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General Discussion / Re: Tent dimensions
« Last post by Arjan on November 02, 2024, 12:18:41 PM »
Studying the photos retrieved from the films found by the first search party and the photos made by the first search party, two dimensions of the tent are of interest.

First dimensions of the tent in use before the ascend to the last camp site

The first dimensions of the tent as used by the complete Dyatlov group are available on the website dyatlovpass.com under:
https://dyatlovpass.com/1959-search?flp=1#the-tent

The dimensions are: 4 meters long and 1.8 meters width. These dimension fit a group of 8 to 10 group members. During a cold night they ought to sleep 'spoonwise' in order to keep themselves warm during the cold night. Of course it is rather tight with all gear inside.

Second dimensions of the tent found standing on one pole (Ski pole?)



Personally I sincerely take into account that the tent had been compressed by the overpressure of a blast wave high in the air during a few milliseconds. After this tiny period of overpressure, the tent had been inflated like balloon by the period of underpressure. After the group members inside the tent had recovered from the blast wave, they had cut themselves out of the tent in panic.

After recovery standing outside in a temporary 'white out' - caused by the underpressure - they had re-erected the tent on one pole for emergency shelter for two or three group members.

This photo made by one member of the first search party show:
- a very probably re-erected tent standing on one pole, that may arguably have been a broken skipole (see arguably the lower part of the broken pole between the person on the photo and the tent)

This probably re-erected tent provides an excellent emergency bivac for two or three persons, who may have easily survived a cold night - covered by many blankets while lying huddled together in the length dimension of the tent. The heads of these two or three group members who had spent the fatal night for the others may probably have been oriented to the opening of the tent near the broken? tent pole.

Remark: the other group members had not survived the cold night while staying in the ravine or near the cedar (both Yuris).   
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General Discussion / Re: Exact distance between tent and cedar
« Last post by Axelrod on November 02, 2024, 05:01:53 AM »
I didn't plan to discuss the crash sites in this thread. Oleg Taimen simply says that he found a more precise location for the tent, with a difference of 50-100-200 meters.

As for the distance, I went to the bank today to pay my rent, I walked the path of Igor Dyatlov and didn't even notice it. The length of our street is 600-630 meters, the difference in height is 30 meters (from the end of the street you can see the roof level of the first house). At first the slope is small, then it increases. It is very strange to imagine that Dyatlov fell exhausted near our house, Rustem Slobodin fell near the next house, and Zina Kolmogorova fell at the very top, where the bus stop is.



When a bus drove along our street (which still drives, but only to the cemetery on weekends), I often got off at the stop at the bottom of the street and went up (like Igor Dyatlov), and my father got off at the next stop (where Zina Kolmogorova is), and then my father went down. It is very strange to imagine that you can die at such a distance, that a trip to the bank will lead to death.

It was hard for me to climb up the mountain in the forest, in the summer at +32*C. When climbing to +150 meters, I stopped to rest 4 times. Therefore, this summer I did not climb the mountains at all and bought berries at the market. I was in the mountains only at the beginning of May, decided to shorten the path through the forest and got lost like Teodora (or rather. The road through the forest led to about the same set where I entered). When I decided to check the dependence of radiation on altitude, I specially waited for it to be cooler. It was Septembrr, 4 (+28*C). At first I walked along the stream, and then climbed to the very top, 300 meters high, like the Eiffel Tower, I walked 2.5 km in 55 minutes, measured the radiation at the cross of the deceased on the ridge and went back.

During the climb I stopped only once to measure the radiation at the cross of the dead in the middle of the climb.
I also measured the radiation at the exit from the city into the forest. At the stone where the man was hit by a car.
When I was going down, I met an old woman of 70 years old from the neighboring village (her mother, 96 years old, lives in the village on the ridge). Such a climb, like to the Dyatlov Pass, was not difficult, neither for me, nor for the old woman.

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General Discussion / Re: Exact distance between tent and cedar
« Last post by GlennM on November 01, 2024, 02:49:31 PM »
https://ibb.co/bzV2dWT

Accordinb to your diagram, where did Igor, Rustem and Zina fall? Was it before they got to the steeper part of the slope? What does this say about their physical strength?
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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"
« Last post by Teddy on November 01, 2024, 11:37:50 AM »

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General Discussion / Re: Exact distance between tent and cedar
« Last post by Axelrod on November 01, 2024, 12:42:05 AM »
Illustration with difference of 50 m.


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General Discussion / Exact distance between tent and cedar
« Last post by Axelrod on October 31, 2024, 08:36:01 AM »
I noticed that the distance between the tent and the cedar is often indicated as 1 mile in English texts. In Russian texts, the distance is indicated as one and a half kilometers or 1500 meters.

Perhaps this distance in Russian is more accurate. But 1500 meters is less than 1600 meters (1 mile).
It is possible that they really walked a mile if their path was crooked.
BUT there is also such a thing as a difference in altitude of 250-300 meters, that is, we are dealing with the hypotenuse of a triangle. Indeed, if the distance of 1500 meters is included in the geolocation between two points, then this will not be the distance that we will walk on foot, descending the mountain, or measure with a tape measure.
Indeed, 0.3 km * 0.3 km + x * x = 1.5 km * 1.5 km.
From here we get x = ~ 1470 meters.
The difference of 30 meters is the distance I have to walk from my house to throw out the garbage.

Slope with angle 30° will produce diffrence about 200 meters (i.e. 1300 m difference by geolocation and 1500 meters of real path)./ because cos(30°)=0.866

Since they are trying to carefully determine the location of the tent as the site of a supposed avalanche or installation of a monument, I would like to hear an opinion on what distance in geolocation we are dealing with.

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General Discussion / Re: Food in tent AM or PM
« Last post by GlennM on October 30, 2024, 01:21:23 PM »
I understand. Thanks for the reply.
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General Discussion / Re: Food in tent AM or PM
« Last post by Axelrod on October 29, 2024, 11:21:39 PM »
Igor Dyatlov was born on January 13. Address: Pervouralsk, Sadovaya Street, 13.

The main thought was that they died on February 1.
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General Discussion / Re: Tent dimensions
« Last post by GlennM on October 29, 2024, 09:25:12 PM »
I recently looked at thr four images of the tent pn DyatlovPass.com. and what I find remarkable is the sheer amount of damage to the side of the tent the camera was on. I can not speak to the damage, if any that happened when the tent was helicoptered out of the area. Instead, when I look at the photos, it seems overkill to have so much of the tent savaged form the purpose of escape. I do not know why, but when I look at those photos, I think of how Jack the Ripper lingered over his victims. For people who needed to leave the area, it just looks like more time, effort and possibly knives were used to open a hole in the fabric that could be better used grabbing boots and blankets by the tourists!

Although the tent was finally thrown out after it all but rotted, there is nothing like blood, tree debris, animal odor or fire scorch to suggest that anything other than big snow made them leave the tent and area.

If nothing else, once they made mincemeat out of that shelter, their expedition must have been over. Could they really expect to continue to Ortoten, round it and come back the same way, collect their gear, collect their cache and shuffle downhill all the way to Vizhay and home? I'll wager that they were just bold enough to believe they could do it without a tent. That is hubris and hubris may have been the death of them all, sadly.


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General Discussion / Re: Food in tent AM or PM
« Last post by GlennM on October 29, 2024, 12:57:29 PM »
Axelrod, any number of parallels and coincidences can be tied to any event. I need a clearer understanding of why you would submit this information to the forum. I appreciate further enlightenment.
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