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General Discussion / Re: The notenook

« Last post by Axelrod on May 23, 2025, 07:34:08 PM »

Next to Lyuda was not Zolo, but Tibo. He was carrying Lyuda on his back at the time of the fall. Zolo, in turn, was leading Kolevatov, which is why they were lying next to each other when they fell together.

This is like an assumption, like one of the versions, like a flight of fantasy.
Other people will read it and think that it is really 100% true.
In Russian, there is such an expression: and you were holding a candle when you saw it?

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General Discussion / Re: The notenook

« Last post by SURI on May 22, 2025, 10:52:45 PM »

Next to Lyuda was not Zolo, but Tibo. He was carrying Lyuda on his back at the time of the fall. Zolo, in turn, was leading Kolevatov, which is why they were lying next to each other when they fell together.

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General Discussion / The notenook

« Last post by GlennM on May 22, 2025, 04:40:38 PM »

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Zolo next to Lyuda and face up. If he had a notebook in hand, his hand position is odd. First, it would be plain for any one to  see. Secondly, I think it more likely that a notebook would be clutched and held close to the chest. If he was injured severely before death, I think the same holds true. He would hold is arms in close to his chest to restrict his ribs.

From the image, I can imagine them all being rolled with Lyuda being the first off the ledge. Alternately, if they were climbing over the ledge to get to the den, then Lyuda just didn't have the ability to continue. She and the others were spent.

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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 22, 2025, 07:52:48 AM »

The theory about a tree causing the injuries can be thrown out of the window I think.
From what I have seen there is'nt any tree around at this elevation. Probably looking at 1klm from the top before any scrub like trees are found.

I think you might have miss understood teddy's book and explanation.

Teddy proposes that the hickers followed their original route . They did not pitch their tent on the slope where it was later found.That is ,they went over the pass which is to the east of boot rock.  They got to the ceder with skis and their tent and this is where they pitched the tent . The tent is designed to be hung between two trees .

Where the two Yuri's were found, next to the ceder there is another large ceder that had fallen. From checking the growth rings, teddy found that the tree fell in 1958-59 but did not have a full growth ring for 1959 . Plus the tree can be seen on the ground in the 1959 search photos in late February.

Coincidence,perhaps..... but there is more to it  and it will take a bit of reading to understand which is worth the investment.

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General Discussion / Re: Being able to walk 1 mile with fatal trauma

« Last post by ahabmyth on May 22, 2025, 04:04:37 AM »

Injuries explained by the falling over the rocks by several of the group, the temperature and windchill would have initiated a free-for-all running from the tent. I suggest there would have been mayhem over this area with all types of injuries until at the bottom of the hill then  trying to help each other .I assume the group would be staggering to make it to the tree line eventually basing themselves at the nearest good sized tree they could find- The Cedar.this would be where they lay down with exhaustion and tended their wounds. The following I think I have covered in previous posts.

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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"

« Last post by ahabmyth on May 22, 2025, 01:41:27 AM »

The theory about a tree causing the injuries can be thrown out of the window I think.
From what I have seen there is'nt any tree around at this elevation. Probably looking at 1klm from the top before any scrub like trees are found.

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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"

« Last post by ahabmyth on May 22, 2025, 01:34:28 AM »

Whooohooo Our little superstar. I have been through the site and can truly appreciate how much work that Teddy has put into the site and her unending attention to the overall quality of this group. Well done and well deserved.

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General Discussion / Re: Two new photos!

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 21, 2025, 06:19:16 PM »

As I understand it, the place with the tregs is either on the right side of the photo, or beyond it.
Downstream the stream, as stated in the protocol.
The green color has nothing to do with the burial.

Thank you Axelrod. What is tregs?

Green is the den with the branches and clothes. The dark hole is where the ravine 4 were found . They were reported to be 6 meters apart.

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General Discussion / 1959

« Last post by ahabmyth on May 21, 2025, 06:16:32 PM »

Well if Teddys excursion is still going ahead June 2025 then we are in for a treat. new perspectives all-round I hope. After reading/seeing a few of these pages I now have a reasonably good perspective of the "lay" of the area. In the beginning I was thrown off by strange maps etc of the area and the main jist of this Cedar tree which was off putting as I seemed to think this was the main part of the mystery when in fact there are 3 and all of them equally important -----My thoughts. 1. The Tent 2. The Cedar 3. The Ravine.
From the outset we need to remember that the idea of the exercise was to complete a Grade 3 competency test. From what I understand only Dyatlov and Dubinina alread had Grade 3, all the others ? but would imagine Grade 2. But keep in mind throughout life and whatever jobs you have there are always people who slip through the net and get their badges and placed higher up the ladder than you. (its a crazy world).
1.The tent -why high up on the mountain, struggling over rocks ( we know they ended up off course, maybe Dyatlov wanted to keep the height but sacrifice cover (if he knew where he was). Anyhow they erect the tent (no stove it was found still in its box). Had a meal and retreat for the night. I assumed it may have been an animal ( choice of bear or wolverine )attracted by the smell, but as there was no stove the group would have eaten a cold meal. This in itself seems strange as they are behaving strangely but we are assuming they ate. Did Dyatlov change the rules after all they are going for their Grade 3  although there are times and places to put pressure on.  Not realizing the severity of the weather. Now "assuming" they all went to sleep. Either Dyatlov would show them what pressure was or a stray missile, or bears.  So pitch black and wheres my shoe 1.5klms, no thats not my sweater 9 people who laid their clothes out when it was fairly light now have to find them, wheres that torch/lantern.Ok they will have to do, now what. 2. Go to the Labaz 1.5klm downhill. Oh joy this is easy I am gaining a lot of speed maybe too much argh I have hit the rock field and have smashed face and ribs at least its freezing and cant feel the pain, so now the rest have to carry me to at least that big Cedar, we try to light a fire - not enough to keep going dosnt need the whole group to go back to the tent for dry firewood you 3 go. This 3 succumb to the cold. The 2 at the cedar climb the cedar to look for them coming back. The last 4 go to the Labz  but because of joining arms  in the dark on their way, fall into the ravine ,with no way to scramble out the freezing water quickly takes care of them.----- A hikers exam that went wrong because of the weather and the assumption that he has a shinyer badge than you so must know better.

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General Discussion / Re: Two new photos!

« Last post by Axelrod on May 21, 2025, 05:30:28 PM »

As I understand it, the place with the corpses is either on the right side of the photo, or beyond it.
Downstream the stream, as stated in the protocol.
The green color has nothing to do with the burial.