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General Discussion / Re: 2 Chinese lanterns

« Last post by bongyi on October 19, 2026, 03:22:15 AM »

No more people can be validly identified from the pictures!
What is the exact path of these two images? Where do they appear first?  Why can't we know this?

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General Discussion / Re: Was it a macabre game?

« Last post by SURI on October 19, 2026, 03:06:25 AM »

Ivanov's words are not just empty talk. He points out in them that the hikers did not freeze to death and that the real cause of death was hidden, which also corresponds to the unpublished forensic results for the first five dead bodies.

Maybe if you started trusting him as well, you would be closer to the truth.

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General Discussion / Re: Hands and feet

« Last post by bongyi on October 19, 2026, 03:05:33 AM »

We have to talk about limited calorie intake on the mountainside, while compared to the previous ones, the weather conditions are drastically deteriorating and in order to resist them, hikers should consume significantly more calories!  The energy obtained from the calories consumed is used to resist the cold.  It will be significantly colder than before, and under these conditions the team will start to starve and thirst (another important factor)! And this is how Gyatlov wants to go for Otorten? What exactly do you want? Seems like a very bad decision! This risks not only the success of the tour, but also illness! Everything would be given at the forest, they can cook, set up a tent normally and heat it!

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by Ziljoe on October 18, 2026, 11:33:12 PM »

I believe these are the exact instructions that Dyatlov and the group followed. This is following later instruction manual from mid 70s .

"A serious emergency situation: a group gets lost in bad weather, loses their skis, and descends to the edge of the forest. The forest, with its ability to start a fire, offers salvation to the struggling tourist group. The leader or experienced hikers must quell panic and motivate the group to take action (after all, hunters and taiga dwellers spend the night in the forest without tents in winter). Therefore, they should head deeper into the forest to find a lull from the wind. The strongest go ahead to dig a trench in the snow. An exhausted comrade should not be left to rest (they won't survive); everyone must stick together. Having chosen a site for an emergency camp with plenty of dead wood, the group decides where to start a fire. If an axe and saw are unavailable, a spot with plenty of thin deadwood or large trees with dry lower branches that can be broken off by hand is chosen. Two or three people gather firewood for the night, while the rest dig a hole to the ground. Snow from the pit is carried up in backpacks and windbreakers, the bottom of the pit is lined with spruce branches, the top is partially covered with branches, and then a fire is lit. The group warms up and settles down for the night.

If the snow cover is shallow or the ground is open, the chosen spot under large trees is cleared of snow to the ground, a shelter or windbreak is built, firewood is stored for the night, and a fire is lit. Everyone warms up and dries their clothes. Dinner is prepared. If there is no bucket, water for tea is boiled in mugs or tin cans. In the morning, when the weather improves, the group follows their tracks upward, above the tree line, determines their location, and reaches the abandoned skis. If bad weather persists, depending on specific conditions and available information, they make their way to the hunter's road or ski track, which they use to reach the hut, etc".

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by Ziljoe on October 18, 2026, 10:54:27 PM »

The recommendations of suitable locations to build a snow cave . From the manuals for tourists.

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General Discussion / Re: Hands and feet

« Last post by Ziljoe on October 18, 2026, 10:41:12 PM »

From the state manual . The rusks are dried to remove moisture , the pork loin is selected because of the high calories in the fat. The quarter master prepares the food in an orderly fashion and distributes the food.Everyoune has a task and everyone follows a routine . After consumption , all products would be put away . The food that is found open or scattered in the tent is the food recommended to be consumed in a cold camp. Every other hike in winter informs us of this also in written documented reports.

It is another detail that I doubt someone would bother to stage . Food is either being made ready for everyone to eat in the tent or for the days journey ahead.

1. The Rule on "Cold Bivouacs" (Организация холодных ночевок):

«При организации холодных ночевок в безлесной зоне, во избежание тяжелых обморожений и порчи зубов, категорически запрещается употребление замерзших влажных продуктов. Все продукты должны быть максимально обезвожены. Свежий хлеб заменяется сухарями.»

Translation: "When organizing cold bivouacs in treeless zones, to prevent severe frostbite and dental damage, the consumption of frozen, moist products is strictly prohibited. All provisions must be maximally dehydrated. Fresh bread is to be replaced by dried rusks [sukhari]."


2. The Rule on Consuming Fats in the Cold (Питание в зимнем походе):

«Высококалорийные жиры (сало, корейка) на морозе замерзают до твердости камня. Продукты такого рода необходимо предварительно нарезать острым ножом на тонкие ломтики (пластины), чтобы они таяли во рту от тепла языка, не требуя разжевывания.»

Translation: "High-calorie fats (salo, pork loin) freeze to stone-hardness in winter conditions. Provisions of this nature must be pre-sliced with a sharp knife into thin wafers (strips) so they melt in the mouth from the warmth of the tongue, requiring no forceful chewing."

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General Discussion / Re: 2 Chinese lanterns

« Last post by Hunter on October 18, 2026, 08:23:47 PM »

A couple more Dyatlov group members were identified there. And if we assume that this photo is from a different expedition, how did it end up in the search engine's archive?

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General Discussion / Re: Hands and feet

« Last post by bongyi on October 18, 2026, 07:44:29 PM »

In the absence of local knowledge and practice, it is not possible to make a valid statement.  But frozen biscuits and cold water are certainly not enough food to endure the cold and climb Otorten. Especially not in combination with the first night without a heating in -40 degrees!  And especially not when they completely tired themselves out on the 31st!

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General Discussion / Re: Hands and feet

« Last post by GlennM on October 18, 2026, 05:31:57 PM »

I believe them because of the preponderance of individuals who at the time were involved. I suppose every one of them asked the seminal question," why did they leave the tent?" No one can prove weather because it is transient and time hard passed. No one can prove conspiracy owing to lack of physical evidence. Nobody can prove any other of the numerous ideas.

I do not place a great deal of credence in unsubstantiated claims made decades after the incident, one of many such incidents, that the author knows the truth. We have forum members who believe in cryptic messages, high and low complexity conspiracy and cover ups and so forth. As Ziljoe wisely pointed out, it reveals more about the person who posts than the content being posted.

I think it was weather and bad timing that ended their lives.

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General Discussion / Re: Was it a macabre game?

« Last post by GlennM on October 18, 2026, 05:22:23 PM »

Making a killing in personal appearances, endorsements and publications?