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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there

« Last post by Ziljoe on June 04, 2026, 04:57:05 AM »

The military search team executed the order of the Minister of Defense of the USSR dated August 2, 1957 (currently declassified) titled "Strengthening the Security Regime and Protection of Secrecy in Missile Facilities and Military Units". In this order there is part 2, paragraph 5, which states the following: "During tests and training exercises, immediate measures should be taken to identify the locations of missile and rocket weapon debris, collect it in a timely manner, and ensure its safekeeping and transportation to designated storage areas."

Is this a real document or a bad translation?

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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on June 04, 2026, 12:57:17 AM »

Clean up exercise. And what exactly was supposed to have been cleaned? The tent was not cleaned, or all the stuff found inside it. The bodies were not, or the clothing was not cleaned either.

The death of the hikers is in focus for us, but those who launched the rocket did not care much about a few civilians who got affected by the rocket crash. That was just an unfortunate overhead, while the focus was on the rocket and its landing spot.

Nobody intended to clean up the tent's site or to look for possible casualties. The military search team executed the order of the Minister of Defense of the USSR dated August 2, 1957 (currently declassified) titled "Strengthening the Security Regime and Protection of Secrecy in Missile Facilities and Military Units". In this order there is part 2, paragraph 5, which states the following: "During tests and training exercises, immediate measures should be taken to identify the locations of missile and rocket weapon debris, collect it in a timely manner, and ensure its safekeeping and transportation to designated storage areas."

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General Discussion / A different possibility

« Last post by GlennM on June 03, 2026, 05:39:05 PM »

This is about the two Yuris. Yuri D was found with pine needles in the scalp, not cedar! Yuri K and Yuri D could have sustained those head hand and leg injuries not from climbing a tree but from digging a snow cave and making a mat.  Perhaps those two set off to find a place and dig it out. Maybe they took too long and their comrades came looking for them. Perhaps a warming fire was just not enough to keep them alive.

It is hard to believe that a fall from a tree into snow from a height of a dozen feet or more is going to kill even one physically fit Soviet athelete. That seems to be the idea about the Yuris. Suppose the tree was climbed to make observations on the speck of a tent a mile distant, what a waste of time! Alternately, if the tree was climbed to alllow someone to stomp on branches  while there was already sufficient fuel on the ground, what a waste of time!

If we set aside the idea that just because the Yuris were laid near the cedar, is there a connection? Putting the two Yuris at the den really flips the narrative.  So does putting the Yuris anywhere else besides the cedar.

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General Discussion / Re: I can't even think of setting up a labaz here

« Last post by GlennM on June 03, 2026, 05:23:35 PM »

Agreed.

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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes

« Last post by GlennM on June 03, 2026, 05:18:45 PM »

 For one do not believe crushing injuries happened at the tent. I do however believe the canvas collapsed on those inside. They, in turn, cut themselves free. Given the conditions of available light, amount of snow, the  uncertainty of additional snow, the risk of crawling back inside the tent for supplies and the uselessness of ski boots when skis skis can't be reached , they opted to get out of the cold, get warm, wait and return.

I can believe serious injuries happened in the ravine owing to their atttempt to create a makeshift cave for up to nine people.

I do not support the idea that a fall onto snow covered ground from a nominal 12 feet perch in a cedar tree is going to kill anyone, let alone two physically fit Soviet hikers.

My idea leans toward bad weather and insufficient resources as the cause for getting them out of the tent. I like the idea that the icy, rocky, slippery and wet slope to the forest created injuries that slowed progress. I think that once people got wet, there was no amount of fire drying of wet clothes that would be sufficient.

The Yuri's  may have tried some sort of heroism in gathering supplies, but they died in the effort most likely not from nor at the cedar.

A possibility exists that Igor and Zolo had a disagreement about next steps in survival. Zolo and other opting for a cave, Igor opting for the tent. Equally, they all could have gone to the ravine and when the collapse happened IRZ left for the tent and what first aid and sledging supplies they had.

As experienced as they all were, I feel they misjudged distances, their own resiliance and the duration of the weather. Of the three it was the weather that decided their fate.

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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there

« Last post by GlennM on June 03, 2026, 04:55:25 PM »

Sarapuk  read me in on the circular patch, OK?

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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi

« Last post by GlennM on June 03, 2026, 04:53:08 PM »

  Nyet!

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Interviews / Re: Lawyer Proshkin on the dead cosmonaut 02|02|59

« Last post by amashilu on June 03, 2026, 02:09:28 PM »

Is it not the case that in this Dyatlov mystery, there crops up regularly the suggestion that it was a result of a failed military test of some kind? So we see variations on the theme. Even though there is absolutely no evidence that there was any failure of a military nature.

Yes, however, this version is different in that the failed launch was not a "test." It was to be a proud triumph of technology presented to impress the XXI Congress.

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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi

« Last post by sarapuk on June 03, 2026, 01:21:58 PM »

If there was a bit of cultural commonality in the 50's.Both Soviet East and the American West had a " thing" for aerial phenomena. Other than the big nuke, this may also tie into the literary genre of science fiction. Science Fiction tends to fall into two camps, Social Science Fiction and Travelogues. The former being political, the latter, escapism. In Social Science Fiction the devices and the LGM are symbolic elements, usually a veiled criticism of politics, governments and power drunk leadership.  Lights in the sky? Invasion? Big Brother? Alien contact? Mind control? It is symptomatic of societies developing far faater than any before. Uncertainty breeds fear, fear finds an outlet in fiction, people read the fiction and filter reality through it.
We are smarter than that in today's world. Not all of us though. It still sells tickets.

But who is dragging fiction and fact together !? You are introducing fiction and science fiction and mixing it up with facts!

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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi

« Last post by sarapuk on June 03, 2026, 01:16:02 PM »

In 1949, the Soviet Union developed a preliminary design for a missile submarine under the designation Project P-2 [pl], intended to strike land targets.[6] The design was developed by CKB-18 (later the Rubin Design Bureau). The submarine was projected to have a surface displacement of nearly 5,400 tons and to carry 12 R-1 missiles (Soviet versions of the V-2) and Lastochka cruise missiles.[7] However, the program encountered numerous issues that the designers could not overcome,[3] including, among others, problems with stabilizing the missile prior to launch.[8] In the early phase of developing sea-to-land missile systems, the Soviet Union regarded this kind of weapon solely as a tactical asset without strategic significance.[3]

It's just another missile to add to the collection of missiles and missile theories, though !