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General Discussion / Re: Boot rock as a choice
« Last post by sarapuk on August 11, 2026, 03:53:25 PM »What isn't?
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General Discussion / Re: Bartolomey
« Last post by Ziljoe on August 11, 2026, 02:42:07 PM »It is no compliment to Russian intelligence when a simple ," death by inclement weather". would have closed the case.
Absolutely, I don't think soviet intelligence was involved. Missing hikers , students , locals , sappers and some military resources , searching and recovering dead hikers . Free to roam over the whole area in a radius of at least 20km and have full view from helicopters when travelling in and out for 3 months . Monument erected, celebration's of the students for years after and then the monument erected by students in 1963.
Nothing of evidence put forward afterwards other than "somebody knows something" yet not a single person has come forward to say anything of substance.
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General Discussion / Re: Bartolomey
« Last post by GlennM on August 11, 2026, 07:09:54 AM »It is no compliment to Russian intelligence when a simple ," death by inclement weather". would have closed the case.
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General Discussion / Re: Bartolomey
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on August 11, 2026, 03:32:15 AM »If it were just weather or a wolverine, we wouldn't have a case file without a number. If it were a rocket, we wouldn't be reading any case file at all. So why do we have a folder without a number and we are allowed to read it? Because it is a staged product of deliberate manipulation for someone's benefit. A theater backdrop.SURI, your comment is straight to the point!
The folder with the investigation related papers which we have privilege to read and discuss is not the same case files, where DPI was investigated in 1959. And this folder has no number on purpose, as it makes it concealed from official registration, which further means it has never existed officially.
The case without a number was created much later than February 1959, Tempalov had even forgotten what date the first corpses were found and wrote "Feb 26th", which was wrong. The folder contains low value and no value papers that had been produced in course of real investigation, which was fully driven from Moscow and ran in a secret mode. The No-number case was very special but still legal way to archive documents that had been produced by the investigation but were not needed for real case files.
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General Discussion / Re: Bartolomey
« Last post by SURI on August 10, 2026, 11:24:32 PM »If it were just weather or a wolverine, we wouldn't have a case file without a number. If it were a rocket, we wouldn't be reading any case file at all. So why do we have a folder without a number and we are allowed to read it? Because it is a staged product of deliberate manipulation for someone's benefit. A theater backdrop.
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General Discussion / Re: Bartolomey
« Last post by Ziljoe on August 10, 2026, 08:42:44 PM »Yet, it would have been so much easier then to say it was weather and be done with it! To instead say an unknown compelling force appears to deliberately sidestep the easiest and most obvious explanation.
I think they did say it was the weather, this is the problem of translation.
For anyone checking the original case files, the closing resolution with the famous phrase is on Sheet 387 (archival pagination).
Here is the authentic wording:
> «…следует считать, что причиной гибели туристов явилась стихийная сила, преодолеть которую туристы были не в состоянии.»
This simply means:
> “The cause of the hikers’ deaths was a natural force which they were not able to overcome.”
The confusion comes from later English retellings that paraphrased this as “unknown compelling force.”
That dramatic phrase does not appear anywhere in the Russian case files.
The key term стихийная сила is a standard Soviet legal expression meaning natural / elemental force, not something mysterious or supernatural.
You can find the same phrase used in other Soviet accident reports:
- Avalanche deaths: “Причиной гибели явилась стихийная сила в виде схода снежной массы…”
(“The cause of death was a natural force in the form of a snow mass release.”)
- Storm‑related drownings: “Гибель наступила от воздействия стихийной силы (шторм).”
(“Death occurred due to the action of a natural force (storm).”)
- Exposure cases in the Urals and Siberia: “Смерть наступила от переохлаждения вследствие воздействия стихийной силы.”
(“Death occurred from hypothermia as a result of the action of a natural force.”)
In all these examples, стихийная сила refers to weather, cold, wind, avalanche conditions, or environmental hazards.
It’s just bureaucratic language.
Nothing “unknown,” nothing “compelling,” nothing supernatural.
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General Discussion / Re: Bartolomey
« Last post by Topaze on August 10, 2026, 08:41:47 PM »That’s correct, provided the footprints weren’t left in powder snow, which means they would have had time to freeze before the next snowfall; otherwise, they are immediately erased. Whether on the plains or on a mountain pass, it is not the condition of the snow that changes, but simply the wind.
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General Discussion / Re: Bartolomey
« Last post by Ziljoe on August 10, 2026, 08:13:54 PM »QuoteThe present Russian Government continues the tradition of the USSR. Secrecy.That in itself is a sign that times have changed, but that the “cover-up” is significant enough to still be relevant today
That might explain why the fresh footprints in the snow were staged !
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Topaze, a quick Google will explain the raised foot prints . There's videos about them on the site and the forum , done by later expeditions and forum members. Experienced hikers have got the same results at dyatlov pass, they even occur in the UK.
You should know how snow works from low levels to mountains . You claim to have experience skiing and been in the alpine mountain troops .
Snow drifts behave like slow‑motion waves. Wind moves snow the same way it moves sand in deserts,through creep, saltation, and suspension. This creates dune‑like shapes that migrate gradually, with erosion on the windward side and deposition on the leeward side. Drifts rise and fall over days, smoothing surfaces and erasing tracks, which is why snow can bury and later expose hardened footprints or people.
This video might help but I'm sure you already know from your experience .
https://youtu.be/LgK2kXfvwZY?si=6XJ_hXUGERMxdh7F
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General Discussion / Re: Route to Otorten
« Last post by GlennM on August 10, 2026, 07:47:01 PM »I agree about the avalanche. I've never advocated for it. I do believe there was enough locally shifted snow to collapse the lateral supports of the tent which made it hard for nine people to remain inside and breathe. So, they cut their way out. Now, I consider that they had no tent for shelter. They had no sustainable fire. It was cold and their equipment was not easily retrieved. Do they huddle at the tent? Do they dig the tent out? Do the make for Boot Rock? No, what they did, obviously for the worse was to find shelter and warmth in the forest .What is a mystery is when the realization that it was not going to work happened.
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General Discussion / Re: New Suspect In Case
« Last post by GlennM on August 10, 2026, 07:36:45 PM »Still waiting for the big reveal Sarapuk.