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General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong
« Last post by Ziljoe on August 05, 2026, 08:34:56 PM »Hi ZiljoeQuoteThey fit well within what’s expected in severe hypother
So how you explain that :QuoteRenström anger att beslutet att söka skydd fattades på ett sent stadium och att skyddet som åstadkoms var för dåligt. Utrustningen hade blivit kvar i ryggsäckarna, eftersom de inte gick att öppna med frusna händer. Av samma skäl kunde de drabbade inte heller hantera den ökade urinproduktion som kölden (kyldiures) medförde, utan kläderna vättes ned med urin ända till skorna, med de ökade värmeförluster det innebar.
English translation :
Enström states that the decision to seek shelter was made at a late stage and that the shelter they managed to set up was inadequate. Their gear had remained in their backpacks because they couldn’t open them with frozen hands. For the same reason, the victims were also unable to cope with the increased urine production caused by the cold (cold diuresis), and their clothes became soaked with urine all the way down to their shoes, resulting in increased heat loss.
Source : https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarisolyckan
It's about the Anaris case of 1978 which is often compared to our case !
https://h24-files.s3.amazonaws.com/156890/1278333-eq3lb.pdf
The resulting diuresis is not synonymous with urinary retention—quite the opposite—so that doesn't make sense ! I stand by my assertion regarding symptoms of intoxication, which may have caused psychotic behavior !
You are using one example out of context. It's well known that hypothermia victims retain fluid in their bladder.
During the early and moderate stages of severe hypothermia—while the core body temperature is still above 32 °C—the kidneys produce a massive rush of fluid due to cold diuresis.
The Problem: The skiers' bodies were producing an overwhelming amount of urine very quickly.The Physical Limitation: Because their hands were already frozen solid, they physically could not open their backpacks to get equipment or unbutton their heavy layers of clothes.The Outcome: Unable to control or pause the urge while still conscious, they were forced to urinate directly into their clothing. The wet clothing accelerated their heat loss dramatically, sealing their fate.
2. The Final Stage and Postmortem PhaseThe previous explanation regarding urinary retention applies to what happens right at the brink of death, when the core temperature plummets below 28 °C:The Shutdown: Once a person enters the deepest stage of hypothermia, the autonomic nervous system begins to fail. The body goes rigid, and the internal urinary sphincter undergoes a profound involuntary spasm, locking shut.
The Retained Fluid: Any urine produced after that locking mechanism occurs is trapped. When forensic pathologists perform autopsies on hypothermia victims, they almost always find the bladder containing a significant amount of urine.
