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General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Ziljoe on August 08, 2026, 07:46:51 AM »

Hi topaze


It's me that mentioned the wolverine . The theory is more complicated than and quite elegant. Igor B puts a strong sequence of explanations that tie together reasonably well. It's more to with it spraying it's glands than physically fighting. It's a text book example of debate and logical sequence.

The suggestion of  Zina leaving the tent is a thought experiment. It is an example.

I lean towards weather conditions on the whole as that's where the evidence seems to point to.

Everything you suggest and I have suggested has been debated and there are good threads discussing it all.

Back to yours and the drugs. Is there any evidence.?

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General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Topaze on August 08, 2026, 05:12:34 AM »

Hi Ziljoe,

I've been thinking about it a bit, and I think that if it had been a romantic situation, they wouldn't have ALL fled the tent—only Yuri and maybe one other person would have run after her.
Oh, we can consider a whole bunch of psychological causes, such as: a power struggle between Dyatlov and Zolo that might have led to a fight in the tent, for example.

Hi GlennM

“I believe the thread is a red herring and an argument for the sake of arguing.”
Because your Wolverine theory is undoubtedly smarter, I suppose? A group of nine people scared of a 13-kilo creature—and a scavenger at that (it only eats carcasses)—come on, let’s be serious, LOL!

Hi Hunter

If we go with this theory, I, too, would tend to suspect Zolo the most, since he stands out from the other group members’ profiles, and as you’ve already pointed out, he may have been exposed to the Wehrmacht’s Pervitin and could therefore have picked up some bad habits. On the other hand, given his age, it’s plausible that he’s using it to boost his resistance to the cold and physical exertion.

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General Discussion / Bartolomey

« Last post by SURI on August 07, 2026, 11:02:33 PM »

It was obvious to him that they were killed.

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General Discussion / Bartolomey

« Last post by GlennM on August 07, 2026, 05:19:27 PM »

Pyotr Bartolomey took part in the search Mar 13-23, 1959.
"I spent two weeks huddled down in a tent with Ivanov. He was asking me about everything and everybody.
After the first five bodies were found, he was summoned and we parted with the promise that we will continue the conversation. When Ivanov arrived back on the pass (as well as in Ivdel and Sverdlovsk) he was withdrawn, and didn't want to talk even to Maslennikov (the head of the search operation). Ivanov said to me – I can't talk to you, I am not allowed. It was obvious to me that he was told what happened, sworn to silence and he was afraid.

This reads like Ivanov was told something. I think what he was told is something like if you want to keep climbing higher as a civil servant, you should stick to the facts and not make up stories.

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General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Hunter on August 07, 2026, 11:19:48 AM »

Если уж рассматривать версию с использованием неких стимуляторов, то тут я бы в первую очередь поставил бы на Золотарева. Он бывший фронтовик, имел контакты с медицинским институтом. Поэтому мог получить стимуляторы либо как трофей, либо попросил знакомых химиков сделать чет такое.

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If we're considering the possibility of stimulants being used, I'd bet on Zolotarev first. He's a former front-line soldier with connections to the medical institute. So, he could have either obtained the stimulants as trophies or asked his chemist friends to make something similar.

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General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by GlennM on August 07, 2026, 07:42:57 AM »

The DP9 were not hidden, nor posed. If hidden, the criminals have more time to escape. If exposed, they become a message sent by assassins. Neither is true.

The suggestion they were experimental subjects is not supported by any reasonable physical evidence. I believe the thread is a red herring and an argument for the sake of arguing.

The thread is less about a chemical and more about behavior, in this case mass hysteria. Hysterical people scatter, not form a line. Hysterical people do not lay out their companions, shelter in a ravine, nor deliberately backtrack. These are rational, not impulsive behaviors inconsistent with psychoactive drugs.

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General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Ziljoe on August 07, 2026, 01:19:48 AM »

Hi Topaze,

Pont‑Saint‑Esprit is definitely one of those cases that grabs people’s imagination — I remember looking at it years ago myself. It’s a good example of how a dramatic incident can make us think in certain directions.

For Dyatlov, I find it helps to start with the behaviour at the tent first, before jumping to causes. If we describe the psychological event you think happened — what the group actually did — then we can work backwards and explore possible triggers. That keeps things consistent with the case files.

On the footprints — it’s worth remembering that winter tracks can last a very long time. In the right conditions (cold, compacted snow,  wind), they can persist for weeks or even months. It’s a well‑known phenomenon in winter terrain, and the searchers on Dyatlov were familiar with it.

So we really only have two possibilities:

- either the searchers lied about the footprints, 
- or the footprints were exactly as they described.

There isn’t a third option where the phenomenon “doesn’t exist,” because it absolutely does — it’s been documented in many expeditions. That’s why I treat the footprint descriptions as reliable unless there’s evidence they were falsified.

Once the behaviour at the tent is clear, we can look at possible causes — emotional, environmental, physiological, or even something like food or water contamination. There are plenty of options that don’t require stimulants or cover‑ups.

So what psychological event do you think happened at the tent itself?

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General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Topaze on August 07, 2026, 01:01:46 AM »

Hi Ziljoe,

Your scenario with Zina makes perfect sense! However, can we really rely on footprints in the snow that would normally disappear with the first blizzard and/or the first snowfall?

The story about the bread reminds me of the Pont-St-Esprit incident, and it’s funny because it was precisely that incident—along with the MK-ULTRA hypothesis linked to the CIA—that made me think of an experiment conducted on civilians without their consent (at least it showed that the scenario was plausible), even though the bread was initially suspected of containing ergot.

That said, it’s true that sometimes we try to make the facts fit our own theory—you’re not wrong!

😜

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General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Ziljoe on August 07, 2026, 12:16:53 AM »

Hi topaze

Just to clarify my approach — I’m not fixed on one interpretation. I run different models of what might have happened, including psychological ones. The stimulant route doesn’t fit the autopsy or physiology, but a psychological trigger is something that can be explored.

For example, one scenario I looked at a long time ago involved Zina. 
It’s only an example — not a claim — but it shows how a psychological cascade could start without drugs.

When the Evening Otrten was shared, the stove entry about her taking an exaggerated amount of time to set it up with Yuri could easily have embarrassed her.She was in love with him and apprehensive about the hike, there's a small possibility that she opened up to him in this moment of setting up the stove or expressed her self to him .She was already uncomfortable with Yuri being on the trip, and the tent was cramped, cold, and socially intense. If someone read the line out loud about the length of time it took , she may have wanted to burst into tears .If she was stuck away from the entrance and feeling humiliated or overwhelmed, she might have cut the tent to get out quickly. This is an emotional trigger and I remember such painful thoughts from love that made me sick in my stomach by the ache of loving someone who didn't reciprocate the love.

In that kind of moment, the others wouldn’t stay inside analysing the situation — they’d follow her immediately, either to calm her down or to help. That alone could explain why they left so fast, why the tracks show different levels of clothing, and why they headed toward the treeline. It also might explain 8 tracks being shown and them walking in a line as if tracing her footsteps down the slope. After that, the environment takes over: cold, wind, disorientation, and the survival attempts we see in the case files.

That’s just one example of a psychological model that doesn’t require stimulants and still fits the evidence. I’m not saying it happened — only that psychological factors can be explored without needing to rely on pharmacology that doesn’t match the autopsies.

There are threads about mushrooms , tinned canned posing, something in the bread etc.

I’m not trying to be rigid — just keeping each mechanism consistent with the case data. If you want to explore psychological triggers, please do so but if you make claims that don't match my understanding or clinical evidence, I will probably comment.

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General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Topaze on August 06, 2026, 11:18:06 PM »

@Ziljoe
Clearly, we’re not on the same page; you’re constantly playing with words and don’t understand my approach. Initially, yes, I thought it might be a test, but in any case, to me, this whole situation is so full of inconsistencies that I’m focusing on the psychological factor. So I’m feeling my way through this, just like you and everyone else! So I’m looking for substances that can alter consciousness. You’re playing with words because I NEVER said why the product was banned; I simply pointed out—to keep things simple—the side effects that might fall into the psychological realm! You’re too RIGID in your understanding; you should be more FLEXIBLE and try to understand my approach!

@Hunter
At first glance, yes, we do need doctors, but in some cases, we can do without them: all we need is an on-site representative (someone who administers the product and takes notes on any observed effects—or lack thereof). Note that this is HYPOTHETICAL—I’m not making any claims; I’m just exploring the idea! I’d rather make that clear given the nitpicking atmosphere that’s going on here, LOL!