Let's ground this thread back in physical reality instead of parsing fragments of edited posts to score points. The hikers followed good practice .
Bongyi, the videos and statements you shared completely defeat your own arguments when you look at the raw physics, medical reality, and literal case files:
1. The Batoning Myth: You are fundamentally confusing cutting a tree with splitting a log. To baton wood with a knife using the technique in your video, you first need a log processed down into a manageable size. The hikers had zero saws or axes at the cedar. There were no manageable sizes to work with. You cannot baton an infinite, raw, cylindrical tree branch down the middle with a pocket knife; you will simply trap, bind, and lose your only blade.
2. The Illusion of Fire Heat: Your second video from the -50°C camp perfectly validates my point about fuel reality. In that footage, a fully clothed man who just stepped out of a heated tent is freezing while standing right next to a fire built of small, loose branches. A small fire made of thin twigs gives off virtually zero ambient heat in a blizzard.
Now let's look at the actual Dyatlov timeline: the hikers had already been exposed to extreme alpine winds for at least 25 to 30 minutes in inadequate clothing before the fire was even lit. This lack of heat is exactly why victims of severe hypothermia desperately stick their limbs directly into and around the fire. They are in a situation so desperate that their motor functions are failing, and sourcing more wood further away becomes physically restricted. They are trapped at that tree.
3. The 'Unburnable' Misconception: Your claim that the cedar branches were unburnable or went unused directly contradicts the official criminal case files. We don't need to guess; we can look directly at Georgy Atmanaki's official interrogation testimony:
'Two meters from the place of their death, behind a cedar, traces of a fire were preserved, quite large, judging by the fact that the surviving embers, up to 80 mm in diameter, burned in half... About twenty meters around the cedar, traces were preserved of how someone present at the cedar cut a young spruce forest with a knife, about twenty such cuts were preserved, but the trunks themselves, with the exception of one, we did not find. It is impossible to assume that they were used for kindling, since, firstly, they burn poorly, and besides, there was a relatively large amount of dry material around.'
Atmanaki completely deflates your point. The fire was quite large and burned through 80 mm thick logs. The wood that 'burned poorly' and went unused was the young spruce cuts, not the weathered cedar branches. Furthermore, Atmanaki explicitly states that the dry branches on the cedar were broken up to 5 meters high, and notes: 'there was no need to cut or chop, since all these young shoots broke easily with even the slightest force.' They weren't performing acrobatic stunts or precision knife carvings; they were snapping dry, resin-heavy wood under extreme physical duress.
Amashilu, dropping a late-life video interview where Yudin mentions a 'purge' completely overlooks the chronological timeline of his research. My point stands: Yudin did not believe human outsiders were involved in the initial crisis at the tent. His private manuscripts (Yudin's Notes) prove his lifelong focus was on a technological, man-made disaster. He meticulously archived Aerospace Academician Raushenbakh and the Strategic Missile Forces because he believed a weapon test malfunction was the absolute initial trigger for the evacuation.
The concept of 'outsiders' or a 'purge' only appeared much later in his life as a secondary, reactive attempt to mash together conflicting media theories when he couldn't reconcile certain anomalies, like the pristine socks or internal trauma.
The hard physical evidence remains unchanged: the cedar tree was the only accessible source of dry, unburied fuel available to them under extreme survival duress. Trying to turn a standard, tragic cold-weather sequence into a debate over semantic wordplay or Hollywood stunt scenarios doesn't change the cold physics of the mountain.
We clarified earlier that the branches cut from the cedar were partially stuck on the lower branches - this is what the searchers report. You didn't dispute that.
So why doesn't it cross your mind that this is only possible by having to climb high on the cedar?
Yudin's idea of what happened should be evaluated based on his own statements and not on your misinterpretations!
In post 21, the video shows a fire that the Gyatlovs could have made for themselves with the knife at their disposal. They couldn't build a bigger fire than that, and that doesn't give enough heat either.
The successful lighting of the fire could have been a huge psychological force for them. It was their first and perhaps only experience of success since leaving the tent. It gave less warmth, but light, which could serve as a reference point for poor visibility. Of course, this only applies in the supposed case, which is not about them being killed by others. We don't know how it happened. It's time to emphasize this, because it's feared that later you'll twist things in such a way that talking about what's happening is an argument and a statement. No, it's just a conversation. We philosophizing about what happend. Maybe they didn't start the fire, and they didn't cut the branches. We do not know! The knife, e.g. no one found it!
You're getting things wrong on purpose; you select from the facts; you establish the opposite of what reality is; you contradict even yourself without restraint. I have nothing to do with this! Totally ridiculous!
Here is another video about how to cut a long branch with a knife. This is what you couldn't imagine!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QVHZiCBygQ0
I can assure you that I have a reasonable amount of out door experience. I'm not sure if you understand dead wood, dry wood , green wood, wet wood, frozen wood and all the variables.
We are talking about the cedar branches that come out of trunk of the tree. This is the wood that drys under the canopy as the tree grows, it's these dead , dry branches that is easy to burn . It's not on the ground under snow and been subjected to water.
See this tree here, see the dead branches. That's what you want , anyone into outdoor activities would know.
They don't cut the branches with a knife , the break the branches and your video shows the problem of the fire, you need a big fire , you need standing dead trees . It's a resource problem without tools or time .
All of this started from advice from a outdoors book. All I have done is show the logic in the actions by the hiker's, that's it , that's all there is to it. If the hikers left their tent and couldn't take their equipment but we're free to do anything else, they had to make choices , move down hill , get to a forest , build a fire if it can be done , build a shelter. That's it , nothing exciting.
If we don't follow that train of thought, then be my guest , who climbed the tree to make a fire out of those branches , for what purpose, who are these outsiders, why did they live without a roaring fire , even men in black need to eat , sleep, melt water , stop frostbite and warm themselves between murders?.
The hikers pattern is logical for survival attempts.
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1507.0
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