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General Discussion / Re: Clothes
« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on Today at 06:51:12 AM »
GlennM, yes there is some fact finding as it will be a lot quicker having your guys feedback as some of you have been here for years.
Just to embellish some of your statements, I think there wasnt a flexible arrangement for heavy duties as I have read that Dubinina had been shot in the foot and that the group had lightened her load by sharing some of it. So if Zina escaped the tent weight as well, then there wasnt entire flexibility.
Just stating facts as they could have bearing for others theories.
Regarding the clothing worn by the two who stepped out of the tent first (we think ). Obviously they would have been warmer and it would have been a case of following someone to the loo like ladies do or they had a quick smoke or something else.
What has me baffled (besides everything) is the state of undress of the others. On nights like this wouldnt they just keep all their gear on to keep warm as there was not supposed to be having Igors famous stove to keep warm. Does one think that the clothes worn on exit were an assortment whether the footprints attest to this or not, and that maybe all mixed clothing was done at the Cedar "area". I have heard mention of the "chinese" torches but think i saw somewhere 2 off miners lamps,could have been a simple mix up in the dark. But again the Search party were supposed to have found the tent quite neat and orderly. I'm soooooooooooo confused.
I am thinking of going back to my original idea of arguments and Igor cracking it, and just slashing the tent as some sort of weird fateful experiment for their unsuccessful level 3 achievement.

From what I understand it wasn't that cold at first. They described the air as warm and loud like from a jet engine. When studying the temperatures that day and night there was a MASSIVE temperature inversion that night that probably caught them off guard. It might even have happened after they left the tent, hence why they were so underdressed in some cases.
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General Discussion / Re: Clothes
« Last post by ahabmyth on Today at 05:28:40 AM »
GlennM, yes there is some fact finding as it will be a lot quicker having your guys feedback as some of you have been here for years.
Just to embellish some of your statements, I think there wasnt a flexible arrangement for heavy duties as I have read that Dubinina had been shot in the foot and that the group had lightened her load by sharing some of it. So if Zina escaped the tent weight as well, then there wasnt entire flexibility.
Just stating facts as they could have bearing for others theories.
Regarding the clothing worn by the two who stepped out of the tent first (we think ). Obviously they would have been warmer and it would have been a case of following someone to the loo like ladies do or they had a quick smoke or something else.
What has me baffled (besides everything) is the state of undress of the others. On nights like this wouldnt they just keep all their gear on to keep warm as there was not supposed to be having Igors famous stove to keep warm. Does one think that the clothes worn on exit were an assortment whether the footprints attest to this or not, and that maybe all mixed clothing was done at the Cedar "area". I have heard mention of the "chinese" torches but think i saw somewhere 2 off miners lamps,could have been a simple mix up in the dark. But again the Search party were supposed to have found the tent quite neat and orderly. I'm soooooooooooo confused.
I am thinking of going back to my original idea of arguments and Igor cracking it, and just slashing the tent as some sort of weird fateful experiment for their unsuccessful level 3 achievement.
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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory
« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on Today at 03:30:00 AM »
An early camp

The group would have set up camp between 14:00 and 16:00 on the slope of Kholat Syakhl on the 1st of February 1959. Photographs taken by the group that day show strong winds and poor visibility, the group was slightly off-course, this theory suggests the group decided to setup an early camp, perhaps with the intention of correcting their course the following day.

Maps of the campsite locations also show the group had covered less distance than on previous days — partially due to the increasing steepness of the ground and poor weather, but also due to the decision to set up an early camp.
Wood gathering mission

The scarcity of wood was mentioned in the group diaries, stating that what could be found on the ground was too damp to be of use. Though some firewood was found by researchers in the tent, the exact quantity is not mentioned, though it is mentioned that the wood would have been carried by the hikers from their previous camp — thus emphasizing its scarcity.

This theory proposes Zolotarev and Tibo either were selected or volunteered to search the nearby woods for suitable firewood for the cold night ahead. With perhaps an hour of remaining daylight and the nearby woods being too much of a good opportunity.

Some theories acknowledge both Zolotarev and Tibo were outside at the time of the tragedy, on account of their being suitably dressed for outside conditions, with most suggesting the duo had either stepped out to go to toilet or were perhaps on night duty. However, spending several hours outside on night duty, in sub-zero temperatures in a remote area far from civilization seems a most unlikely possibility. A toilet outing is equally unlikely — the tent entrance had been buttoned up, a task that is time consuming and arduous in sub-zero temperatures, it is highly unlikely they would have unbuttoned the entrance, buttoned it all up again, then return to repeat the process just a couple of minutes later. Zolotarev had his camera around his neck and a notebook in his pocket, this suggest neither a quick exit nor being aroused from sleep in an emergency. Rather this suggests the duo had stepped out with a purpose, most likely with some remaining daylight, and intended to be away for a significant period of time.

Remnants of a meal were also found in the tent, after setting up camp and a quick meal, the duo set off to the nearby woods.

The cedar

It was at the cedar tree that tragedy first struck. Tibo’s injury to his head would have left him unresponsive but showing signs of life for up to two hours, as per autopsy report. It is also noteworthy that Tibo showed none of the other types of superficial injuries common with the rest of the group . i.e. scrapes and minor bruises to hands — as he did not participate in the events that followed. This theory suggests Tibo climbed the cedar in search of dry branches, fell and suffered his head injury.

A call for help

Zolotarev returned to the tent, calling for help. Some slashes found on the tent are suggestive of someone having made them in order to peek outside, as the hikers might have done upon hearing shouts. Once the hikers understood that there was an emergency, they slashed the tent and rushed out to help. The hikers had not all yet begun to prepare for the night and were thus at different levels of undress. Doroshenko, who already had a reputation of confronting danger head on, rushed out severely underdressed for the conditions. Others, like Kolevatov, threw on some additional layers, but all ran out without shoes. The hikers may have underestimated how cold it was (the previous day’s diary entry reported warm wind) and how long they would be gone. As it was already getting dark a torch was left in the ON position on top of the tent, some hikers took torches with them.

The few remaining footprints show an orderly exit from the tent. The 1959 reports describe 8–9 sets of tracks with no limping or carrying, contradicting immediate severe injuries (e.g., rib fractures, skull fracture) from snow impact.

Group Dynamics and Outcome

At the cedar tree, the group found Tibo critically injured. The group prioritized Tibo’s rescue, splitting tasks: better-dressed members (Den group: Zolotarev, Dubinina, Kolevatov) began a snow shelter in a nearby ravine, while underdressed members (Cedar group: Dyatlov, Doroshenko, others) focused on looking after Tibo, fire-building and gathering wood for the construction of the shelter. Cedar group’s abrasions, per autopsies, suggest cedar tree climbing for wood.

Cedar group succumbed to hypothermia amid worsening weather. Den group, attempting to transport Tibo to the ravine shelter, fell 3 meters on a steep, snowy slope, causing fatal injuries to Zolotarev and Dubinina (crushed ribs, internal trauma). Kolevatov, the last survivor, shared body heat with Zolotarev until dying of hypothermia.

Analysis of Injuries
Autopsy Findings

Cedar group showed minor injuries: Dyatlov’s bruised knuckles, hand cut, and ankle marks (suggesting restraint); Doroshenko’s bloody lip and chest bruising; and left-side facial injuries on others, consistent with right-handed blows. These minor injuries suggest a possible physical altercation, per forensic literature.

Alternative Explanations

The minor injuries could stem from climbing the cedar tree (abrasions) or falls on ice, but the pattern of knuckle bruising, bloody lips, and facial trauma suggests a possible interpersonal conflict. Tree-climbing typically causes diffuse abrasions, not localized knuckle or lip injuries, and ice falls lack the specificity of right-handed blow patterns. The absence of non-hiker footprints (1959 reports) rules out external attackers, indicating any conflict was internal, confined to Cedar group.

Potential Conflict Triggers

If a conflict occurred, extreme stress may have triggered it. Yuri Krivonishenko’s early death from hypothermia, as autopsies suggest, could have sparked grief and panic. Psychological studies show that extreme cold, grief, and perceived poor planning (e.g., camping on the slope) can provoke aggression. The absence of knives (2024 expedition reports), despite cut branches, suggests they were discarded during this event.

Anomalies

Low-level radiation on Krivonishenko’s clothing align with his involvement in a clean up operation a couple of years prior.

Dubinina’s missing tongue is consistent with wildlife scavenging or accelerated decay due to her being found in a stream of water. Perhaps she bit off her own tongue in the fall that killed her.

Fireball reports likely reflect distant military tests unrelated to the tragedy.

Really appreciate this write-up because you didn’t bury it under a hundred layers of speculation. It’s refreshing to see someone lay out a chain of events without immediately defaulting to KGB ghosts or UFOs. I agree with you that the internal conflict angle makes more sense than most people want to admit. Like you pointed out, the injuries and the priorities at the cedar are more human than conspiratorial.

One part I keep circling back to is the orderly footprints. If Zolo had rushed back calling for help, and everyone tore out in a panic, you’d expect a real mess of tracks, maybe some dragging or clustering. Instead, those first prints show a calm single file. And why would he leave Tibo? Also, that last clear shoed footprint at the tent edge suggests someone stepped out deliberately, probably to see what the shouting was about. It doesn’t feel like everyone rushed out together in a blind sprint.

I’ve made similar arguments about the group dynamics before; there was already tension about camping on that slope. Zolo was older, sure, but not ancient; he was a fit, resourceful guy trying to finish a certification, not some KGB phantom. If anything, I’d trust him over Igor to keep a level head. Ivanov gets a bad rap too. People call him a sensationalist, but he never tried to cash in (until the 90's) or spin a big western drama; he was just trying to do his job with the info he had.

Also, I respect that you kept this readable without throwing in non-sequiturs about radiation or the odd fireball reports. People who don’t have the time or the means to dig into the archives sometimes get defensive and act like any simple solution must be naive. I think you struck a good balance here.

Thanks for posting this. It’s good to see an explanation that doesn’t try to reinvent the wheel just to sound exotic.  thumb1
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General Discussion / Wood Expedition Theory
« Last post by ZuriDog on June 29, 2025, 09:49:35 PM »
An early camp

The group would have set up camp between 14:00 and 16:00 on the slope of Kholat Syakhl on the 1st of February 1959. Photographs taken by the group that day show strong winds and poor visibility, the group was slightly off-course, this theory suggests the group decided to setup an early camp, perhaps with the intention of correcting their course the following day.

Maps of the campsite locations also show the group had covered less distance than on previous days — partially due to the increasing steepness of the ground and poor weather, but also due to the decision to set up an early camp.
Wood gathering mission

The scarcity of wood was mentioned in the group diaries, stating that what could be found on the ground was too damp to be of use. Though some firewood was found by researchers in the tent, the exact quantity is not mentioned, though it is mentioned that the wood would have been carried by the hikers from their previous camp — thus emphasizing its scarcity.

This theory proposes Zolotarev and Tibo either were selected or volunteered to search the nearby woods for suitable firewood for the cold night ahead. With perhaps an hour of remaining daylight and the nearby woods being too much of a good opportunity.

Some theories acknowledge both Zolotarev and Tibo were outside at the time of the tragedy, on account of their being suitably dressed for outside conditions, with most suggesting the duo had either stepped out to go to toilet or were perhaps on night duty. However, spending several hours outside on night duty, in sub-zero temperatures in a remote area far from civilization seems a most unlikely possibility. A toilet outing is equally unlikely — the tent entrance had been buttoned up, a task that is time consuming and arduous in sub-zero temperatures, it is highly unlikely they would have unbuttoned the entrance, buttoned it all up again, then return to repeat the process just a couple of minutes later. Zolotarev had his camera around his neck and a notebook in his pocket, this suggest neither a quick exit nor being aroused from sleep in an emergency. Rather this suggests the duo had stepped out with a purpose, most likely with some remaining daylight, and intended to be away for a significant period of time.

Remnants of a meal were also found in the tent, after setting up camp and a quick meal, the duo set off to the nearby woods.

The cedar

It was at the cedar tree that tragedy first struck. Tibo’s injury to his head would have left him unresponsive but showing signs of life for up to two hours, as per autopsy report. It is also noteworthy that Tibo showed none of the other types of superficial injuries common with the rest of the group . i.e. scrapes and minor bruises to hands — as he did not participate in the events that followed. This theory suggests Tibo climbed the cedar in search of dry branches, fell and suffered his head injury.

A call for help

Zolotarev returned to the tent, calling for help. Some slashes found on the tent are suggestive of someone having made them in order to peek outside, as the hikers might have done upon hearing shouts. Once the hikers understood that there was an emergency, they slashed the tent and rushed out to help. The hikers had not all yet begun to prepare for the night and were thus at different levels of undress. Doroshenko, who already had a reputation of confronting danger head on, rushed out severely underdressed for the conditions. Others, like Kolevatov, threw on some additional layers, but all ran out without shoes. The hikers may have underestimated how cold it was (the previous day’s diary entry reported warm wind) and how long they would be gone. As it was already getting dark a torch was left in the ON position on top of the tent, some hikers took torches with them.

The few remaining footprints show an orderly exit from the tent. The 1959 reports describe 8–9 sets of tracks with no limping or carrying, contradicting immediate severe injuries (e.g., rib fractures, skull fracture) from snow impact.

Group Dynamics and Outcome

At the cedar tree, the group found Tibo critically injured. The group prioritized Tibo’s rescue, splitting tasks: better-dressed members (Den group: Zolotarev, Dubinina, Kolevatov) began a snow shelter in a nearby ravine, while underdressed members (Cedar group: Dyatlov, Doroshenko, others) focused on looking after Tibo, fire-building and gathering wood for the construction of the shelter. Cedar group’s abrasions, per autopsies, suggest cedar tree climbing for wood.

Cedar group succumbed to hypothermia amid worsening weather. Den group, attempting to transport Tibo to the ravine shelter, fell 3 meters on a steep, snowy slope, causing fatal injuries to Zolotarev and Dubinina (crushed ribs, internal trauma). Kolevatov, the last survivor, shared body heat with Zolotarev until dying of hypothermia.

Analysis of Injuries
Autopsy Findings

Cedar group showed minor injuries: Dyatlov’s bruised knuckles, hand cut, and ankle marks (suggesting restraint); Doroshenko’s bloody lip and chest bruising; and left-side facial injuries on others, consistent with right-handed blows. These minor injuries suggest a possible physical altercation, per forensic literature.

Alternative Explanations

The minor injuries could stem from climbing the cedar tree (abrasions) or falls on ice, but the pattern of knuckle bruising, bloody lips, and facial trauma suggests a possible interpersonal conflict. Tree-climbing typically causes diffuse abrasions, not localized knuckle or lip injuries, and ice falls lack the specificity of right-handed blow patterns. The absence of non-hiker footprints (1959 reports) rules out external attackers, indicating any conflict was internal, confined to Cedar group.

Potential Conflict Triggers

If a conflict occurred, extreme stress may have triggered it. Yuri Krivonishenko’s early death from hypothermia, as autopsies suggest, could have sparked grief and panic. Psychological studies show that extreme cold, grief, and perceived poor planning (e.g., camping on the slope) can provoke aggression. The absence of knives (2024 expedition reports), despite cut branches, suggests they were discarded during this event.

Anomalies

Low-level radiation on Krivonishenko’s clothing align with his involvement in a clean up operation a couple of years prior.

Dubinina’s missing tongue is consistent with wildlife scavenging or accelerated decay due to her being found in a stream of water. Perhaps she bit off her own tongue in the fall that killed her.

Fireball reports likely reflect distant military tests unrelated to the tragedy.
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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"
« Last post by ahabmyth on June 29, 2025, 08:31:08 PM »
Ok thanks GlennM. That is what I have realised. I have already talked to Amishlu about this and the Iffy posting of pics so will see what he can do. On my way down to 'the cedar" with my chainsaw at the moment.
NB I am pretty sure I have seen "and" used a delete button somewhere. (I will make a fuss if I find it).
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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"
« Last post by GlennM on June 29, 2025, 08:18:18 PM »
Ahabmyth, you can modify your post by deleting everything in it except for a period. Then save.
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General Discussion / Re: Book "1079"
« Last post by ahabmyth on June 29, 2025, 08:05:24 PM »
Hey Berty if you find a button or otherwise where you can delete posts like this please let me know -i had been a relatively new member and have been a bit confused by this web-pages format.
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General Discussion / Questions asked before
« Last post by amashilu on June 29, 2025, 12:49:06 PM »
All,

A few times over the last month, I have read posts here and there where the author gently chides another poster because “this has been discussed before.” 

It is perfectly fine to discuss a facet of the DPI that has been discussed before. Many mysteries have been solved by starting over, going over the same ground again and again. No forum member need be intimidated into not asking something because it has been asked before.

This is not directed at any one forum member, just a general note for all.

Amashilu
Moderator
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General Discussion / Re: Clothes
« Last post by GlennM on June 29, 2025, 10:57:30 AM »
Ahabmyth, I am supposing this is just fact finding for you, which is OK. It must be taken for granted that the marching order and load carrying duties were flexible.  If, on the other hand, your interest in this aspect of the hike is leading to some particular insight, I hope you meet with success. A novel thought process might open a new door.
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General Discussion / Re: Clothes
« Last post by ahabmyth on June 29, 2025, 07:15:46 AM »
I always "ass"umed this was Igor carrying the tent. Must be thin gloves/mitts.
I also surmised that it was Dub behind Igor because of the lighter clothes but could be wrong as her feet are covered.
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