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General Discussion / Re: Clothes

« Last post by ahabmyth on June 29, 2025, 07:15:46 AM »

I always "ass"umed this was Igor carrying the tent. Must be thin gloves/mitts.
I also surmised that it was Dub behind Igor because of the lighter clothes but could be wrong as her feet are covered.

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General Discussion / Re: Clothes

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on June 28, 2025, 05:28:56 PM »

It's really hard telling who that is but the vibe I get is that it is Rustem because of the hat. I also don't see bare hands, just light colored gloves by the proportions.

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Case Files / Re: what was the entrance to the tent, and what condition was it found in?

« Last post by ahabmyth on June 28, 2025, 04:52:01 PM »

Re Tent entrance.
Yes I am sure I have seen a pic of the tent entrance. Not wanting to sift through all the pics to find it, from what I remember it was approx15-18inches wide and 2ft high. It obviously had to accommodate any hikers backpack so may have been a little bit larger than that I have stated. The fastenings too I remember as being by Toggles not unlike those used by sailors on "Duffle" coats and made of wood with small diameter rope wound in a recess in the toggle. These toggles usually fastened on the flap and a simple loop knot that the toggle slid through fastened to the non-moving part ot the entry. There would be about 8 of these toggles and obviously not totally weatherproof. I would imagine because the tent used was essentially two tents sewn together that there may have been another entrance at the other end. Convenient for  hikers not tripping over one another. In this unfortunate case this method of closing the flaps could have been a hindrance for a quick exit.Hence the tent wall cut with knife.

As for its condition I think it an open and shut case. 

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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"

« Last post by Ziljoe on June 28, 2025, 02:39:48 PM »

The guys in the top picture digging what I thought to be because of slope on the mountain seem to be digging a bit deep. But due to Teddys falling tree theory is there any chance this could have been their den or labaz.

I am guessing that you are talking about the photo with one of the group holding a ski looking at the camera and the others crouching and digging , the back packs are on the slope to the right and all the skis and ski poles are sticking out of the snow on the slope above the trench that's being dug. If this is the photo you mean , then there are at least 5 hikers along the trench line . Allowing 1 meter for each hiker to dig and rotate, then that equals a 5 meter trench minimum.

Teddy does suggest that this may have been the labaz but I would have to argue that 5 meters is too big for a labaz and it would be questionable to build a labaz on an exposed slope . How easy would it be to find on your return , especially when the weather could be doing anything?  . when building the labaz and then digging and retrieving the stored goods , first you have to unpack the back packs which would be slightly easier , but then on your return you have to pack your kit again. These are two unefficient extra stops with variables( finding the labaz in poor weather condition s for example)   , it would make more sense to build a labaz at a campsite when you have all your kit out for the evening , when cutting wood for a fire at that campsite and building the labaz it would also be good to have ready chopped wood for your return , this would then be a good rest night , all that's needed is to pitch the tent .

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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"

« Last post by GlennM on June 28, 2025, 02:30:02 PM »

The den and labaz (cache) have all been identified with confidence. I suggest you go to DyatlovPass.com and look at Teddy's latest post. She has re-arranged case photos in a way that makes sense for her. There is no particular connection between the fallen tree and the den or cache. As I understand it, the fallen tree is somewhere close to the cedar tree. The advantage of the fallen tree, other than inflicting all the wounds in one fell swoop, is
On the other hand, there is a very large logistical problem surrounding moving a fallen pine tree to get stuff out. This is for the hikers as well as the conspirators. I would imaging tent contents and the skis would all suffer from an impact . If the tent were set up in the woods, I would expect to find the on site remains of an outdoor cooking fire as well as a functional tent stove with ashes. Moreover, if the stove was used ( as I think it would ), the tent would likely catch fire.There are burns on several of the hikers, but no burns on the tent.

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General Discussion / Re: Vodka

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on June 28, 2025, 09:30:17 AM »

Yes, AI. ChatGpt. I was just being goofy. A mystery bottle of booze would explain a lot.

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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"

« Last post by ahabmyth on June 28, 2025, 09:06:27 AM »

Am I correct in thinking this is a person. There is a boot sticking out, the person must have just flopped onto the ground in an awkward position.

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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"

« Last post by GlennM on June 28, 2025, 06:59:12 AM »

The top picture did not post, or I can not reference it.

Consider this, if an old canvas stitched together tent is getting blown apart in a fierce wind, the occupants might weigh the benefit of staying ve leaving. On the one hand, staying keeps them near their supplies, even if the essentials like skis can only be gotten to if the tent gets taken down. They have access to the stove, but not fuel. They have blankets and the canvas side of the tent for protection. They have each other.

On the other hand, remaining at the tent does not improve their circumstances. If they need heat, they must find wood. If they were impacted with a snow slide, it could happen again. If they all leave together, they may survive together. Ski boots have less benefit without skis. If the crisis develops in the dark (evidenced by flashlight on slope) and if wind driven snow obscures vision, the distance to the tree line may be under estimated. Once the decision to go down slope is agreed on, there is no good reason to turn around at any point and try to go back. That would not change the situation  for the better.The scouring effect of snow on the slope and buildup in the ravine attests to the conditions.

Their situation could be reduced to the choice of staying in a deteriorating tent gradually and eventually freezing, or trying their luck in the shelter of trees and a warming fire. When you are young, you are immortal and death is something for old people. Nature is indifferent to human opinion.

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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"

« Last post by ahabmyth on June 28, 2025, 06:06:59 AM »

 I fixed the tent (found 6 tins of condensed milk underneath and it still tasted good).

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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"

« Last post by GlennM on June 27, 2025, 09:53:17 PM »

Ahabmyth, I enjoyed the humor and appreciate your assessment of the whole tree and tent conundrum. I would expect that once the occupants left the tent, there would also be the reaching back in for necessities until the situation got corrected and the tent got back into service. There is no evidence of this happening, unless Teddy's condensed milk tin qualiifies. I have my doubts.

Ultimately, the 1079 book is an other conspiracy theory/ coverup story. I feel that the premise for obfuscating the forest site and misdirecting rescuers to the slope of 1079 was a pointless exercise, fooling no one and accomplishing less. I favor a natural cause on 1079, a slab slide perhaps accelerated by a catabatic wind got them out of the tent. The wind itself may have ripped the tent over time. I think it more likely than a tree fall.