Recent Posts

81

General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by GlennM on August 07, 2026, 07:42:57 AM »

The DP9 were not hidden, nor posed. If hidden, the criminals have more time to escape. If exposed, they become a message sent by assassins. Neither is true.

The suggestion they were experimental subjects is not supported by any reasonable physical evidence. I believe the thread is a red herring and an argument for the sake of arguing.

The thread is less about a chemical and more about behavior, in this case mass hysteria. Hysterical people scatter, not form a line. Hysterical people do not lay out their companions, shelter in a ravine, nor deliberately backtrack. These are rational, not impulsive behaviors inconsistent with psychoactive drugs.

82

General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Ziljoe on August 07, 2026, 01:19:48 AM »

Hi Topaze,

Pont‑Saint‑Esprit is definitely one of those cases that grabs people’s imagination — I remember looking at it years ago myself. It’s a good example of how a dramatic incident can make us think in certain directions.

For Dyatlov, I find it helps to start with the behaviour at the tent first, before jumping to causes. If we describe the psychological event you think happened — what the group actually did — then we can work backwards and explore possible triggers. That keeps things consistent with the case files.

On the footprints — it’s worth remembering that winter tracks can last a very long time. In the right conditions (cold, compacted snow,  wind), they can persist for weeks or even months. It’s a well‑known phenomenon in winter terrain, and the searchers on Dyatlov were familiar with it.

So we really only have two possibilities:

- either the searchers lied about the footprints, 
- or the footprints were exactly as they described.

There isn’t a third option where the phenomenon “doesn’t exist,” because it absolutely does — it’s been documented in many expeditions. That’s why I treat the footprint descriptions as reliable unless there’s evidence they were falsified.

Once the behaviour at the tent is clear, we can look at possible causes — emotional, environmental, physiological, or even something like food or water contamination. There are plenty of options that don’t require stimulants or cover‑ups.

So what psychological event do you think happened at the tent itself?

83

General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Topaze on August 07, 2026, 01:01:46 AM »

Hi Ziljoe,

Your scenario with Zina makes perfect sense! However, can we really rely on footprints in the snow that would normally disappear with the first blizzard and/or the first snowfall?

The story about the bread reminds me of the Pont-St-Esprit incident, and it’s funny because it was precisely that incident—along with the MK-ULTRA hypothesis linked to the CIA—that made me think of an experiment conducted on civilians without their consent (at least it showed that the scenario was plausible), even though the bread was initially suspected of containing ergot.

That said, it’s true that sometimes we try to make the facts fit our own theory—you’re not wrong!

😜

84

General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Ziljoe on August 07, 2026, 12:16:53 AM »

Hi topaze

Just to clarify my approach — I’m not fixed on one interpretation. I run different models of what might have happened, including psychological ones. The stimulant route doesn’t fit the autopsy or physiology, but a psychological trigger is something that can be explored.

For example, one scenario I looked at a long time ago involved Zina. 
It’s only an example — not a claim — but it shows how a psychological cascade could start without drugs.

When the Evening Otrten was shared, the stove entry about her taking an exaggerated amount of time to set it up with Yuri could easily have embarrassed her.She was in love with him and apprehensive about the hike, there's a small possibility that she opened up to him in this moment of setting up the stove or expressed her self to him .She was already uncomfortable with Yuri being on the trip, and the tent was cramped, cold, and socially intense. If someone read the line out loud about the length of time it took , she may have wanted to burst into tears .If she was stuck away from the entrance and feeling humiliated or overwhelmed, she might have cut the tent to get out quickly. This is an emotional trigger and I remember such painful thoughts from love that made me sick in my stomach by the ache of loving someone who didn't reciprocate the love.

In that kind of moment, the others wouldn’t stay inside analysing the situation — they’d follow her immediately, either to calm her down or to help. That alone could explain why they left so fast, why the tracks show different levels of clothing, and why they headed toward the treeline. It also might explain 8 tracks being shown and them walking in a line as if tracing her footsteps down the slope. After that, the environment takes over: cold, wind, disorientation, and the survival attempts we see in the case files.

That’s just one example of a psychological model that doesn’t require stimulants and still fits the evidence. I’m not saying it happened — only that psychological factors can be explored without needing to rely on pharmacology that doesn’t match the autopsies.

There are threads about mushrooms , tinned canned posing, something in the bread etc.

I’m not trying to be rigid — just keeping each mechanism consistent with the case data. If you want to explore psychological triggers, please do so but if you make claims that don't match my understanding or clinical evidence, I will probably comment.

85

General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Topaze on August 06, 2026, 11:18:06 PM »

@Ziljoe
Clearly, we’re not on the same page; you’re constantly playing with words and don’t understand my approach. Initially, yes, I thought it might be a test, but in any case, to me, this whole situation is so full of inconsistencies that I’m focusing on the psychological factor. So I’m feeling my way through this, just like you and everyone else! So I’m looking for substances that can alter consciousness. You’re playing with words because I NEVER said why the product was banned; I simply pointed out—to keep things simple—the side effects that might fall into the psychological realm! You’re too RIGID in your understanding; you should be more FLEXIBLE and try to understand my approach!

@Hunter
At first glance, yes, we do need doctors, but in some cases, we can do without them: all we need is an on-site representative (someone who administers the product and takes notes on any observed effects—or lack thereof). Note that this is HYPOTHETICAL—I’m not making any claims; I’m just exploring the idea! I’d rather make that clear given the nitpicking atmosphere that’s going on here, LOL!

86

General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Hunter on August 06, 2026, 09:58:36 PM »

It's unlikely Lyuda bought anything from a drug dealer. Especially since people dabbled in vodka and moonshine back then, and if they did dabble in drugs, it wasn't the average student. And if the Dyatlov group were testing a government program on combat stimulants, then where are the ton of doctors, etc., etc., monitoring the test subjects and recording everything?

At the time of the group's demise, the only "drug" article in the criminal code—Article 179a—punished the cultivation of opium poppy and Indian hemp without a permit with imprisonment for up to two years or correctional labor for up to one year, with mandatory confiscation of the crops. I found no articles for possession, sale, or distribution of narcotics.

87

General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Ziljoe on August 06, 2026, 09:35:04 PM »

Cannot evacuate "in other way" ... I forgot to mention it !

"Dyatlov died as the result of hypothermia/freezing [...] He died a violent death, an accident."
Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-120-126?rbid=17743

How, then, can we attach any importance to fanciful autopsies? Died of hypothermia / Died of violent death (accident)  !!!

"in the breats pocket 4 pills Streptocide (anti-inflammatory agent used for wound infection) still in the blister"

Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/death?flp=1#Doroshenko

An antibiotic from Dyatlov's first-aid kit ! No harmful side effects, but that proves they were using its contents ! Let's see what was in that kit :

Pyramidone 0.3 X 20
Streptocide 0.5 X 20

Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-199-208?lid=1&flp=1#203

Pyramidon(e) = Aminophenazone

irritability / anxiety / central nervous system stimulation / mental disturbances etc ...
its production and use have been banned in many countries

the drug you mentioned was banned because of agranulocytosis.
Aminophenazone was withdrawn in many countries because:In a tiny percentage of people, after repeated use, it caused agranulocytosis — a dangerous drop in infection‑fighting white blood cells.

They had a first aid kit as that's what you take , Yuri Yudin I think gave some first aid kit extras to Zina when he left.

The drug was for pain relief or fever. It wasn't for boosting performance.

The "died a violent death and then accident" has been explained and it's legal autopsy terminology for the era.

Pills in a pocket doesn't prove consumption.

We can list a host of drugs that list the same side effects for anxiety/ irratibilty/ mental disturbance etc.  If it concerns you , don't read the small print of ibuprofen, aspirin, paracetamol. Every drug has a list of side effects of one sort or another that happen to a small percentage or with high dosages.

I thought you were saying it was some sort of military drug testing? Not an off the shelf  pain killer?!

88

General Discussion / Re: An experiment with psychostimulants that reportedly went very wrong

« Last post by Topaze on August 06, 2026, 07:48:27 PM »

Cannot evacuate "in other way" ... I forgot to mention it !

"Dyatlov died as the result of hypothermia/freezing [...] He died a violent death, an accident."
Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-120-126?rbid=17743

How, then, can we attach any importance to fanciful autopsies? Died of hypothermia / Died of violent death (accident)  !!!

"in the breats pocket 4 pills Streptocide (anti-inflammatory agent used for wound infection) still in the blister"

Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/death?flp=1#Doroshenko

An antibiotic from Dyatlov's first-aid kit ! No harmful side effects, but that proves they were using its contents ! Let's see what was in that kit :

Pyramidone 0.3 X 20
Streptocide 0.5 X 20

Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-199-208?lid=1&flp=1#203

Pyramidon(e) = Aminophenazone

irritability / anxiety / central nervous system stimulation / mental disturbances etc ...
its production and use have been banned in many countries

89

General Discussion / Re: Petition to reopen the case

« Last post by Hunter on August 06, 2026, 11:22:05 AM »

GlennM, I'd rather become a lieutenant general than have a criminal investigation started again.

90

General Discussion / Re: Regarding the photos from the camera found on Zolotaryov

« Last post by Ziljoe on August 06, 2026, 10:15:10 AM »

So you keep your camera around your neck even inside the tent—while eating, setting up the tent stakes, and so on... ??? That's what I understood. When I used to go camping, I'd put my camera away before going about my occupations, only taking it out when I needed it.

To expand. If the incident happened whilst the hikers were in the tent, drugs, UFO, wolverine etc. it would not be out of the realms of possibility for people to be doing different tasks. Zolo could have been drying his camera , changing the film etc. others could have been changing socks, eating, looking at the maps , discussing the evening paper. It's not an all or nothing situation. So you have put your camera away , but at some point you had to put it away.

It doesn't lead us to a time of day for when the incident occurred. The stove for example might be yet to be installed or it had been used over night but dismantled. Both options are possible. There little that we can conclude .