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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there

« Last post by SURI on June 14, 2026, 10:06:44 PM »

@Senior Maldonado

P.S. If you take every word Ivanov says literally, you will never understand him. First, you need to know where to begin. I would start with the names, because DPI is about names, not rockets.

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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes

« Last post by GlennM on June 14, 2026, 11:51:47 AM »

I discount conspiracy theories period. For example, if Zolo was some sort of an infiltrator, he would have had an easier time bumping Yuri Yuden for a place on the hike rather than waiting for a chance opening. I do ask for a direct explanation of what the unlikely number if footprints is supposed to mean. Until I get clarification,I contend they all left together and tried to survive the conditions in the forest together until hypothermia prevailed.

I do not understand why a fire was not maintained and a snow cave was not also far better constructed. I surmise that firewood was too scarce and/ or winds too high. I do not get why searchers of the R4 group did not find worked snow.  I am not inclined to believe someone, for lack of a suitable weapon, was clubbing others with tree branches instead of using it for firewood. I am reminded that nobody at any time made an official condemnation of the hikers as dissidents or defectors. All of that is nonsense on stilts!

i am open to explanations that do not involve Zolo being the mad hatter or batter😀 It is known that conspiracy theorists can be both passionate and wrong.

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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes

« Last post by SURI on June 14, 2026, 08:12:59 AM »

@GlennM

I think you are the one spinning conspiracies now by claiming there were 9 pairs of footprints. Tempalov clearly stated in an underlined note that he did not find the ninth footprint because it simply wasn’t there. And believe me, he knew exactly what he was talking about.

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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there

« Last post by GlennM on June 14, 2026, 07:39:53 AM »

The only thing missing was a viable escape plan which was wholly lacking.

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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes

« Last post by GlennM on June 14, 2026, 07:37:31 AM »

The point is that tracks in the snow are subject to the weather. There is no guarantee that they will necessarily last. Those who discovered the tracks made tracks. The liklihood that an individual can mask their movement over at least 1,500 steps is improbable to the point of impossibility. Wishful thinking is easier.

It is clear that all left the tent. No records indicate any reversal of footprints enroute to the woods. There was a flashlight found enroute, a most inneffective weapon.

There was nothing about the depth of prints to suggest anyone was carried. There was no foot dragging identified. Simply put, nine people left the tent alive and were later found dead.

I feel that the analysis of the mystery by the footprint evidence is like trying to determine the number of stones tossed into a pond by analysing the ripples on the opposite shore.

I also find the psychotic Zolo hypothesis a convenient way to besmirch the memory of someone who actually was said to have writing materials in hand near death. 

With regard to the latter, i find it impossible to consider anyone with glast related crushed ribs wanting to grab for a pencil and paper to write something down when they were dying in unimaginable pain. No, the injuries to Zolo and Lyuda were post mortem, though it baffles me that their bodies were positioned as they were.

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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there

« Last post by SURI on June 14, 2026, 07:28:24 AM »

@Senior Maldonado

I understand your effort to make sense of Ivanov, and I know it is not easy. However, all it takes for me is a single sentence from him to know that rockets were definitely not involved.

„...and many associated these mysterious phenomena, including unidentified flying objects with military tests, but investigative actions indicated that the case of Dyatlov group had nothing to do with military tests.“


With this sentence, he also rules out rockets entirely.

„Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people.“

This particular sentence leaves almost no room for alternative theories, especially when you also factor in the 8 sets of footprints on the slope and other circumstances.


Back when he wrote that newspaper article, the "fireballs" that he had in mind along with the "astronauts" still existed. Today, they are gone...

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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there

« Last post by GlennM on June 14, 2026, 07:21:16 AM »

fireballs could have been piloted by "astronauts", in other words, people could have been inside.

Turn me over, I am done on this side.

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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on June 14, 2026, 02:18:44 AM »

I am surprised that those rockets are still consuming your mind after Ivanov's statement. He didn't have them in mind. He was pursuing a different lead.

Obviously, we have very different readings of the Ivanov's 1990 article. At the end of the article he delivers two very strict messages:
- cause of the DPI was appearanсe of fireball(s) on the spot;
- fireballs could have been piloted by "astronauts", in other words, people could have been inside.
This leaves us very little space for constructing theories.

There are also two interesting unofficial pointers to a rocket's involvement. In private chat, Dr.Vozrozhdenniy revealed in 1983 that Ivanov actually found out that it was a failed rocket test and even suspected particular launch site. Also, at the end of communist era of the Soviet Union, Mr. Romanov , a new secretary of Sverdlovsk Obcom (where Kirilenko used to be the 1st secretary) was curious to know what had happened with the Dyatlov group. He was told by his experienced colleagues that the hikers had become victims of rockets tests. As I tend to listen to all sources, not only case files, I take it seriously.

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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes

« Last post by SURI on June 13, 2026, 11:29:47 PM »

@GlennM

Tempalov knew exactly – he had photographed these tracks. Not without reason is this note underlined in the file. Therefore, this fact that only 8 sets of footprints led from the tent can also be observed from the scene itself by the position and placement of the bodies. Could you really have missed that specific body?

And it surprises me that you of all people who despise all kinds of media appearances and articles believe this interview more than the case file itself and are trying to disprove this file with these sensational interviews. That is amazing!

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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there

« Last post by GlennM on June 13, 2026, 06:15:54 PM »

A big circle of wiped snow is not what a fallen hull of a rocket produces. It would make a crater of some sort. The rotors of a helicopter, however, could. That said, since the supposed rocket stage did not actually fall on the hikers, the natural speculation is that it fell to ground elsewhere with
 fuel left in it. These vapors dispersed in the direction of the tent causing suffocating, choking chemical burns. This sent them all down the slope.

Where I run into a problem with this is firstly 1079 and 880 were well searched without significant supporting findings in the case files. Secondly, nine people walking a mile with chemically burned lungs is pretty impressive though unlikely l. Third, none of the propellent was identified on any clothes.  That said, it is a wonderfully impressive alternative to boring old wind and snow. There is probably a book in it somewhere.