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Today at 02:41:10 PM
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Ziljoe


@senior. I don't think that chart is comparable . There's lots of details missing in the autopsies from a blast wave. The rib fractures are consistent with a compression not a blast?.
 

Today at 03:24:45 PM
Reply #61
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Ziljoe


Minute‑by‑Minute Reconstruction of the Ravine Four (Plausible Sequence Based on Avalanche Medicine & Autopsy Evidence)

Below is a medically realistic timeline of what likely happened to the ravine four after a snow‑den or cornice collapse. 
It’s not speculation about “mystery forces” — it’s simply what the injuries and physiology point to.

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0–1 minutes: The collapse
- A section of the snow roof or cornice gives way. 
- Heavy blocks of snow/ice fall into the den or ravine. 
- One block or edge strikes Thibeaux‑Brignolle’s head → single massive skull fracture. 
- Others land on the upper bodies of Dubinina, Zolotaryov, and Kolevatov → initial inward‑bending rib fractures. 
- They are not fully buried; air pockets remain.

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1–5 minutes: Pinned but alive
- They are conscious, shocked, and trying to orient themselves. 
- Breathing is already restricted because the chest wall is compressed. 
- The heart is still pumping strongly → bleeding begins immediately around the fractures. 
- No external abrasions because the load is snow, not a hard impact surface.

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5–15 minutes: Hypoxia and hypothermia accelerate
- Snow settles and compacts, increasing chest pressure. 
- Breathing becomes shallow and laboured. 
- Oxygen levels fall → hypoxia. 
- They were already cold; now immobilised in snow, heat loss accelerates. 
- Core temperature drops into the low 30s°C. 
- Clotting begins to fail → cold‑induced coagulopathy starts.

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15–30 minutes: The “lethal triad” sets in
- Breathing is severely restricted; chest expansion is minimal. 
- Consciousness fades in and out. 
- Physiology deteriorates into the trauma “lethal triad”: 
  - hypothermia 
  - acidosis (from low oxygen) 
  - coagulopathy (clotting failure) 
- Internal bleeding becomes massive because the body can no longer clot. 
- This is when the autopsy‑level haemorrhage is being created.

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30–60 minutes: Irreversible decline
- Breathing becomes agonal or stops entirely. 
- They are unconscious or unresponsive. 
- The heart continues beating weakly for part of this window → 
  enough to keep pumping blood into damaged tissues, explaining the extensive haemorrhage. 
- Death occurs from a combination of: 
  - asphyxia (chest cannot expand) 
  - hypothermia 
  - internal bleeding

This is not instant suffocation — it is a slow, multi‑factor decline.

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1–3 hours after death: Post‑mortem settling
- Bodies remain pinned in the same compressed positions. 
- Snow continues to settle and compact around them. 
- Over the following weeks, more snow falls, compresses, and gradually lowers them into the stream channel.

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February → May: Freeze–thaw and meltwater
- Meltwater eventually begins to flow around and under the bodies. 
- Soft tissue (eyes, mouth, etc.) is lost post‑mortem due to water action and small scavengers. 
- By the time searchers arrive in May, the ravine has opened up and the bodies appear to be “in the stream bed” — 
  but this is the result of months of settling and melt, not their original position on 1 February.

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Why this timeline fits the evidence
- Inward rib fractures → slow compression, not blast or fall. 
- Massive internal bleeding → they were alive long enough to bleed. 
- No external trauma → snow load, not impact or shrapnel. 
- Skull fracture → single blunt impact from a falling block, not a pressure wave. 
- Final position in the stream bed → natural settling + meltwater, not an impact onto bare rock. 
- Cold‑induced coagulopathy → explains why the injuries look “severe” without requiring extreme force.
 

Today at 06:18:54 PM
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GlennM


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