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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on June 22, 2026, 07:34:18 AM »
the case files are possibly fake
This is very important and separate topic. Maybe, we will return to it in some other thread.

I do not know of any behind the scene events and A.Kindin is a modern myth bolted on I think?
No, Alexander Nikolaevich Kidin was a head of CPSU's Central committee department responsible for administrative, trade and finance affairs for RSFSR at the beginning of 1959. Moscow masters' of sport report as well as  Sverdlovsk communist party's reports on DPI were sent to his department in March and April respectively. In CPSU's hierarchy, Mr.Kidin was just two hops below Nikita Khruschev: Kidin -> Aristov -> Khruschev. I thought, you might be interested to check his career curve during the days of DPI.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by GlennM on June 22, 2026, 06:42:36 AM »
The remains were posed and the camera angle chosen for documentation. If there was something to reveal, it would be to record who each person was. If there were anything else of importance, that feature and the distance to the feature would be different. ( read closeup). I contend the photos were retouched. I am not convinced it was done to hide anything, but rather to increase contrast. The postures of the deceased may be explained from hypothermia and hypoxia. The lack of breathable air and the greatly slowed metabolism put them to sleep. I consider that the sum of the exertion of their trip to the last camp, descent to the woods, effort to excavate a shelter, heat loss and hunger exhausted all of them to the point of unconsciousness and suffocation accelerated by encasement in snow. I am open to another interpretation.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by Ziljoe on June 22, 2026, 06:35:03 AM »
Hello Ziljoe,

I hope that challenges you have faced are managable and I wish you to overcome them asap.

I don't think that we have only two options for the traumatic force - snow and a fallen tree. The World has more colours. SURI keeps talking about an infiltrator to the group, who had planned the DPI long before the hike and executed the plan when the group had reached 1079. This is interesting theory to look at and discuss, but SURI obviously is not ready to share the whole theory at this time. However, it's a road to try.

If we look into the Dr.Vozrozhdenny interrogation report, it becomes clear that the force which he suggested was high-speed. A gust of strong wind, a blast airwave, an automobile - all these move at very high speed, not less than 20 m/sec. He also suggested that the force had kicked the hikes, so they had spent some time flying and had hard landing afterwards. I do not know about a fallen tree, but snow collapse in the ravine could not achieve such a speed.

There were many events 'behind the scene' that indicate that DPI was not just a natural calamity. You might be interested to run a small investigation into Mr. Alexander Kidin abrupt career change which happened on April 10th, 1959 - the same day Central Committee of CPSU received the DPI investigation report from its Sverdlovsk branch office.


Thank you Senior.

Obviously we can add anything we want to the incident but I'm working within the confines of what we can observe with the evidence we have and with the modern access to medical papers. Unfortunately such things weren't available in 59.

It is clear  Dr.Vozrozhdenny has given suggestions and that's it. Given the location of the bodies under all that snow , I would have thought Ivanov in the added on questions , would have asked if the snow or snow collapse could have caused the injuries found.

To not eliminate the snow mass as a possible cause of the injured leads me to think that1) the case files are possibly fake , that2) the questions were contrived to create a narrative by Ivanovo  or3) or general incompetence.

A fallen tree or a snow collapse does not need to reach a certain speed to cause the injured found, in fact , a slow compression fits the injuries far better than the implication of bodies flying about. The autopsy findings doesn't allow for blasts or car crashes. The suggestions don't fit the full picture of the autopsy findings , it solely fixes on the broken bones and I find that challenging in a professional capacity.

I do not know of any behind the scene events and A.Kindin is a modern myth bolted on I think?.


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General Discussion / Look for us here?
« Last post by GlennM on June 21, 2026, 12:12:11 PM »
From DyatlovPass.com."Nikolay Ivanovich Kuzminov is writing to you from the city of Nizhnyaya Salda."
Then " The Mansi Kurikovs went hunting one day and struck gold. They discovered cut branches on trees and a trail of fallen trees leading to a ravine."
Then, " Since the snow had already melted a little, the trail of lost branches was visible. We began clearing the snow and reached the ravine. Under three meters of snow in the ravine, following a trail of spruce branches, we found a platform made of branches and spruce branches with some clothes on it. There were no people. We began digging down the stream. On the second day, we found the body of a man, positioned (as if crawling) upstream toward the platform"

Comment: As i am thinking about it I am imagining a children's toy called an ant farm. It is a sealed vertical container for dirt and ants sandwiched between two plates of thinly separated pieces of glass. The top surface of the model is the beginning and end of this debris trail. On the side view, I imagine a downward diagonal excavation dug by the R4 group to the place the mat was made upon the stream bed. Then I also can  imagine a vertically excavated hole in the snow, achieving the same result. If it were me wanting to hide from the elements, I would waste no time and dig straight down. What guarantee would I have of ending beside and not on the stream? Where did the mound of excavated snow go?

Was this trail of branches deliberately laid upon the snow, or was it incidental waste? The fact that it is referred to as a trail leads me to think the Mansi and others thought it an intentional marker.  I am doubtful since the term trail does not have to imply design. I believe pine needles and twigs were shed when the branches were dragged. The trail was an artifact . But what gave any of them a clue as to where to excavate a snow den?

Since the rescuers found the mat before finding the hikers, could the found R4 bodies be at the end of some tunnel excavation? It only seems reasonable if they did not wish to climb out of a 10 foot deep hole every time.So, instead of making steps, they made a tunnel. It may also be the case that they never intended to climb out the same way they got in. A tunnel would then be necessary.

To dig out such a lengthy snow tunnel did they do a bucket brigade of passing snow to each other and ejecting the spoil out of the top entrance? It makes me wonder how deep the snow was when they actually created the mat. There were no tell tale mounds of snow at the ravine to give searchers an additional reason to search the ravine.

Between making a tunnel in the snow or using the same energy to make a place to start a fire, which makes better sense?  Fires must be fed. To do so means repeated trips for wood. That would be a grizzly prospect if they had to pass the Yuris to fetch wood. On the other hand, once the energy was spent excavating the ravine, cold would set in if the R4 just stopped and sat.

If not for the bits of cloth found on the mat, I'd argue that the  was all coincidental.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by SURI on June 21, 2026, 12:15:53 AM »
I ask myself, is it just a coincidence that they were photographed in pairs like this? I don't think so. Dubinina with her hands up, Thibeaux with his leg bent, Zolotaryov with his arm bent and raised, and according to the radiogram, Kolevatov in an embracing position. This most likely means they weren't buried and suffocated by snow, especially considering Thibeaux could have survived for up to two hours after his injury. I think the photographs reveal a great deal.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by GlennM on June 20, 2026, 08:57:26 PM »
They do not look like case file photos and they look retouched. Certainly nothing for anyone to laugh about then or now.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by SURI on June 20, 2026, 04:32:00 PM »
I noticed a laughing Yudin a long time ago....

If I were addressing the ravine and what came next, I would look directly to these photographs. They are a better clue than the snow itself.





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General Discussion / Re: Does this explain the "Why" of it?
« Last post by GlennM on June 20, 2026, 11:12:34 AM »
Go find your own food for thought. I get it.
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General Discussion / Re: Does this explain the "Why" of it?
« Last post by SURI on June 20, 2026, 09:16:08 AM »
I don't need to write a book. When I read various publications, I can see that the truth has been known for a long time. For instance, the 1963 letter already mentioned. It probably annoys you that you haven't discovered it yet. So, go for it! Nobody gave me any advice either.
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General Discussion / Re: Nothing goes there
« Last post by GlennM on June 20, 2026, 08:13:39 AM »
If someone is tasked to do a job and does it, reward, not punishment is the predictable outcome. In the DPI, as a matter of record, there were punishments doled out for mismanagement. Also, because the recovery efforts were delayed on 1079, the opportunity to obfuscate the scene was wasted. There was no decompositional evidence to makemit into the record suggesting the corpses were twice thawed. Looked at another way, there was time to let the snow melt to find the missing hikers because there was nothing to hide.

The R4  bodies are a mystery to me. I can not imagine them looking that way from a blast or a fall, if they were digging out of a collapsed cave they wouldn't appear to be nappjng. It seems to me that their postures reflect fatigue and a desire for sleep, but they should all curl up or paradoxically undress. I could imagine they may have been rolled away from the mat by natural forces while the bodies were pliable. No evidence of a fire in the ravine either.

My one main reservation with a blast theory is that it was selective. My problem with a tree fall theory is that the bodies do not look like they were tended to, compared to the Yuris.My problem with the cave theory is I can not figure (considering the mat) whether they excavated down to the creek from a snow bank to create their mat, or tunnelled  along the creek into a long cave and building the mat at the far end. If the co structed cave collapsed, then Lyude, especially was facing the wrong way unless she was trying to dig ojt her friends.

If Ziljoe repsonds to your post, I will certainly understand skipping over this post.
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