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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes
« Last post by GlennM on May 21, 2026, 07:16:50 PM »Not to mention that you can not collect payment for damages from Nature.
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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
« Last post by GlennM on May 21, 2026, 07:06:27 PM »What I get out of this is on the one hand a group of army type people come out and see lights in the sky and then go back to sleep.Some guy with a gun gets to take a shot at it. Nothing comes from the effort. On the other hand nine hikers see the light, knife their tent to ribbons, stroll a mile in the snow and one by one die.
If there was a bit of cultural commonality in the 50's.Both Soviet East and the American West had a " thing" for aerial phenomena. Other than the big nuke, this may also tie into the literary genre of science fiction. Science Fiction tends to fall into two camps, Social Science Fiction and Travelogues. The former being political, the latter, escapism. In Social Science Fiction the devices and the LGM are symbolic elements, usually a veiled criticism of politics, governments and power drunk leadership. Lights in the sky? Invasion? Big Brother? Alien contact? Mind control? It is symptomatic of societies developing far faater than any before. Uncertainty breeds fear, fear finds an outlet in fiction, people read the fiction and filter reality through it.
We are smarter than that in today's world. Not all of us though. It still sells tickets.
If there was a bit of cultural commonality in the 50's.Both Soviet East and the American West had a " thing" for aerial phenomena. Other than the big nuke, this may also tie into the literary genre of science fiction. Science Fiction tends to fall into two camps, Social Science Fiction and Travelogues. The former being political, the latter, escapism. In Social Science Fiction the devices and the LGM are symbolic elements, usually a veiled criticism of politics, governments and power drunk leadership. Lights in the sky? Invasion? Big Brother? Alien contact? Mind control? It is symptomatic of societies developing far faater than any before. Uncertainty breeds fear, fear finds an outlet in fiction, people read the fiction and filter reality through it.
We are smarter than that in today's world. Not all of us though. It still sells tickets.
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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on May 21, 2026, 02:32:28 AM »The answers are expected ones. If Askinadzi had known anything about fireballs and frightened soldiers, he would have told that already.
Askinadzi tends to map Kuzminov's story about fireball to March 31, when Sogrin, Potapov, and Avenburg saw a fireball's flight. I doubt very much that Kuzminov talks about that event. From his letter it is clear that he was not at the Pass with the 1st shift of Ivdellag soldiers. He refers to another soldier, Borey, when he talks about March events, which means he did not witness those events -- arrived to the Pass later.
The point is that helicopter's pilot Potyazhenko and his wife, who worked as a radio operator in Ivdel airport at that time, both separate two episodes with fireballs. They say that the episode described by Kuzminov occured later than Sogrin's episode, probably on 23rd or 24th of April. Three people talking about a fireball appearance later than March is enough to take it seriously.
Askinadzi tends to map Kuzminov's story about fireball to March 31, when Sogrin, Potapov, and Avenburg saw a fireball's flight. I doubt very much that Kuzminov talks about that event. From his letter it is clear that he was not at the Pass with the 1st shift of Ivdellag soldiers. He refers to another soldier, Borey, when he talks about March events, which means he did not witness those events -- arrived to the Pass later.
The point is that helicopter's pilot Potyazhenko and his wife, who worked as a radio operator in Ivdel airport at that time, both separate two episodes with fireballs. They say that the episode described by Kuzminov occured later than Sogrin's episode, probably on 23rd or 24th of April. Three people talking about a fireball appearance later than March is enough to take it seriously.
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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
« Last post by Teddy on May 21, 2026, 01:17:07 AM »Kuzminov was a commander of the Ivdellag soldiers, who came for the 2nd search shift. He says he had a pistol, and fired it at the order of the camp's head (Ortuykov?). At first sight, it looks like a fake story, but there is another witness, who confirms that the soldiers saw a fireball approaching them and fled out of the tent. It is very strange that UPI students do not mention that incident. Maybe, Askinadzi has heard something? He had been in touch with Kuzminov for about 10 days at the Pass.
https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-100-questions#55
https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-100-questions#56
https://dyatlovpass.com/kuzminov-1999
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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
« Last post by GlennM on May 19, 2026, 09:16:49 PM »In 1949, the Soviet Union developed a preliminary design for a missile submarine under the designation Project P-2 [pl], intended to strike land targets.[6] The design was developed by CKB-18 (later the Rubin Design Bureau). The submarine was projected to have a surface displacement of nearly 5,400 tons and to carry 12 R-1 missiles (Soviet versions of the V-2) and Lastochka cruise missiles.[7] However, the program encountered numerous issues that the designers could not overcome,[3] including, among others, problems with stabilizing the missile prior to launch.[8] In the early phase of developing sea-to-land missile systems, the Soviet Union regarded this kind of weapon solely as a tactical asset without strategic significance.[3]
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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 19, 2026, 10:53:52 AM »Unfortunately the lessons for any choice of location of a tent or a route are always susceptible to the weather and conditions . What might be good one day , week or year maybe the wrong location at a different time. History of hiking or tourism in the soviet union is littered with deaths and accidents, some were avalanches. There are a number of less known accidents that just didn't hit the main media. Likewise, every country has had similar accidents by highly qualified hikers or mountaineers.
The chosen location at the ravine is ultimately the only choice , they weren't in a position to choice the ideal penthouses. The clocks ticking and you need to reduce heat loss asap . A logical solution is to build a den with walls and a roof. He didn't invent an air wave or high speed crash, they are just examples. The autopsy is in line with compression more than a blast or car crash.
The chosen location at the ravine is ultimately the only choice , they weren't in a position to choice the ideal penthouses. The clocks ticking and you need to reduce heat loss asap . A logical solution is to build a den with walls and a roof. He didn't invent an air wave or high speed crash, they are just examples. The autopsy is in line with compression more than a blast or car crash.
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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on May 19, 2026, 09:41:06 AM »the ravine lends it's self to the incident of rib fractures and the autopsy findings.So, the lesson with choosing bad location for the tent was not learnt... The next location for the camp, the ravine, provided even worse snow threat. Are we talking about experienced hikers, masters of sport, or about school boys and girls, who do not know how to camp safely? How could Vozrozhdenniy oversee such obvious thing as bodies' compression by snow? He stood together with Ivanov and Tempalov on the ravine's bank in May 1959. Why did he invent air wave and automobile at speed, when the 'killer' (snow) was at his legs?
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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi
« Last post by Teddy on May 19, 2026, 09:30:19 AM »The 1st Ivdellag shift was headed by Potapov, and included famous Suynikaev and Klimenko.
https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2007
https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2008
https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2009
https://dyatlovpass.com/klimenko-2009
https://dyatlovpass.com/syunikaev-2021
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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes
« Last post by Ziljoe on May 19, 2026, 09:22:18 AM »The most likey cause is the snow above them.So, what is the logic of the event? The hikers inside the tent were attacked by a snow slab, which cracked their bones, and then they marched 1.5 km downhill to RIP in the ravine? Or the slab just frightened the hikers, they found better location in the ravine, where they immediately digged a tunnel in the snow and thus created even stronger offender than the slab?
Some sort of snow build up at the tent is the most likely cause for leaving in my opinion.
However, the ravine lends it's self to the incident of rib fractures and the autopsy findings. . We know the ravine can be empty to full depending on the year. . Restricted breathing and compression causes the foaming blood amongst a number of findings.
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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes
« Last post by Senior Maldonado on May 19, 2026, 09:08:45 AM »The most likey cause is the snow above them.So, what is the logic of the event? The hikers inside the tent were attacked by a snow slab, which cracked their bones, and then they marched 1.5 km downhill to RIP in the ravine? Or the slab just frightened the hikers, they found better location in the ravine, where they immediately digged a tunnel in the snow and thus created even stronger offender than the slab?