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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by bongyi on October 21, 2026, 09:06:00 AM »
I do not know. It's already strange that then there would be a difference in the conditions at the cedar and at the beginning of the journey to the tent, so that someone freezes while moving! And why is he lying on his back, stretched out and hugging the tree branch? Why not protect yourself curled up from the cold? And the much weaker Zina would go much further! That's quite impossible, let's face it!

Obviously it didn't happen that way! But then how?
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General Discussion / Re: The clues in the snow
« Last post by Ziljoe on October 21, 2026, 08:43:57 AM »
Every time something is stated as a fact but is not true, it then undermines anything that person says.
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General Discussion / Re: 2 Chinese lanterns
« Last post by bongyi on October 21, 2026, 08:38:19 AM »

Yet, Ivanov chose him and one more person from the entire list—even after 30 years!—and named them as the ultimate culprits of the entire incident. They kept silent, they kept quiet, and they profited from it. Surely you understand what that implies. And if it were even remotely possible, they would have been arrested.

No just Ivanov, but Lyuda's father also accused these people. I think Ivanov is trying to divert attention from his own responsibility.
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General Discussion / Re: The clues in the snow
« Last post by bongyi on October 21, 2026, 08:26:47 AM »
Had they pitched their tent under the conditions that existed at the time, they would have simply lit their stove the following morning to warm up after a cold night before setting off.

Fixing the tent on the mountainside does not allow the stove to be installed. Tent's side braces were missing. The tent can safety only be set up among the trees, where stable fixing can be solved. But apart from that, the issue of firewood is also problematic. Although they talk about the firewood found in the tent, it can be assumed that it actually had a different role (insulation between the pipe of the stove and the canvas of the tent)
So they couldn't have lit the stove in the morning and warmed up.
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General Discussion / Re: The clues in the snow
« Last post by bongyi on October 21, 2026, 08:07:52 AM »
@Osi

Everything must be questioned! Any reference to authority is fundamentally doubtful.
I think you have good insights! I don't usually fail to praise them!
Use your head!

There are several contradictions:
How much snow fell during February 1-2? 1cm or 40cm (only you invented the latter)?
Why are there no clues of up coming if there are down  walk footprints?
Fresh snow or firn? Dyatlov writes about firn on the 31st, even though snowfall is reported in the diary on the 30th (little snow fell on the 30th as well; the sky is clear on the 31st)! Is it possible to go up  the firn with skis?
If the skis leave no trace, then why should we accept the argument that they could not have been strangers at the tent because they have no trace?

Where can you access the logs of other tour groups? In principle, there were 6 groups on the road in the area at the same time, if I remember correctly! It would be very important to read these travel diaries in order to clarify the weather conditions!
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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by amashilu on October 21, 2026, 07:04:12 AM »
If he was one of the first to die, then again, why did he die?
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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on October 21, 2026, 05:57:44 AM »
If he was the last one alive, why didn't he dig himself a shelter?
Probably, Igor was one of the first to die. Otherwise, he would have taken additional clothing from the corpses. The last to die were R4, and we can see clearly that they borrowed pullovers, pants, and more from their friends, who had already been dead.
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General Discussion / Why did Igor die?
« Last post by amashilu on October 21, 2026, 05:42:54 AM »
Igor's autopsy notes that although he was certainly beat up, ".....the above-mentioned injuries are light and not damaging to health" and concludes that therefore he died from freezing.

I am trying to understand this.

Igor was experienced at winter hiking and knew how to build a snow shelter. He was warmly dressed (except for shoes), injured but not incapacitated, strong, intelligent, and skillful, and certainly had a will to live.

If he was the last one alive, or one of the 2 or 3 last ones, why didn't he dig himself a shelter?

Do we believe that he just laid down and died?

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General Discussion / Re: The clues in the snow
« Last post by Osi on October 21, 2026, 03:32:44 AM »
@Bongyi
Where did you get the idea that there was 40 cm of snowfall?
We are dealing with a case that has remained unsolved for 67 years, despite the evidence, reports, and testimonies at our disposal. I have spent many years living in a region characterized by both open terrain and forests—an area prone to heavy snowfall and avalanches. I can say that I am well-versed in geography, cartography, climate, landforms, and vegetation. Furthermore, I have personal experience with winter tent camping, typically in groups of one or two people. I am very familiar with cedar, pine, fir, and birch trees, and I know exactly what kind of tracks are left when walking through snow. I value the fact that people on this forum share their ideas and theories based on their own areas of expertise; a formal source is not always required for such contributions. I know that Ziljoe is a skilled researcher; he is able to draw connections between events by citing examples of various tragedies from around the world. Similarly, Gleen has put forward ideas that had never been discussed or examined before. Both have applied the principles of logic and philosophy in great detail to the questions and issues at hand. While the information gathered from existing sources provides a roadmap, it ultimately leads one into a labyrinth.
There was at least a meter of snow on the slopes of Kholat. Considering that it did not snow every single day, we can estimate how much snow fell on Kholat during a single snowfall event. Seeing snow of this depth on the slopes should provide an idea of ​​how much snow was deposited by the few significant snowfall events that occurred throughout the winter—amounting to roughly 30–40 cm.
I believe that the sequence of events leading to this tragedy—the factors that made pitching a tent necessary, the subsequent destruction of that tent, and the eventual displacement of the children into the forest—all stemmed from a major snowfall. Had they pitched their tent under the conditions that existed at the time, they would have simply lit their stove the following morning to warm up after a cold night before setting off. Under those conditions, you would not see "raised" footprints; to create a footprint that stands 15 cm above the surrounding surface, one would have to compress 50 cm of fresh, wet snow. Given the actual snowfall, any step taken on the slope would have simply crushed and crumbled the snow, leaving behind depressed, hollowed-out footprints.
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General Discussion / Re: The clues in the snow
« Last post by bongyi on October 21, 2026, 01:40:10 AM »
@GlennM

They did not return to any previous camp! You may have misunderstood something!
It's totally comical for you to pretend you have to deduce that the group left late on February 1st.  This is a common knowledge thing and not your conclusion.
What is your conclusion is that Gyatlov would have an injury that would make him the slowest member of the group. It's a fiction on your part that nothing justifies, quite the opposite:

Gyatlov takes the tent, which we don't even fold properly, so it sticks out of the backpack and the wind can hold on to it. Obviously, it's not an injured person who has to move with such difficulty, right?
The hikers go in a line of geese, Gyatlov is in the middle. so he can't fall behind and can't slow down the group.  Keeps the pace of the group moving in the middle.
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