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Cannot evacuate "in other way" ... I forgot to mention it !


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"Dyatlov died as the result of hypothermia/freezing [...] He died a violent death, an accident."
Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-120-126?rbid=17743

How, then, can we attach any importance to fanciful autopsies? Died of hypothermia / Died of violent death (accident)  !!!

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"in the breats pocket 4 pills Streptocide (anti-inflammatory agent used for wound infection) still in the blister"

Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/death?flp=1#Doroshenko

An antibiotic from Dyatlov's first-aid kit ! No harmful side effects, but that proves they were using its contents ! Let's see what was in that kit :

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Pyramidone 0.3 X 20
Streptocide 0.5 X 20


Source: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-199-208?lid=1&flp=1#203

Pyramidon(e) = Aminophenazone

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irritability / anxiety / central nervous system stimulation / mental disturbances etc ...
its production and use have been banned in many countries






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General Discussion / Re: Petition to reopen the case
« Last post by Hunter on August 06, 2026, 11:22:05 AM »
GlennM, I'd rather become a lieutenant general than have a criminal investigation started again.
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General Discussion / Re: Regarding the photos from the camera found on Zolotaryov
« Last post by Ziljoe on August 06, 2026, 10:15:10 AM »



So you keep your camera around your neck even inside the tent—while eating, setting up the tent stakes, and so on... ??? That's what I understood. When I used to go camping, I'd put my camera away before going about my occupations, only taking it out when I needed it.

To expand. If the incident happened whilst the hikers were in the tent, drugs, UFO, wolverine etc. it would not be out of the realms of possibility for people to be doing different tasks. Zolo could have been drying his camera , changing the film etc. others could have been changing socks, eating, looking at the maps , discussing the evening paper. It's not an all or nothing situation. So you have put your camera away , but at some point you had to put it away.

It doesn't lead us to a time of day for when the incident occurred. The stove for example might be yet to be installed or it had been used over night but dismantled. Both options are possible. There little that we can conclude .
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General Discussion / Re: Petition to reopen the case
« Last post by GlennM on August 06, 2026, 07:06:18 AM »
If the case is to be reopened, let's trust it is for the right reasons.
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The argument and counter argument are well said. This is an example of working backwards from result to cause. I compare it to looking at ripples in a pool and supposing what coin was dropped in on the other side.

The next phase of this argument would be to source the drug. Was it freely given or purchased? Recall what Lyuda did with the trip funds. Remember the lack of train tickets. Remember how the group secured overnight lodging. If not bought, then given? Who was the pusher? Zolo would be a likely candidate because he is always the likely candidate. If he pushed pills and they were rejected, would this not be reflected in a diary? If the pills were obtained on the black market, how can we reconcile this with the idealism of tourism? Then again perhaps doing things all natural was not a thing in the 50's as it seems to be now. Finally, if the group were lab rats for the military, it stands to reason that testing soldiers would be far easier to monitor than remote hikers.

So, if the hikers were high on crank, those tissue samples gain in importance, yes?
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Amphetamins = Retention, bladder neck CLOSURE, it's fully documented, it's the quite opposite.
Hypothermia = Cold diuresis prior terminal phase (nearby coma) : you wet yourself cause you cannot evacuate excess fluid like the ones in Sweden in 1978 and many others, in terminal phase : no more kidneys activity no more fluid production !

LOL ;-)

I'm not sure if you understand the difference. Needing to urinate but not being able to use your hands to access your zip is not the same as uncontrolled bladder function. I'm sorry but I do not understand your context when you say " you wet yourself because you cannot evacuated excess fluid like the ones in Sweden. " It doesn't make sense when the victims of hypothermia have excces urine found in their bladder.


 [3]. Conversely, we have observed that a number of
hypothermic death cases presented the following three character-
istic findings
: (1) lack of increase in concentration of lung fields,
(2) blood clotting in the heart, thoracic aorta or pulmonary artery,
and (3) urine retention in the bladder. The CT’s diagnostic perfor-
mance for hypothermic death was evaluated according to these
three findings.



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General Discussion / Re: Petition to reopen the case
« Last post by Hunter on August 05, 2026, 11:55:03 PM »
No one will reinvestigate. Kuryakov supposedly did. And everyone who wants a new investigation, answer this question: what evidence remains intact to this day?
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Regarding Soviet athletes using chemicals. The question is: were athletes from other countries able to perform without any chemicals? Also, it's worth remembering that stimulants like pervitin have been around for a long time. And finally, does the author of this thread know how drug trials are conducted?
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Amphetamins = Retention, bladder neck CLOSURE, it's fully documented, it's the quite opposite.
Hypothermia = Cold diuresis prior terminal phase (nearby coma) : you wet yourself cause you cannot evacuate excess fluid like the ones in Sweden in 1978 and many others, in terminal phase : no more kidneys activity no more fluid production !

LOL ;-)

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I fully disagree with that :

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The Retained Fluid: Any urine produced after that locking mechanism occurs is trapped

In cases of severe and prolonged hypothermia, particularly during the coma phase:

Metabolism slows down drastically—the body reduces its functions to a minimum
Renal blood flow decreases—less blood to the kidneys, resulting in less filtration
Urine production becomes minimal or stops completely

Therefore, a body in terminal hypothermia following prolonged exposure to the cold would not experience significant bladder distension. On the contrary, the bladder would remain mostly empty or only slightly filled.

the others were not !


You’re applying standard shock physiology correctly — in most causes of death, kidney perfusion collapses, metabolism slows, and urine production stops. 
But fatal hypothermia does not follow the same timeline. It has a unique cold‑induced sequence that produces the opposite bladder outcome.

This is why forensic pathology treats urine retention as a classic marker of hypothermic death. AI assisted.

Here’s the actual physiological timeline:

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1. Early Hypothermia: Massive Cold Diuresis (the bladder fills)
Before anyone reaches the coma phase, they pass through mild and moderate hypothermia. 
During these stages:

- peripheral vasoconstriction forces blood into the core 
- central blood pressure spikes 
- kidneys respond by over‑filtering 
- urine production increases sharply

This is textbook cold diuresis.

The bladder fills long before kidney function slows.

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2. Late Hypothermia: Sphincter Lock (the fluid becomes trapped)
Once core temperature drops below ~30–28°C:

- consciousness fades 
- coordination collapses 
- voluntary voiding becomes impossible 
- the internal urinary sphincter contracts involuntarily 
- the bladder cannot empty

You’re right that filtration slows in terminal hypothermia — 
but by that point the bladder is already full.

This is why hypothermia victims die with retained urine, not empty bladders.

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3. Forensic Evidence: Hypothermia Deaths Retain More Urine
A forensic CT study of 24 hypothermia deaths found:

- average bladder volume: 206.9 ml 
- maximum: 582.56 ml 
- hypothermia victims retained significantly more urine than non‑hypothermia deaths (p = 0.0011)

This directly contradicts your claim that hypothermia “minimizes urine production.”

Cold diuresis + immobility = retention.

This is not theory — it’s measured forensic data.

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4. Dyatlov Autopsies Fit Hypothermia Perfectly
The Dyatlov bladder volumes fall inside documented hypothermia ranges:

- 1000 ml 
- 500 ml 
- 300 ml 
- 100 ml 

These are normal for prolonged cold exposure + immobility. 
They are not pathological. 
They do not indicate stimulant collapse.

If this were amphetamine intoxication, you would expect:

- involuntary urination 
- wet clothing 
- empty bladder 
- loss of sphincter tone 

None of the Dyatlov hikers show this.

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5. Your stimulant mechanism contradicts itself
Amphetamine collapse causes:

- sudden unconsciousness 
- sphincter relaxation 
- bladder release 
- bowel release

You cannot have stimulant‑induced bowel release without bladder release. 
Physiology doesn’t work that way.

The Dyatlov hikers show:

- no urination 
- full bladders 
- preserved sphincter tone

This is incompatible with stimulant intoxication.

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6. “Some were intoxicated before hypothermia” has no evidence
There is:

- no toxicology 
- no witness testimony 
- no behavioural signs 
- no medical signs 
- no forensic signs 
- no pharmacological basis 

It’s an unsupported premise
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