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General Discussion / Re: I can't even think of setting up a labaz here

« Last post by sarapuk on June 03, 2026, 12:51:04 PM »

...and I am not so sure it was terror-able! Terrible suggests running away in fear, but their descent seemed more deliberate. We would say it was terrible knowing what they didn't. Perhaps they saw it, a windblown crush of snow on an unprotected bare slope, as an annoyance, a delay, an inconvenience which would be overcome when the weather abated. Surely returning hungry and a mile trek uphill to dig out the tent was not a fun prospect. Then there was the question of mending the tent before moving on or afterward. I can hear it now, " You were pretty handy  with the knife, let's  see what you can do with a needle and thread!" If it worked out for them, it would be a story to share while toasting vodka in a warm room.

Ahh ah. But I'm not suggesting it was terror-related. I'm just saying terrible.

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Meteor / Re: Boston Meteor on May 30, 2026

« Last post by sarapuk on June 03, 2026, 12:46:24 PM »

Neither are military, KGB, LGM, Mansi,Yeti, group infighting , temptations nor threats. Weather does not sell books..

How many people are actually selling books about the Dyatlov mystery, and how many people are making money out of it? >

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Meteor / Re: Meteor today

« Last post by sarapuk on June 03, 2026, 12:44:33 PM »

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''Reports of lights in the sky or ground attributed to UFO's are opinions and very much a sign of the times. Some people presume that alien space ships need parking lights or cow levitating lighted vacuums''.

You are too eager to dismiss UFOs, etc.

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Interviews / Re: Lawyer Proshkin on the dead cosmonaut 02|02|59

« Last post by sarapuk on June 03, 2026, 12:26:40 PM »

Is it not the case that in this Dyatlov mystery, there crops up regularly the suggestion that it was a result of a failed military test of some kind? So we see variations on the theme. Even though there is absolutely no evidence that there was any failure of a military nature.

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Zinaida Kolmogorova / Re: some rare zina pictures|несколько редких фотографий зины

« Last post by sarapuk on June 03, 2026, 12:13:16 PM »

I'm a little confused. its a certificate of no importance? .

Or it could be said that everything is relevant.

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General Discussion / Re: Help me get to the bottom of this

« Last post by GlennM on June 02, 2026, 09:16:42 PM »

Ziljoe, the photo of the tree climber leads me to think the Yuris would not have suffered a fatal fall from that height into snow. They died another way in another place and must have been laid out to be found later. How and where are the mystery.

The creek is certainly more full of vegetation n than I imagined. In winter it must have been a twig and branch filled mess to get through. That said, plowing through it would produce a ready supply of mat material.

It certainly does not appear to be of any great size in these photos. It is hard to compare to the1959 recovery photos.

As always, your analytical mind and insights open new avenues of thought.

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General Discussion / Re: Help me get to the bottom of this

« Last post by Ziljoe on June 02, 2026, 06:45:07 PM »

Full set of photos from the 1963 hike https://dyatlovpass.com/gallery-yakimenko-1963

I think this is the area and location of the stream that the letter implies that the logs / branches remained and the cave(snow cave) we can see the potential branches across the stream. Some of these branches may never have been seen by the searcher's. I'm not sure if this location in the ravine is the same as recent expeditions . They look slightly different and I will need to check as the stone formation is quite significant in this photo.







The same location but the photo is looking down on the stream.




The possible broken and cut small trees used for some flooring , although it looked like the birch tree which I think there was one found.



A hiker climbing the cedar( many tourists climbed trees on hikes). It's not difficult and not very high. We can have a guess at the height that was reached from this photo, his head will be at about 4 meters so another arm reach will be close to 5 meters to retrieve branches . Not exactly intimidating or high.



The cedar with a probe standing beside it , the probe , or probes can be seen in several photo's. Also in the background is the fallen tree.

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General Discussion / Re: Help me get to the bottom of this

« Last post by Ziljoe on June 02, 2026, 05:56:03 PM »

Thank you Glennm

I've been going back and forth , up and down, left and right on the matter for some sort of snow cave or hole for years now.

It's not perfect but ultimately it is the most obvious thing to have happened . I've been in snow and made snow caves , a bank of snow is easy to dig into , at least in the right conditions. We have videos and photos of recent expeditions to the pass and we can see a combination of different snow falls and snow consistency at different times and year's.

You actually made me think slightly different about a possible scenario although it raises different questions . The ravine 4 might have been placed there after a snow collapse , the other hikers dug them out , and the collapse was over the den flooring . From the description at the scene it's difficult to evaluate the angles of the debris trail but from the searchers photo's it seems to be natural slope from the cedar side which I suspect is where the debris trail was . My reason for that conclusion is the vertical back snow wall in the photo's as the searchers must have followed a ground based trail.

The ravine 4 are quite well dressed and most suited for that type of work given at least two of them had boots , hats etc.

I'm trying to fathom out if Lynda had her leg manipulated because of the loose stocking , ripped leg and part jumper or jacket on her leg. I still don't fully understand the nature or description of how this half number was applied to her lower leg. I've got mixed ideas regarding that depending on what version I believe.

But, if the ravine 4 were dead and bodies exposed , then I would think the clothes would have been used to keep warm by the others , to the regain the tent.

A snow hole is the best survival solution for a short period of time for survival, there's no arguing that . Everything we see seems to be an attempt to at least try that approach by the hikers.

I've recently been looking and scratching my head again about the footwear and trying to find a pattern or reasons as to how you would utilise the team for the most appropriate task given what was been worn by the individuals.

I'm not sure how to join all the variables but a sequence might help us get there . The injuries for the ravine 4 are extremely high on the crush and compression forces. What the autopsy seems to reveal,is they died in that way , they were crushed and compressed with little or no relief from that crushing force , whatever caused the crushing wasn't removed off the chest. We have two possibilities, a tree or a mass of snow....

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General Discussion / Re: Help me get to the bottom of this

« Last post by GlennM on June 02, 2026, 04:57:50 PM »

Ziljoe's explanation ticks a lot of boxes for me. I am left wondering about the cave construction. As I said, if the hikers dug down to where the matt was found, is that not a snow cave or is that considered a chute instead? Does a cave by definition have to be a horizontal excavation?
If a cave must be horizontal and if the R4 used hands, legs and cut branches as digging tools, can we say the cave collapsed on them right where they were found?

I would expect those caught in the collapse would all show signs of a struggle to free themselves. Other than the obvious skeletal damages, they all appear to be resting, napping in some way, shape or form. Was this exhaustion and resignation?

I accept that in favorable conditions, the making of a snow cave is the smart thing to do. It had to be big enough for the R4 and possibly IRZ too. That would be a substantial excavation.

I assume they all intended to get back to the tent. I believe excavating a snow cave requires effort. I wonder if too much effort was expended and they were caught up in an exhausted state. This is why they were found as they were.

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Meteor / Re: Boston Meteor on May 30, 2026

« Last post by SURI on June 01, 2026, 08:30:56 PM »

Neither are military, KGB, LGM, Mansi,Yeti, group infighting , temptations nor threats. Weather does not sell books..

By the way, Mansi, that's an interesting thing.

„Yes, Mansi, Mansi, Mansi. This word comes up more and more often in our conversations.“

They constantly followed the "Mansi trail".

„Today as yesterday were are following the path of Mansi.
Here the trail takes us to the shores of the river. We lose track. In the future, the trail follows the left bank of Auspiya river...“

But the biggest job they had was rewriting and singing the songs. They practically didn't think about anything else. And what a bunch of them they wrote...