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General Discussion / Re: Krivonischenko's burns

« Last post by amashilu on October 07, 2026, 08:40:16 AM »

Can you flesh out your sequence of events at the cedar which result in Your K's demise? For comparison, I will takenthe point of view he got tired and wet coming down from the tent. He gathered what he could on the ground for gire.He had an idea that he was going to save his friends by getting firewood. His hands and feet failed him. Je was concussed. He fell across the fire pit. After being made comfortable, others could do no more. My idea has lacunae.

I would like to, GlennM, but I don't have a theory.

Interestingly, Tumanov says that there is insufficient evidence in the autopsy to interpret death as being from hypothermia. He is puzzled why the conclusion signed by the authorities is that Krivonischenko froze to death. He suggests that Krivonischenko died from something else, probably the crack to the right-back side of his head. He would like to see Krivonischenko's body exhumed and re-examined. So would I.

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General Discussion / Re: Krivonischenko's burns

« Last post by GlennM on October 07, 2026, 08:20:08 AM »

Can you flesh out your sequence of events at the cedar which result in Your K's demise? For comparison, I will takenthe point of view he got tired and wet coming down from the tent. He gathered what he could on the ground for gire.He had an idea that he was going to save his friends by getting firewood. His hands and feet failed him. Je was concussed. He fell across the fire pit. After being made comfortable, others could do no more. My idea has lacunae.

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General Discussion / Re: Another take on the mat at the den

« Last post by GlennM on October 07, 2026, 08:08:53 AM »

I once thought along those lines. Nitric acid being the substance that stained their skin. If the chemical plume passed over the tent, then the irritant would become obvious by odor , irritation and degrading of the tent material over its retrieval, inspection and storage..i would suspect that the hikers clothes would be affected similarly.

Too, since we do not have the DP9 wearing any sort of eye protection, a chemical irritant is going to affect eyes and lungs before skin. The trail from tent to woods suggests they could track well enough. The flashlight on the slope is a hint that someone's eyes worked well enough. All nine needed sight to do what they did in the forest.
 
If a missile detonated before, during or after their descent, there is going to be material evidence.  Can you figuremout why the forensic reports were written as they were? A failed rocket would explain much, but it assumes equally as much. Thanks formthemquick reply SrM.

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General Discussion / Re: Krivonischenko's burns

« Last post by amashilu on October 07, 2026, 08:07:18 AM »

You could consider that Krivonischenko fell from the Cedar tree and hit his head. He may have been burned when he fell

Yes, we should try to consider all scenarios.
If he fell from the cedar, he would have to land on his stomach with his left shin in the fire, and his head turned quite a bit to the left so that the back right takes the impact.

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General Discussion / Re: Krivonischenko's burns

« Last post by GlennM on October 07, 2026, 07:56:39 AM »

He would have climbed and fallen from the cedar with frozen socks and numb feet. He was likely unattended after being made comfortable so others could make shelter. Third degree burns hurt, cooked flesh smells. A concussion put him to sleep, and he likely never felt what happened after that. When checked later on, his remains were handled.

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General Discussion / Re: Krivonischenko's burns

« Last post by Ramsay on October 07, 2026, 04:53:14 AM »

You could consider that Krivonischenko fell from the Cedar tree and hit his head. He may have been burned when he fell

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General Discussion / Re: Krivonischenko's burns

« Last post by amashilu on October 07, 2026, 03:27:42 AM »

The parts in the autopsy about the brain indicate a pretty strong smack to the head:

 ...."in the right temporal region and occipital region there is diffuse hemorrhaging seeping into the right temporal muscle. The dura mater is bluish and full of blood. The pia is muddy and swollen. The gyrus and sulcus are poorly distinguished. The brain matter has a jelly-like appearance and is reddish green in color. The grey matter is poorly distinguished from the white. The contours of the lateral ventricles of the brain are poorly distinguished."

In layman's terms, this means there is widespread bleeding on the right side of the head (near the temple and the back of the head) that has soaked directly into the temple muscle. The tough, outermost protective sack surrounding the brain is stained blue-purple and engorged with trapped blood.  The delicate, innermost membrane directly touching the brain surface looks cloudy ("muddy") and is filled with fluid. The normal, distinct folds (ridges and grooves) on the surface of the brain are flattened, blurry, or swollen together. (I had to use AI for this.)

It really looks like he was beat up and burned, but I don't know how to reconcile this with there being no outsiders  (murderers) present.

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General Discussion / Re: Krivonischenko's burns

« Last post by amashilu on October 07, 2026, 03:15:55 AM »

Yes, I agree it cannot be a quick in-and-out. Third degree burns take longer.

Tumanov (a forensic medical expert) suggests a vertical position, with the fire coming up from below, since the burn is far worse on the last third of the shin; for example, he is sitting on a branch of the cedar, and somehow a fire is below his left shin.

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General Discussion / Re: Another take on the mat at the den

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on October 07, 2026, 02:02:10 AM »

Can you put a name to this moving threat?

I would call it "dangerous cloud" - fuel evaporation from rocket's tanks that was dragged by the wind from top of the ridge to the tent's site, then further downhill.

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KGB / Radiation / Military involvement / Re: Theory of Evacuation via Air Flare and coordinated rescue (Ramsay's Theory)

« Last post by Ramsay on October 07, 2026, 02:01:06 AM »

I’ll double-check if it was Slobtsov who was holding the urine sample; I might have mixed things up.
Regarding the flare: I believe it was an aerial flare fired during a military test (the OARS-57 flare was a version of the ARS-57 rocket, which was undergoing testing in the USSR in 1959). Although such flares didn't exist during World War II, artillery target markers were also created using signal pistol flares (there were even occasional instances of light aircraft, like the "Night Witches'" Po-2, flying behind enemy lines to fire them).
(During the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s, the Soviet Air Force used bombers to fire artillery target markers in the mountains.)
Therefore, if Zolotarev spotted an aircraft conducting an operation upon exiting the tent, I conclude that he ordered an orderly evacuation to the safest area—northeast toward the forest—which was likely the best position for protection against a potential bombing run, given that the flare might have been fired in the direction of the Labaz (supply cache) to the south.
Krivonischenko was in the tent with the rest of the group and left his camera there (frame 34). Zolotarev photographed the light and descended the mountain  the camera. As we know, the "image degradation" here wasn't caused by water damage; this is exactly what the camera managed to capture.