025, 07:26:23 AM »

The critical images of the corpses are frustrating in their lack of clarity. Is anybody adept enough at AI to refine and post to the forum improved images of the DP9. As a case in point, I was looking for an image of Zolo to confirm a post I made. I was surprised to see Zolo's body with skis underneath. The poor quality image confused discovery with recovery.

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General Discussion / To use AI

« Last post by mja Mahé on May 08, 2025, 07:02:59 AM »

Good morning.

  I've had the idea to use AI for to know more about the mystery of the Dyatlov Pass. For me, it was just to write some words in french relative with the location, igor Dyatlov and the dates for to have some images created by an AI : "Kholat Syakhl Igor Alekseyevich Dyatlov Incident du col de Dyatlov dans la nuit du 1 au 2 Février 1959".

 In a first time, I've had four images and one of those has caught my attention. This image show persons in front of a truck, perhaps a military truck because his color is green, but this truck has two normal lanterns and another one in the place of the windscreen???

If we join those three lights, we have a triangle. It's like a symbol of something but my mind has memorized a relation between this triangular symbol and a possible ufologic fact. Perhaps that the Dyatlov group have had to do at a big and  heavy ufo, perhaps also a military ufo with unknowd weapons because they are killed?
This is the image :





Cordially.

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General Discussion / Re: Zolo's notebook

« Last post by GlennM on May 07, 2025, 05:50:16 PM »

The ravine was filled over time with blown in and precipitated snowfall. At the depth they were found, the overburden was considerable. I have a tough time contemplating Lyuda being injured and leaning against the ledge for breath while Zolo is trying to write something on a notepad. I would think he would make an attempt at rescue.

Zolo was supposedly found with a notebook and pencil in hand. It must have taken some effort to remove one or both, frozen as they were. The fact that the notebook was not conserved is significant to me. Did it actually exist? At an inquest, wouldn't the question come up whether there were any deathbed messages written? I'd expect the notebook to be produced in evidence then and there with the explanation about the chain of custody.

I think it unlikely that Zolo's notebook was actually something else, like some piece of frozen cloth. No. I also think it unlikely that someone in authority would deliberately make up a phony story about finding and trying to read the notebook. I do think it possible that  the notebook still exists somewhere, for what it is worth, perhaps in a shoebox of mementos. Too, if the notebook existed, then Zolo would be holding it, frozen as it was, above and out of running water when found.

I think Zolo, hurt and helpless for himself and others, got as far as getting the notebook and pencil in hand before the cold paralyzed him and put him to sleep.

He thinks," I'll tell the world what happened here, but I can not bring pencil to paper, but they will see I died trying."

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Murdered / Re: What the Prisoners Said

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 07, 2025, 05:08:17 PM »

Thanks for sharing that amashilu

It is powerful and interesting how communication networks work. When I was looking into the Mansi signs on the trees , it gave a link to another researcher who has done good work on the tree signs but it progresses to one of the Mansi searchers who was convinced for murder, this is also mentioned on our Dyatlov pass website but it seems if his murder charge was pre or post the DPI. However, it is reported that this Mansi person ended up working as a prison person or in some military background ( that's a broad spectrum) but there does seem to be evidence for it. I'm not sure what it all means, but this Mansi individual seemed to be educated in writing etc where most of the Mansi were not. According to the researcher, his Mansi family name is in one of the photos  by the Dyatlov case files.

I will share the  link when I have a chance, it's in Russian and I can't say agree or disagree with it but there's good work in it . Basically it concludes that I he tree sign with the 1958 written was a fake by Ivanovo.


https://dyatlovpass.com/whois#letter19
Sheshkin Konstantin Efimovich (Шешкин Константин Ефимович) - born in 1932, Tyumen region - in 1959 а Mansi hunter; lived in Pelym yurts, Burmantovskiy rural council. Presumably in mid-February, while hunting, he saw traces of skis on the Lozva (above Auspiya) and Auspiya rivers leading to the Ural ridge while hunting with the Anyamovs from Suevat Paul. (Testimony). In the 60s he lived in the settlement of Lyamya-Paul. Brother of the famous Mansi artist Pyotr Efimovich Sheshkin (1930-1981). He was sentenced to 7 years for murder (in the taiga three people attacked him, so while trying to protect himself he accidentally killed one). Apparently, he was serving his term in Ivdellag and after release he remained to live in Pelym. Later, at least until the mid-80s, he served as a sergeant in the Ministry of Internal Affairs troops in Burmantovo. He died in 2010.

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General Discussion / Re: Zinc coffins

« Last post by Axelrod on May 07, 2025, 01:38:56 PM »

I think there were no zinc coffins. There were simple wooden coffins. Zoltarev's exhumation confirmed this.
Komsomolskaya Pravda correspondents arrived at the cemetery with a hacksaw for metal, but no metal was found in the grave.

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General Discussion / Zinc coffins

« Last post by GlennM on May 07, 2025, 11:56:26 AM »

We understand from the case files that without zinc coffins, the deceased were not going to be flown out. I investigated a bit further and came to understand that zinc as a material is effective in delaying decay of a cadaver and it allows a typically wooden coffin to be hermetically sealed.
The record shows that the deceased were frozen solid and sewed into tarpaulins for aerial transport. They were later to be thawed and forensically examined.

It occurs to me that sealing a body in a zinc coffin only to open it up again might ruin the integrity of the coffin. Secondly, the zinc coffin was not specifically required for any suspected radiation contamination. Third. a zinc coffin is used for people of some importance.

From this I conclude that there could be no surreptitious pre-flight re-dressing hard frozen corpses. Secondly, they were frozen and sewed so there was no real concern of a communicable disease escaping. Third, the DP9 were considered worth the expense and effort to be transported in something better than a utilitarian wooden casket, even though obtaining them was an inconvenience and a government expense.

I do not support the idea that using a zinc casket was a ploy to hide evidence of assassin's work. Far to many rescuers saw what they say, carried what they carried, and talked as they wished.

The DP9 (not 10 or 11) died by natural causes and moved in a military fashion which owing to the zinc caskets was not particularly expedient..

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Murdered / Re: What the Prisoners Said

« Last post by Marc on May 07, 2025, 10:36:14 AM »

I respect the evidence and the original conclusion of the investigation, because these were people who lived at the time and did their job. And what other conclusion could I have drawn if I had looked at the evidence as it is? Probably the same - "unknown compelling force".
But when you look at the evidence in a so-called big picture (unprofessionally), I have always had the feeling that this could very well be a case of murder.

 If it was a murder, we often think that it was only known by the killers, but often the locals know a lot more than you would expect and think. It may even have been an open secret in the area - incredible, but for some reason people are not very good at keeping secrets, even if you are involved.
It is understandable that people are happy to talk about what happened among themselves, but do not want to talk publicly and to investigators. Yes, people speculate, like us, and not everything can be taken as truth...but you never know.

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General Discussion / Re: Zolo's notebook

« Last post by SURI on May 07, 2025, 09:26:10 AM »

If the snow had collapsed from above and Zolotaryov had been holding a pencil and a notebook, they would probably have fallen out of his hands. Also, the position of Tibault's foot indicates a fall rather than anything else, like Dubinina's outstretched arms.

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Murdered / What the Prisoners Said

« Last post by amashilu on May 07, 2025, 08:12:42 AM »

https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2021

This post offers no new evidence, just something that I think about and want to share.

What were you told happened to the hikers?
We were told that the group went on a hike and died. But they were killed!
Did you decide that yourself?
No. The prisoners told us.
How did they know?
The prisoners knew all the news - and what was happening in the Far East, and in Irkutsk. And here, right under their nose, a tragedy happened. We, the convoy, lived with the convicts. And, of course, we discussed this case. So the convicts said - this is murder, but you are looking in the wrong place.
So if the prisoners told you about the death of the hikers, then it turns out that one of the prisoners killed them?
Although most of them were imprisoned for murder, but no, it was not the convicts who killed the hikers.


I recognize this behavior of the prisoners.

I worked in a prison for 20 years. When a new employee is hired, such as myself, they have to complete a six-week full-time training of how to work within the prison system. One of the things that is hammered into us and repeated over and over again is that the prisoners have nothing to do but watch us and listen to us all day and all night. They watch and they listen. They know everything about everyone. We were told repeatedly that because they watch and listen, they are always the first to know everything, so we were trained in how to be very careful and never talk within their hearing distance. Of course, after a few years, everybody breaks this rule and talks more openly.

After my six weeks were up and I began actually working in the system, I was almost immediately shocked when faced with this very thing. As Syunikaev said, "the prisoners knew all the news." They really do — prison news, local news, regional news, national news, and world news.  They knew, as Syunikaev says, "what was happening in the Far East, and in Irkutsk. And here, right under their nose, a tragedy happened. We, the convoy, lived with the convicts. And of course we discussed this case. So the convicts said - this is murder, but you are looking in the wrong place ... "
So having had long personal experience with prisoners knowing everything that happens, from right outside their door to the world stage, when I read about these prisoners saying the hikers were murdered but the searchers were looking in the wrong place, I find it hard to discount what they said. They told this to their friends. Syunikaev lived with them and they talked and were friends. I don't believe the prisoners were lying about this. They knew something.

If there were only a prisoner from that time alive today, they would be able to share what they knew.

Just something to think about.