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General Discussion / Re: Ladies first?
« Last post by Osi on September 18, 2026, 11:08:09 AM »
The fact that men were involved in sewing the curtain suggests it was likely an insulation barrier hung at the tent's entrance. Sewing a privacy curtain would have been a chore no man would have volunteered for. I do not believe they divided the tent in two on the night of the Kholat incident. At previous campsites, the stove was lit and the environment was comfortable, so they would undress; on the slope, however, the plan must have been to survive until morning while fully clothed.
In the valley, there are no deep precipices where one might fall and break a bone. While accumulated snow might have raised the ground level, it is impossible for so many people to have sustained fatal injuries. One person getting injured might seem plausible, but certainly not three or four.
The tent was not facing the moving snow slab; it was positioned sideways.
If you examine the cuts in the tent, you will see they were generally made in the upper section of the sidewall. Cutting into the upper wall of a standing, sturdy tent is an athletic feat akin to a hurdle race. The fact that the cuts were made high up on the fabric indicates that the tent had collapsed; the roof seams must have sagged down to the level of the sleeping hikers' heads.
The fact that the tent remained partially standing suggests the most logical course of action: the first uninjured individuals to exit propped up the tent poles and tightened the guy lines to facilitate the evacuation.
Had it been a classic avalanche, they would have been buried under meters of snow and suffocated. However, in the case of a slab avalanche... We can describe the event as a wind-hardened snow block—measuring 30 by 60–70 meters and 50 cm thick—striking the tent, flowing downward without burying it, and finally breaking apart and coming to a halt 100 meters away.
I believe Semyon was able to walk with the support of two people. Tibo and Lyuda must have been carried. I attribute the fact that the tracks reflect a calm, walking pace to the fact that they were carrying injured individuals. I do not see footprints belonging to nine people on the path.
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General Discussion / Re: Ladies first?
« Last post by Axelrod on September 18, 2026, 10:56:48 AM »
As with everything else here, a lot of things regarding this topic are simply made up and then presented as categorical facts.
Since berths 1 and 9 are the coldest, we need to rule out the possibility that Zina or Lyuda slept at the ends of the row. They might have slept in berths 7 and 8. In that case, there would have to be curtains on both sides.

Place 9 might be with Zolotaryov (as possible option).

I first saw a curtain like that on the Moscow-Prague train—when foreigners were traveling on it—and later on other occasions.
Such curtains were unpopular in the Soviet Union and seen by me after 1990. It was likely a foreign trend, much like women wearing trousers.

From the criminal case files:
Page 34: The tent entrance was open, and sheets—which served as a flap—were sticking out of it.

Clearly, there was a sheet at the tent entrance. Possibly Yudin's sheet.
If the sheet and the stovepipe were incompatible, the pipe could have been inserted through a hole in the side of the tent.
A similar hole was plugged with Dyatlov's jacket on the final night, when the stove wasn't being used.
Also, everyone had a sheet that they slept on during the train ride and the hike.


If you want to pass off your fantasies as facts, feel free to go right ahead. I’ll just have a laugh.
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General Discussion / Re: Ladies first?
« Last post by GlennM on September 18, 2026, 07:08:59 AM »
And Sarapuk has just learned something, perhaps.

Thanks to responsible forum members who contributed  the inputs.

If at the time of impact, there was a divider in place and the women were separated by the curtain, then it obvious that Zina and Lyuda were affected similarly. This suggests that if Lyuda got crushed at the tent, so should Zina. Additionally, because Zina was obviously able to move on her own, supposedly to the cedar and surely back toward the tent, so too should Lyuda have been able to walk to the forest below. Nothing about the footprints suggests crippling. This is then indirect evidence that Lyuda's fatal injuries were not sustained at the tent, but in all probability the ravine. Her posture looks like she was caught napping when the cornice caught her and others exhausted from their efforts.
 
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General Discussion / Re: Solved? All Evidence tied Together
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on September 18, 2026, 04:39:27 AM »
@dankfro

Good hybrid theory derived from Military and Mansi theories. But to be on the right track from the very beginning, Mansi should be dropped, as they had nothing to do with the DPI. The investigation team had not found any evidence that anybody was on the spot on February 1st and 2nd - within the timeframe when the hikers perished.

They were known to dislike Soviets
Where did you get that? Mansi were more than friendly to russians and not involved into politics at all. They were hunters and fishmen, who benifited from cooperation with Soviet authorities. They traded meat, fish, fur for flour, bullets, vodka. Whereabouts of literally every Mansi on Feb 1-2 was clarified and confirmed by the detectives. They had absolutely no reason to undermine good relations by initiating mass killing of hikers.
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General Discussion / Re: Ladies first?
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on September 18, 2026, 01:25:42 AM »
The second option is that the curtain was hung at the entrance, creating a kind of vestibule or air cushion to block the cold air that came in through the entrance and preventing the heat from the stove from escaping quickly.

Personally, I think the second option is more plausible.
This was the only option actually. When installed, the pipe from the stove ran through almost all tent's interior. Having a curtain near the hot pipe was very risky. If the curtain had been paced before the stove, the girls would have been isolated in the coldest section of the tent, right beyond the enterance.
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General Discussion / Re: Ladies first?
« Last post by Hunter on September 17, 2026, 10:09:42 PM »
There are two options.

The first option is that the curtain divided the tent into men's and women's areas.

The second option is that the curtain was hung at the entrance, creating a kind of vestibule or air cushion to block the cold air that came in through the entrance and preventing the heat from the stove from escaping quickly.

Personally, I think the second option is more plausible.
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General Discussion / Solved? All Evidence tied Together
« Last post by dankfro on September 17, 2026, 08:48:32 PM »
My theory is that: the hikers first set up their tent for the night. At one point, 7 were inside the tent and 2 were outside including the one with the camera. Perhaps he saw a light outside and was curious, maybe just coincidence. I think a Soviet bomb test then exploded somewhere relatively nearby, but not nearby enough to damage anything. Maybe a half mile, mile etc.

The group heard this and panicked thinking that it could be a nuclear test and fearing radiation fallout immediately cut their way out of the tent and headed downhill. This would make a lot of sense because two of the people in the group used to work at nuclear facilities including one during a meltdown, so it would be plausible that they'd think of this fear right away and probably shout it to the others and cause a panic. This is supported by the fact that the cold war and nuclear fears with the US were hot button fears at this point.

This is further supported by the helicopter operator's actions. He refused to be in the same aircraft as the bodies for fear of radiation contamination. He made them put the bodies in Zinc lined coffins. There were high ranking military personnel at the search site, and one does not simply say no to Soviet leadership unless they really feel strongly about an issue. This indicates there was some sort of real fear at least generally about nuclear matters.

The fact that the Soviet's decided to test the bodies for radiation is also telling, as you don't just do that randomly. If you dig into the government's actions more, it's clear they were testing in that area.

However, this wasn't the way that they died. I believe they acted out of fear of radiation (or at least another explosion), but they didn't actually die or get hurt at the tent from that. They couldn't have. They left the tent quick and then walked a mile downhill into the woods. Then built a fire and a den. Four of the people had crippling injuries and a punctured heart, where near instant death occurred, and they would not have been able to walk a mile in these circumstances. Yet the footprints in the snow show 9 people, and the tent was largely intact, so there's no way that any "catastrophe" happened at the tent site.

I think fearing either radiation or an explosion, they went downhill and once they got to the cedar tree quickly made a fire to aid their hurting group. Shortly after or maybe at the same time, some of them began to make a den like shelter nearby in the ravine. This makes sense and supports multiple things. First, it was freezing and windy that night, so a ravine would make sense to set up shop since it buffers the wind. Also, it would be the most sensible place to go if you're fearing nuclear fallout or an explosion (basements/low areas are best).

Around this time, the two men found near the fire pass away. This makes sense because the weakest would presumably remain by the fire. Their injuries were also minor compared to everyone else, with mostly scratches etc consistent with a long trek, frostbite, and possibly climbing a tree and being clumsy with limbs you can't feel. Once passed away, the others take their clothes.

This is where it gets interesting. The ravine doesn't seem steep enough to cause the trauma on the badly injured people, and they also knew the ravine was there since they built a den at the bottom, so it's very unlikely they fell into it or anything. So how did the others get their injuries?

At some point after they entered the outskirts of the woods/ravine area, I think they encountered some Mansi/Khanty tribes people and were attacked. This makes sense because the tribes people were known to be in that general area, and the Khanty in particular were known to be aggressive. The area was roughly known as a Mansi sacred site. They were known to dislike Soviets. I would assume local tribes people live in the woods, and one of the last photos taken was of a tribal sign on a wall and a notebook entry said ski tracks were noted the afternoon before they camped.

This also directly supports the bomb aspect, and vice versa. If a bomb test exploded somewhere nearby, it stands to reason that the locals would go to the area to check the area out. Upon seeing 9 Soviet's camped in the area, it's easy to see them as the ones being disrespectful and could prompt an attack. The bomb going off supports the rationale for the attack, and the attack occurring supports the notion that something big likely prompted it. It is also possible that they simply ran into the tribe while down there.

Either way, I think the remaining 7 were attacked by the locals while sitting in the den at the ravine. The locals (from 10-15 feet above) threw rocks or something hard at the campers below. Two were hit in the chest breaking over a dozen ribs. One is hit in the head. The fourth, with only minor injuries, possibly passed away prior to the attack or somehow more passively during it. The remaining three are hurt (including one with a fracture to the head) but are able enough to flee back towards the tent, figuring that this is a more immediate concern than the blast/radiation concerns. They die at various points uphill.

The tribes people then place the 4 dead bodies together in the ravine and leave, and possibly cover anything they left behind. This is all supported in a few ways. The ribs of the two very hurt people were unusually broken from the top down, which is unusual. Their palms were also intact. This doesn't happen when people fall, as they put their hands in front of them. The injuries to them are consistent with being hit from above.

The tongue and eye things could be perceived a few different ways, not changing this narrative at all. Either they were taken by scavenger fish etc in the ravine's stream, or maybe the locals took the eyes and tongue because she was screaming etc. It doesn't matter to the course of events.

The one of four that dies of hypothermia with minor scrapes also indirectly could support the scenario. We can speculate that this person also died prior to the native encounter, and the group moved the body 18 feet from their den so as to distance themselves from it. Once the other 3 were killed brutally, the natives lied them with the other body, 18 feet from the den. It's possible that the other 3 people moved their bodies together before heading uphill too, but the minor detail is irrelevant. It's also possible that while running back up the hill, the guy with the skull fracture didn't have it originally and was pursued up the hill. But this is what i think happened.

A few final thoughts: I struggled for a while to figure out why the 4 bodies in the ravine were found 18 feet from the den and not IN it. This is the best scenario I could come up with to explain that. I also struggled to figure out why only the 9 sets of footprints were noted on the hill leading down. Assuming the locals were already in the forest eliminates this question. The locals also traveled typically by skis, which wouldn't leave tracks for as long of a period as the raised footprints of the hikers.

I also didn't factor in the possible Mansi belt with tassels found at the site, since that could have been given to them along the way by someone peaceful etc. I also don't regard that controversial photo of the 'bomb' as legitimate for the purposes of my bomb rationale. Also, since the two people with radiation on their clothes worked at nuclear plants before, I attribute that to their work and not this event. I have yet to find a piece of evidence that goes against what i believe is the likely (albeit eventful) night. But I would love to hear your thoughts, and to hear any evidence that goes against this. Prove me wrong!

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General Discussion / Re: Ladies first?
« Last post by Ziljoe on September 17, 2026, 06:02:02 PM »
28th January

"....We stop to rest at 5:30 pm on river Lozva. Today we spend our first night in the tent. The guys are busy with the stove, sewing curtains out of sheets. With some thing completed and others not, we sit at dinner. After dinner we sit for long time around the campfire and sing heartfelt songs. Zina even tries to learn to play mandolin under guidance of our musician Rustik (Rustem Slobodin). Then we resume our discussions, mostly about love. Someone comes up with an idea that we need a special notebook for ideas that we might come up with. After a good long talk, we started going into the tent two people at a time. The suspended stove radiates heat and divides the tent in two sections. The further section is occupied by me and Zina. Nobody wants to sleep by the stove. We agree that Yurka Kri will sleep there. On the other side sleeps the person on duty (Aleksander Kolevatov). Yurka couldn't stand the heat and after laying down for 1-2 min, he got up and moved to the second section cursing and accusing us of treason. After that they still argued about something for a long time, but at the end all was quiet... "

30th January

...The stove does a great job. Some of us (Thibeaux and Krivonischenko) think we need to build steam heat in the tent. The curtains in the tent are quite justified. We get up at 8:30am.



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General Discussion / Re: Ladies first?
« Last post by GlennM on September 17, 2026, 05:48:34 PM »
The group diary of Jan 28  speaks to" the guys sewing curtains". But for the life of me, I can not locate the passage which is so clear in my mind. It will come up, of course. Anyway, it is only of any passing interest in how they arranged themselves and their movements as they settled into their trek.
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Well I find it a bit strange that you say that we must consider that animal mutilations are not happening. There is plenty of evidence that animal mutilations are real and of an unknown force. And do I really have to dig out what Ive said early on, ie, years ago on this Forum ?

Sarapuk.

There's no evidence Sarapuk. Stop believing the junk TV.

 The thread is about the physics and possibility of a snow collapse and if what was reported and found matches a hypothetical possibility. By all means I welcome you to say it couldn't happen because the laws of physics don't allow it or something that i might be missing.

Repeating animal mutilations are the cause does not  counter the argument for a snow collapse. It does not explain the autopsies or injuries. Please take your UFOs and build your case in the thread you started and supply your evidence there.

I honestly don't want to read what you said years ago. I actually remember your rudeness to me when I first joined.
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