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General Discussion / Re: Cover-up

« Last post by Osi on Today at 12:48:50 PM »

At a time when the Khrushchev thaw was being implemented with concrete initiatives, there was a fierce opposition against the stretching of the Stalinist legacy. The failure to find the last four individuals, in particular, and the lack of a plausible explanation for the tragedy's cause, must have served as an opportunity to accuse the government of erosion, embarrassment, and incompetence, based on the deaths of nine young people. Could a simple case of radioactive contamination have been exaggerated by opposition experts? It seems understandable that a tragedy that actually occurred due to a chain reaction of natural causes, the lack of reliable reporting, the lack of modern resources (TV, internet, etc.), and the government's inability to control events due to the distance between Yukaterinburg and Moscow, led to a plausible cover-up, or rather, steps to cover up the incident without delving into it too much.

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General Discussion / Re: So I asked AI about the topic...

« Last post by brightyellow on Today at 08:53:19 AM »

The injuries at the ravine were also not caused by snow-fall, none of the hikers died of suffocation, if they had been buried by enough snow to crush ribs, you'd expect at least one of them to have suffocated. Zolotarev was alive for up to an hour, Tibo - three to four hours.

Yes! That is actually a very good counterargument.

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Religious Connections / Analogy with the Torah and Moses

« Last post by Axelrod on July 11, 2025, 04:01:13 PM »

The case with the Dyatlov group is very mysterious and has a mythical coloring. But it is not unique in history. You will always find a similar case in the sequence 1234 and 5, it is like the height of Mount Otorten or the moment of the explosion in Chernobyl (01:23:45).
And this is the Torah (the Pentateuch of Moses), Book 2 (Exodus), Chapter 3, paragraphs 4-5.
God called to Moses from the burning bush, calling him to lead the people of Israel out of Egypt to the Promised Land (to Palestine, to Asia).
 

Photo from the Dyatlov Pass, (c) Teodora Hadjiyska.

1) One day Moses drove the flock to the western part of the desert and came to the mountain of the true God.



2) There, in a thorny bush engulfed in flames, an angel of God appeared to him. Moses saw that the bush was burning, but not consumed.

3) He thought: "I'll go look at this strange phenomenon. Why is the bush not burned up?



4) And God saw that he had come near, and God called to him from the midst of the burning bush, and said, "Moses! Moses!" He (Moses) said, "Here I am!"



5) And God said to him, "Do not come near here! Take off your shoes from your feet, since the place where you are standing is holy ground."

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General Discussion / Re: So I asked AI about the topic...

« Last post by ZuriDog on July 11, 2025, 02:32:29 PM »

I think AI favors avalanche because it is the generally accepted version.
BUT
None of the search party, who were experienced hikers, nor the investigators - and most importantly , nor the Mansi who knew the area and would be very familiar with the terrain - not one of saw any signs of an avalanche or snow-slide. In none of the telegrams sent is there any mention of the possibility of an avalanche.
The hikers were not injured at the tent, that is evidenced by the footprints, no one is being carried, helped, no one using a support, no one even limping.

The injuries at the ravine were also not caused by snow-fall, none of the hikers died of suffocation, if they had been buried by enough snow to crush ribs, you'd expect at least one of them to have suffocated. Zolotarev was alive for up to an hour, Tibo - three to four hours.

So this snow-slide at the slope, if it even happened, was not significant enough to abandon the tent.
The hikers that were found heading back towards the tent - they were trying to return to safety, not to a buried tent.

This is why I think something made them temporarily leave the tent, but not abandon it.
Their state of dress, the fact that they took very little with them - indicates they responded to an event, and would return to the tent as soon as possible.

In my theory, this event is Tibo's injury when he fell from the cedar tree while gathering wood with Zolotarev.

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General Discussion / Re: Wood Expedition Theory

« Last post by ahabmyth on July 11, 2025, 07:32:48 AM »

All is revealed in The Cedars.

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General Discussion / Re: Cover-up

« Last post by Ziljoe on July 11, 2025, 05:49:53 AM »

In case Ive not been clear , the concept of the cover up was because of all the talk of rockets , the name of the silo being used , Ivanovs balls in the sky and radiation.

It is not because there were silo base's or rockets but because all of the talk about them. If the silo's already had their secret names of rivers and were on documents preplanning their development . It would perhaps be enough to file the case away and talk no more about it .

 To understand this , we must conceptualise what was going on in the world at that time , that is nuclear war and political movement.  Parts of America and the Europe were pro communism . It is 14 years after WWII, everyone will remember how awful it was. The Kremlin has two things to keep secret , the missile testing and links to silo's and rocket development.

Another reason and it is very simple, I don't know how much the parents got told but there is a long draft of paper work blaming the sports committee and those involved in protecting the students, there is a long list of failures . I don't know if the parents could make claims against the state .

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General Discussion / Re: Cover-up

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on July 11, 2025, 05:39:25 AM »

I did a post two weeks ago with a theory. https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1858.0

I read that post, OJ-72, and you do explain why a cover-up would be important if the deaths resulted from a fight between members of the group. In this current thread, I don’t want to start from any one theory such as that and explain why a cover-up would be necessary, but start from the necessity for a cover-up and work backwards to a theory.

That's exactly what I did. You'll find that all theories have been postulated at one point, so there's really nothing new.

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General Discussion / Re: Cover-up

« Last post by amashilu on July 11, 2025, 04:04:45 AM »

I did a post two weeks ago with a theory. https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1858.0

I read that post, OJ-72, and you do explain why a cover-up would be important if the deaths resulted from a fight between members of the group. In this current thread, I don’t want to start from any one theory such as that and explain why a cover-up would be necessary, but start from the necessity for a cover-up and work backwards to a theory.

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General Discussion / Re: An Argument For (Pro) A Fight

« Last post by ahabmyth on July 11, 2025, 04:03:33 AM »

Thinks  Old Jedi 72 and others are correct with the assumption that there was a fight/altercation . But may have missed adding to the list  "keeping warm". An idea that maybe some discussions under the Cedar deliberately ended with a fight between Igor, Rustem, and even Zina throwing a punch to warm themselves up. Notice how these were the three that were found supposedly heading for the tent, with Zina having most strength left and the two boys following with their fists clenched. All three showing injuries that match a fist fight. Whether or not these three could also having more strength, agreed to abandon the rest of the party and save themselves maybe by making a final run for the tent.

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General Discussion / Re: An Argument For (Pro) A Fight

« Last post by ahabmyth on July 10, 2025, 09:19:10 PM »

Thinks you Old Jedi 72 and others are correct with the assumption that there was a fight/altercation . But you may have missed another scenario and that is to "keeping warm". An idea that maybe some discussions under the Cedar ended with a fight between Igor, Rustem, and even Zina throwing a punch. Notice how these were the three that were found supposedly heading for the tent, with Zina having most strength left and the two boys following with their fists clenched. All three showing injuries that match a fist fight.
Maybe it went a bit further than a warm up fight to something full blown.