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General Discussion / Re: Food in tent AM or PM

« Last post by Axelrod on October 29, 2024, 11:26:54 AM »

Time of death. it was already the next day in the Far East, February 2.
For example, in Japan. In Japan, the unlucky number is 4 (like 13). Indeed, 02.02 adds up to 4.

The numbers 4 and 9 are considered unlucky in Japanese culture: 4 is a homophone of the word for death (Japanese: 死 shi), and 9 is a homophone of the word for suffering (Japanese: 苦 ku). The number 13 is also considered unlucky, but this is a borrowing of a similar fear from European cultures.

As a result, nine died on the Asian side, and the tenth Yudin died on the European side in Solikamsk.

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General Discussion / Re: Food in tent AM or PM

« Last post by Ziljoe on October 29, 2024, 08:04:59 AM »

I think that not only the abandonment of the tent, but also the death of all the tourists occurred on the evening of February 1.

The last entry about assembling the stove during 1 hour 02 minutes 27.4 seconds is a prophetic entry.
These are not just digits/numbers, but a prediction.
1 hour 02 minutes denotes February, 1 (in Russian the order is day, month, year)
27.4 seconds denotes April, 27 (Yudin's date of death in 2013, the hike long as live).

Spooky, 274 adds up to 13

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General Discussion / Re: Food in tent AM or PM

« Last post by Axelrod on October 29, 2024, 01:10:44 AM »

I think that not only the abandonment of the tent, but also the death of all the tourists occurred on the evening of February 1.

The last entry about assembling the stove during 1 hour 02 minutes 27.4 seconds is a prophetic entry.
These are not just digits/numbers, but a prediction.
1 hour 02 minutes denotes February, 1 (in Russian the order is day, month, year)
27.4 seconds denotes April, 27 (Yudin's date of death in 2013, the hike long as live).

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General Discussion / Re: Food in tent AM or PM

« Last post by Ziljoe on October 28, 2024, 07:48:43 PM »

I think the question being posed is that they might have used the wood stove in the early evening to dry clothes and heat some food and melt some water .

To pitch the tent on the slope by 6pm leaves a long night of little entertainment without hot food and an issue in the morning.

It is reported that there was porridge found in a cup so that suggests a bit of cooking. One log is reported to be found also. Could it be that they used wood and the stove, emptied the ashes , then dismantled it before putting their heads down for the night?. If the tent was in the low position , I guess this could be a solution. We could be witnessing the end of the use of the stove , eating and the others that are better dressed re entering the tent and starting to take their outer clothes off when the incident occurs. Equally it could be the early morning meal. ? Food for thought....

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General Discussion / Re: Food in tent AM or PM

« Last post by KathleenDSmith1 on October 28, 2024, 05:17:10 PM »

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Thank You
Kathleen Dee Smith

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General Discussion / Re: The Biggest Mystery Of All...

« Last post by Ziljoe on October 28, 2024, 04:23:09 PM »

Unfortunately, deaths and injury are common with those that partake in outdoor activities.

In the UK and Scottish Mountains there seems to be an average of 600 incidents a year with an average of around 20 deaths .

I would suspect the rest of the world will have similar statistics of accidents or nature overpowering those that do such activities, it is also the nature of the human spirit to take risks for adventure , all be it sad to the regrettable outcomes.

Everything points to the group not being able to gather further equipment from the tent, so from that view point we argue our opinions. We have 2 main arguments as to why leave the tent and leave that tent without more equipment. One being forced by outsiders or secondly something in the environment or nature.

As Glennm quite rightly highlights , any kind of collapse of the tent would cause havoc to those inside packed like sardines. Even if it were to be from the simplest thing as a main rope giving way or a tent pole snapping , those inside are now covered with unsupported canvas. On a campsite next to civilization, this would maybe found funny and time would be taken to slowly crawl out of the entrance .

When we transport the concept of the tent collapsing on an exposed mountain slope with snow and strong winds as opposed to a campsite , actions by those inside would differ because of real potential dangers.

If the wind had been strong and the hikers feared some imminent weather condition, I suspect they would be better dressed expecting to maybe have to take action why they slept. This doesn't seem to be the case, the hikers seem relaxed and without any fear or suspicion of impending emergency action.

About the only set of circumstances that seems to tick most boxes is some kind of snow avalanche or build up of snow that simulates a dangerous avalanche in the hikers mind. It initially causes the collapse, If they stay there in the darkness to try and assess what happened to the tent and how severe this snow collapse/slide was , they fear it may trigger more snow. The decision is made to make a fire in the woods and return in daylight to reclaim their equipment .

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General Discussion / Re: The Biggest Mystery Of All...

« Last post by MDGross on October 28, 2024, 03:27:49 PM »

Yes, "looking at the ripples." Great description of what we're all doing.

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General Discussion / Re: The Biggest Mystery Of All...

« Last post by GlennM on October 28, 2024, 02:28:57 PM »

Your point is a good one. It vexes all of us who are in favor of the natural causes explanation. It has been claimed the single set of all the tourists footprints descended the slope show a walking pattern. For me, this means they had the presence of mind to control their actions, including going back in the tent as an option. Something precluded that choice. Since the tent is now gone and its location on 1079 is arguable, we are at a loss for a clue. That said, during all the time the tent was in storage, we have nothing to indicate there was anything about it to stimulate further examination ( blood,,scent,,sap,,scorch,,etc.)
For me, I support the idea that they didn't because they couldn't..as in bringing down more slab onto the tent. I think too that they underestimated the distance to the woods,,especially at night.

It was pointed out by another forum veteran that whereas Soviet hiking expeditions were a "thing", calamity and fatality did happen. It would be snarky of me to say," common sense ain't so common". It may go back to hubris on their part.  Sometimes this exercise reminds me of standing on the edge of a swimming pool and trying to deduce what was tossed in the other end by only looking at the,ripples.

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General Discussion / Re: The Biggest Mystery Of All...

« Last post by MDGross on October 28, 2024, 01:51:08 PM »

Certainly a plausible scenario. I wonder though, after they had extricated themselves from the collapsed tent, why not stop and assess the situation? Then send one or two team members back inside the tent and gather shoes, coats, gloves and blankets. These experienced cold-weather hikers would have known the greatest danger was hypothermia.

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General Discussion / Re: Theory from my new book

« Last post by MDGross on October 28, 2024, 01:33:09 PM »

Thanks for the synopsis of your book and best of luck with it. One thing I didn't see (although maybe you mention it somewhere else in your book) is any reference to "The Daily Otorten," the piece of whimsy and satire written by the group on their last night in the tent. It seems they were relaxed and in a playful mood, which is the last thing one would expect had a team member suffered a serious accident as you describe.