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General Discussion / Re: Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 02, 2025, 04:57:19 PM »

No, not advertising at all, just embracing a new way to research. Sales pitch lol, what interest do you think I have in this thing? What's the name of his book(s)? I'll have Igor read them! 

Embracing.....

From using AI in Google about AI?.

While ChatGPT can be a helpful tool for generating text and exploring ideas, it's crucial to understand that it's not a reliable source of factual information for research. Its responses, while often seemingly accurate, can be misleading or even fabricated, especially in specialized fields. It's important to verify information from ChatGPT with credible sources and be aware of its limitations.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Reasons for Caution:
Fabricated References:
ChatGPT has been shown to generate fabricated references, making it difficult to verify the accuracy of its claims.
Lack of Real-Time Data:
ChatGPT's knowledge is limited to the data it was trained on, which doesn't include real-time updates.
Difficulty with Complex Subjects:
ChatGPT may struggle with nuanced concepts and deeper dives into specific research areas.
Potential for Bias:
ChatGPT's responses can be influenced by the data it was trained on, leading to potential biases.
Not a Replacement for Expertise:
ChatGPT should not be used as a substitute for in-depth knowledge or critical thinking in research.

Axelrod rods book and his reference to his mother and family.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1650.0

Direct link to Dyatlov pass and numerous later research.

https://dyatlovpass.com/

Direct link to all theories through the Dyatlov pass forum which also has many links to other forums with respected researches.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php

Your comments regarding reading Axelrod's book as riveting then following by lol and then suggesting that Igor reads them with a giggle could be perhaps seen as trolling.

A Lot of work has been done by many  people , right or wrong misguided or inaccurate.

I suggest reading them in their entirety and then see if AI is matching what has been said or not said. , Happy researching, I look forward to reading your observations and conclusions through your own work and effort.

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General Discussion / Re: Strange injuries to Kolevatov

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 02, 2025, 04:42:21 PM »

Probably I will make a seperate post about the consequences of a blasting meteor high in the air illustrated by and based upon the meteor that flew over Russia in 2013.

As appetiser I will already include in this reply videos about:
- an explanation about Mach wave behind a supersonic airplane: see:
- a compilation about videos of the effects of this meteor on people and buildings: see:

On video of a compilatio of the effects on:
7:00 doors and windows are displaced while the solid structure remains standing
8:42 Hollow structure of the building - in analogue with ribcage - fractured, while solid elektricity poles and wires remain intact standing.
10:03 Hole in the ground caused by the meteor.

In the map below similar kind of holes (encircled on the map) are visible within a distances of some 10 km from the Dyatlow Pass.



To avoid misunderstandings, I do not claim that any of these holes are made by a meteor, although I may/might well be the case.

Would this be the ravine event, or the initial event? Something got them out of the tent, but they made no rush downhill, but left everything. Then something else happened. The strangest combination of two separate events.

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General Discussion / Re: Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 02, 2025, 04:14:56 PM »

No, not advertising at all, just embracing a new way to research. Sales pitch lol, what interest do you think I have in this thing? What's the name of his book(s)? I'll have Igor read them! 

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General Discussion / Re: Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 02, 2025, 03:50:00 PM »

I understand your reservations because I have had them up until recently. It's a money thing also, if you notice its first responses they were generic like it was possibly Zina or Dubinina but then when I changed to the beta 4.5 model and did a Deep Research (I pay $20 a month for Plus access) you saw the difference. It also searched snopes which it doesn't do unless it's a deep research. I'm sure Axelrods book is riveting lol, but I'll pass. I am fairly confident the photo is of a hiker from a previous expedition.

What's a money thing? At 20 dollars a month you could buy several books, the forum is free as is the website and Axelrod's book in several languages.

You questioned your own research V AI , after asking different questions in the AI , you are now confident that this hiker is from a different expedition, how do you know which is true? How can the AI tell the difference?

This is sounding more like a sales pitch by the minute. Why even mention £20 dollars a month for AI when it's inaccurate and the material for research is free?

I really hope you are not advertising. It's been a slow sales pitch.....

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General Discussion / Re: Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 02, 2025, 03:11:16 PM »

Piece of advice. In the written word, one can not see the wink and smile. Conversely, you can't see the bottom teeth showing to differentiate between a thoughtful comment and a snarky remark.

I think the AI effort to divine Igor's thoughts as an explanation for ultimately abandoning the tent might produce a useful thread. I personally think there was no choice except do or die at the tent. An AI query would have to be based on fact and lead to an inescapable conclusion. The reason I do not hold out much hope is that by definition an unknown compelling force is unknown. That variable is the Rosetta Stone of the mystery. I suppose various scenarios could be fed to the bot, but at some point a human is going to assign values for greater and lesser likelihood. And then we are back to speculation.

Have you tried AI Igor? Don't question his authority! Personally, I think AI does better at character impersonation than it does (at the free level) at reasoning sometimes. I tend to use the basic model even though I don't have to.

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General Discussion / Re: Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 02, 2025, 03:08:08 PM »

I understand your reservations because I have had them up until recently. It's a money thing also, if you notice its first responses they were generic like it was possibly Zina or Dubinina but then when I changed to the beta 4.5 model and did a Deep Research (I pay $20 a month for Plus access) you saw the difference. It also searched snopes which it doesn't do unless it's a deep research. I'm sure Axelrods book is riveting lol, but I'll pass. I am fairly confident the photo is of a hiker from a previous expedition.

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General Discussion / Re: Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

« Last post by Ziljoe on May 02, 2025, 01:49:27 PM »

Exactly, as it's been discussed before. 

I understand your frustration now, especially since Axelrod seems to be muddying the waters with old stuff. That's on him but the nature of this forum is that someone new (like me) is always joining and maybe he's trying to peddle his wares essentially. I had never heard of the situation and thankfully didn't have to invest too much time searching thanks to the AI. To someone like you who probably knows everything about the incident, this is obviously very tedious.

Around, around the mulberry bush.. Don't go pop!

I don't know everything about the incident but I do know there's a lot of fake news about the Dyatlov pass. It is the same fake news that is used in political circles and social media. It will be extremely difficult if not impossible for AI to differentiate between factual and fake news regardless of the questions asked on any topic. There are many theories and they all have their own holes and contradictions. None unfortunately are conclusive.

Researching them all is time consuming and takes a lot of cross-reference. Even some of the original witnesses that gave later interviews suggest their statements were used in an manipulative way or misused in later theories.


The question is, what information can we trust ?. We now have ( or Ido) a better understanding of the Mansi tree signs and there family names.

We have a picture from the searchers saying " unknown body " which is just a description of the photo. It is not saying there was a uknow body at the pass.

The later picture of the woman sitting on the skis is just that , an unknown picture that could be taken from any hike at that time in history. The accuracy as to when it was dropped into the Dyatlov pass incident is open to debate but as far as it has been researched the picture has no connection to the case files.

Axelrod has written a collection of the theories in his book which would also be a good place for you to start and the Dyatlov pass website. From there you could find good questions to use your AI  to confirm those theories?

It is tedious for sure but researching always has been....

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General Discussion / Re: Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

« Last post by GlennM on May 02, 2025, 01:33:46 PM »

Piece of advice. In the written word, one can not see the wink and smile. Conversely, you can't see the bottom teeth showing to differentiate between a thoughtful comment and a snarky remark.

I think the AI effort to divine Igor's thoughts as an explanation for ultimately abandoning the tent might produce a useful thread. I personally think there was no choice except do or die at the tent. An AI query would have to be based on fact and lead to an inescapable conclusion. The reason I do not hold out much hope is that by definition an unknown compelling force is unknown. That variable is the Rosetta Stone of the mystery. I suppose various scenarios could be fed to the bot, but at some point a human is going to assign values for greater and lesser likelihood. And then we are back to speculation.

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Murdered / Re: Murder Indead

« Last post by Marc on May 02, 2025, 06:26:11 AM »

Thinking a little more. I am aware that many people try to delve into the past of hikers, possible connections with intelligence agencies, etc., in great detail to find clues to what happened. It is possible, but I do not particularly believe in any grand conspiracy, or state involvement. Most of the hikers were very young people and more dedicated to hiking than anything else.
Rather, I have the feeling that something simpler happened there, but the likelihood of which is not high. The Dyatlov Pass incident could easily be one of those low-probability incidents in life. Why do I mean low-probability? Because 99.99% of people do not kill another person (much less a group of people), even if you offend them, enter their territory or do not like their cultural views or personal behavior, etc. But it could have happened during the hike somewhere and somehow.
The incident happened in a relatively remote area. Other hikers or local hunters do not roam around there at night. Even if there was someone in the camp relatively close, they do what the Dyatlov group does - prepare the camp for the night.
My gut feeling is that something happened during the hike that gave someone a reason to follow the Dyatlov group and wait for a certain moment. It could have been hours before or even days. As I said before, it is entirely possible that the initial desire was not to kill, but to beat and sow fear. Why did it all turn into such a tragedy? We can speculate about this for decades to come - there are, as we know, an endless number of possibilities.
Relatively experienced hikers run out of their tent at night, gather together after the first fright, and move hundreds of meters away from the tent into the night, without proper shoes or clothes! I don't think any weather phenomenon, avalanche (of which we also have no evidence) could do that. To me - only hostile people with hostile intentions would explain such behavior.
I don't think the intruders followed them to the cedar. They didn't have to. They were just making sure the hikers couldn't get back to the tent. Maybe they waited there for a few hours and then decided the risk was too great. So, they followed the hikers' tracks and found them in different places and in different states of health. And that's where things escalated into a horrible sequence of events.
It seems that some members of the Dyatlov group tried to get back to the tent. Maybe they didn't hear anything from the tent anymore and took a chance. Apparently it was a desperate attempt, where fear of strangers no longer played a big role, because what was the chance of surviving without clothes and shoes?

Of course, all speculation.

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General Discussion / Re: Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 02, 2025, 04:09:05 AM »

Exactly, as it's been discussed before. 

I understand your frustration now, especially since Axelrod seems to be muddying the waters with old stuff. That's on him but the nature of this forum is that someone new (like me) is always joining and maybe he's trying to peddle his wares essentially. I had never heard of the situation and thankfully didn't have to invest too much time searching thanks to the AI. To someone like you who probably knows everything about the incident, this is obviously very tedious.

Around, around the mulberry bush.. Don't go pop!