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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by SURI on June 23, 2026, 12:26:37 AM »
Mr Popovs interrogation does not fit within a frame of investigation..

Popov's document belongs to the case and for Ivanov it represented one of many conclusive pieces of evidence, therefore it is included in the case file.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by Ziljoe on June 22, 2026, 06:14:43 PM »
And to add, the 17th of February sighting of lights in the sky was a R7 rocket or some derivative. The case files give an exact description.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by Ziljoe on June 22, 2026, 06:11:43 PM »
So you are saying that a mess was in the area because of the rocket debris that was responsible for the demise of the group, yet the bodies of the group were not cleaned up to wipe away traces of the debris that caused their deaths.
'Mess' is not a correct word to describe the state of the slope after DPI. The 3rd rocket's stage was laying at some distance from the tent, and it was taken back to the factory by military search team, who executed Minister of Defense order to find and return rockets' parts back after tests. The team obviously saw the empty tent, maybe even walked around it. But we should remember that the group moved to the forest which was 1.5km away. It was snowing, the bodies had been already covered by snow. I guess that the search team had not discovered the footprints of the group, as the prints started 50-70 m below the tent. The search team did not have order to look for possible casualties as ones were not expected. They also had no idea which direction the hikers might depart.  The search team returned to the base and informed their commanders about the tent. The commanders in turn informed Moscow, special Prosecutor's office investigation team was set up, and interrogations started to understand what had happened. Mr. Popov was one of the first to be interrogated.

I don't think there could be any third stage at 1079 because of how it was used , it would have gone further if it ignited and fallen short if the stage two failed. If the stage three reached near orbit it would have burnt up on its way down or disintegrated. Plus we have 4 stage one rockets falling out of the flight path and the stage two? .

There would be a problem in finding any crashed rocket stages if they had any chance of being complete , the search would be vast and a number of helicopters would be needed to locate a stage. Weather windows would need to be found as well as day light hours . Lifting any underslung large surface stage in those conditions would be a risk in its self .

Mr Popovs interrogation does not fit within a frame of investigation..


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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by Ziljoe on June 22, 2026, 05:38:19 PM »
1079 and Otorten are a long way from anywhere. The idea of Soviets wasting time an energy trying to learn from rocket tests by going there to analyze debris is not what I would expect from an organized military.
Areas that "are a long way from anywhere" have a unique advantage. Rockets trajectories can be set up over those areas without a risk to hit anybody (or anything) in case of launch failure. A rocket started from Tyuratam typicaly flies over about 3/4 of the RSFSR's territory. It is wise to select low populated areas for its trajectory.

As beginning of February 1959 was time of XXI CPSU congress, an attempt to provide CPSU with a gift - successful breakthrogh orbital or suborbital launch - looks plausible. We can talk about bold and hasty production launch rather than about a test.

My understanding is that they didn't fly rockets over dyatlov pass. They had designated target ranges and the dyatlov pass region wasn't one of them. ? There are no launch sites near dyatlov pass either?.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by Ziljoe on June 22, 2026, 03:26:26 PM »
They do not look like case file photos and they look retouched. Certainly nothing for anyone to laugh about then or now.

There is the possibility that they were scanned in a photo copier for distribution when the case files were allowed to be copied.We can see the mirroring of the searchers legs in the lower half as shadows and the body shadow of the lower body in the top half . I believe this was caused in early scanners from the glass.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by Ziljoe on June 22, 2026, 03:12:15 PM »
It is a fact that snow den collapses can cause the injuries seen in the ravine 4.
Do we have similar examples, where snow roofs collapsed and caused injuries alike? But first of all, it is not a fact at all that the ravine had enough snow on February 1st, 1959 to build caves and tunnels. It could have had pathetic amount of snow not able even to cover the stones.

It is highly unlikely that the ravine had a pathetic amount of snow not able to cover the stones.we have several solid examples why this is the case.

1) All the photos of the hikers on their journey.

2) Their descriptions in their diary regarding they way they had to shuttle through the snow at lower altitude because of the depth. The afternoon of the 31st where they sought to find a suitable place to camp with snow at 1.2 meters deep.

3) The depth of the snow on 1079 where the pitched their tent .

4) Ravines by their nature capture the snow where it doesn't get blown away.

5) Recent winter expeditions show the same build up of snow at the same time of year.

6) The trail found by the Mansi that led to the den

7) The snow under the den flooring .

8) The search photos and the searchers needing probes on the slope and forest.

There is snow everywhere, I cannot think of a reason why snow would not gather in the ravine or it being selective. It is a fact that 25 days later , we know that the ravine was covered up to 4 metres .

Giving the above in conjunction with the injuries and the attempts for survival  , I do not think it is a huge leap to at least dare to hypothesize that they were making some sort of shelter in the ravine. A shelter to retain heat and stop heat loss is the total priority given the circumstances of not having anything else to stop their demise from the cold .
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on June 22, 2026, 01:56:23 PM »
It is a fact that snow den collapses can cause the injuries seen in the ravine 4.
Do we have similar examples, where snow roofs collapsed and caused injuries alike? But first of all, it is not a fact at all that the ravine had enough snow on February 1st, 1959 to build caves and tunnels. It could have had pathetic amount of snow not able even to cover the stones.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by Ziljoe on June 22, 2026, 08:38:42 AM »
@Senior.

The context of case files being fake or manipulated is with regards to the total lack of mention regarding the 3-4 meters of snow above the hikers.

It is a fact that snow den collapses can cause the injuries seen in the ravine 4.

Regarding Alexande kindin, it goes round in the same circles from general admin relocation.

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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by GlennM on June 22, 2026, 07:49:58 AM »
All the reports in the world won't raise the dead. They may accelerate finding the dead. If the goal is to retrieve the bodies and bring closure to the tragedy, this is the exact opposite of making an example of the loss of Soviet youth and a war veteran.

Since Kidin was allegedly high on the food chain, canning subordinates for managerial lacunae isn't going to displace someone he wants to replace.

No conspiracy, no rush to judgement, no secondary gains. Is this a latter day manufactured spin?

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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on June 22, 2026, 07:34:18 AM »
the case files are possibly fake
This is very important and separate topic. Maybe, we will return to it in some other thread.

I do not know of any behind the scene events and A.Kindin is a modern myth bolted on I think?
No, Alexander Nikolaevich Kidin was a head of CPSU's Central committee department responsible for administrative, trade and finance affairs for RSFSR at the beginning of 1959. Moscow masters' of sport report as well as  Sverdlovsk communist party's reports on DPI were sent to his department in March and April respectively. In CPSU's hierarchy, Mr.Kidin was just two hops below Nikita Khruschev: Kidin -> Aristov -> Khruschev. I thought, you might be interested to check his career curve during the days of DPI.
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